Windows 11

[mwidjaya]

I'm betting if a device can run 10 then it'll run 11 when it's released. Not going to sweat it.

They may walk it back. Not sure, seems this time MS is being hard-ass about it.

I am betting on "workarounds" being developed by the community. Just like there are patchers to allow unsupported Macs to run latest macOS.

Massive number of consumer Win10 users will be impacted CPU cutoff (8th gen and above only).

 

[TopherMan12]

They may walk it back. Not sure, seems this time MS is being hard-ass about it.

I am betting on "workarounds" being developed by the community. Just like there are patchers to allow unsupported Macs to run latest macOS.

Massive number of consumer Win10 users will be impacted CPU cutoff (8th gen and above only).

I'm still confused why they would even announce these requirements if they were not going to enforce them. If they are then they are just creating needless confusion.

 

[nickdalzell1]

I just installed the leak on my gaming rig, and everything works quite nicely. I love the new UI myself. Also noticed that Cortana is finally gone! About darned time!

It did attempt to say 'Windows 11 isn't going to run on this PC' without any reason (bug in the installer?) and after some searching (I know it's compatible since it's only a year old!!!) I had to go into the BIOS and enable AMD ftpm or something. It was disabled out the gate. After that it worked, did an upgrade, activated successfully, and none of my apps, including the odd 32-bit app such as Portal 2 and Undertale, were broken.

If there is one complaint it's the same one I had with Windows 10--there ain't no 'auto dark mode'. You have to manually go to settings and a few steps to switch it. You'd think by now they'd at least try to compete with Apple on this!

 

[AutomaticApple]

There are reports of people installing the leaked version on 6th gen Intel CPU so it's to be seen if it's a recommendation rather than hard set requirement.

The leaked build was before the requirements were set in stone (and most people virtualized it anyway).

And upgrade? Is this the first Windows version where the only option to get Windows 11 has been blatantly stated to 'buy a new PC'?

Over and over again I keep reading the 'buy a new PC' over and over again. Buy a new computer, buy a new notebook, buy a new tablet, buy, buy, buy and be happy. Buy more. Buy often. Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy.

Because the upgrade process hasn't been finalized...

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If your computer supports TPM 2.0, secure boot, 4GB of RAM, Intel 8th generation CPU or the AMD equivalent, etc... it should be able to update to Windows 11.

Also there are things such as Micro-G, an open-source Play Services alternative to make apps that outright refuse to work run, and YouTube Vanced, a Google-free implementation of YouTube. Custom ROM and root users have been aware of this for quite some time.

Or just sideload the Google Play Store APK and the Google Play Services APK like you can on an Amazon Kindle device.

It seems possible that they will be allowing free upgrades for Windows 10 users.

But I was surprised that so many people were commenting on bugs on during their presentation. I didn't notice any. *shrug*

Weird that I got 10 for free, and might end up with 11 for free too? Hmm...

Yes, Windows 10 users will receive the update for free.

I'm waiting for the people to start complaining about the notification about the 'free' upgrade to Windows 11 like it was with Windows 10 for Windows Vista/7 users.

But that aside, technically Windows has been 'free' since Windows 7. Gaming PC builders I always asked how the price for building was cheaper since you had to pay $199 for Windows which would offset a pre-built system, then they let me in on how you can use Windows unactivated today, just with some personalization caveats. It won't render itself unbootable after 30 days the way XP did.

It puts an annoying watermark on the bottom right of your screen that'll persist until you activate Windows.

Or, maybe just hard and soft floors. Wouldn't make sense for Microsoft to have restrictions to reduce Windows marketshare. I'm betting if a device can run 10 then it'll run 11 when it's released. Not going to sweat it.

https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-11-cpu-compatibility-amd-intel/

Microsoft says that their requirements are hard floors.

Ok, so I am running Win 11 on an iMac, with my keyboard (Logitech K375s) set in Mac mode.
I accidentally pressed CMD-W to close a window, and the News Widget pops up.
So, what are the critically important news items it displays?

• Why the Pentagon is investigating UFOs
• Paris Hilton shouts "Free Britney
• These smiling animals will brighten your day
• 4 easy tips to take better selfies...

I don't think I will be outsourcing my news reading to a computer

Apple News showed me something similar.

They may walk it back. Not sure, seems this time MS is being hard-ass about it.

I am betting on "workarounds" being developed by the community. Just like there are patchers to allow unsupported Macs to run latest macOS.

Massive number of consumer Win10 users will be impacted CPU cutoff (8th gen and above only).

Massive? By how much? We really don't know the specifics...

Most average consumers cannot be bothered to use workarounds, so there's that.

I'm still confused why they would even announce these requirements if they were not going to enforce them. If they are then they are just creating needless confusion.

It is definitely a hard floor requirement.

I just installed the leak on my gaming rig, and everything works quite nicely. I love the new UI myself. Also noticed that Cortana is finally gone! About darned time!

Cortana is gone from the taskbar, but you can still invoke her VIA the app.

Cortana - Free download and install on Windows | Microsoft Store

Cortana in Windows as a standalone app is deprecated. Cortana, your personal productivity assistant, helps you stay on top of what matters and save time finding what you need. Simply type or speak requests in natural language to connect with people, manage your schedule, find a free hour, set a...

www.microsoft.com

 

[nickdalzell1]

Well she seems to have completely vanished from my system. I had this huge problem with her invoking herself at just the sound of an A/C unit kicking on (seriously!) or during gameplay. I wanted to have voice wake on like Hey Siri on my Mac but the implentation was extremely sub-par. I still had that reminder of her on Windows 10 even after disabling as much as I could. Compared to even Bixby she's utterly useless as anything short of a glorified Spotlight search--she can't even change screen brightness!

Now I just got to wait for Avast! to get updated to have rounded corners. As far as my non-belief in updates, I make an exception for Microsoft lately since they seem to be bringing all the depth back while everyone else still thinks flat UI is king.

 

[AutomaticApple]

Well she seems to have completely vanished from my system. I had this huge problem with her invoking herself at just the sound of an A/C unit kicking on (seriously!) or during gameplay. I wanted to have voice wake on like Hey Siri on my Mac but the implentation was extremely sub-par. I still had that reminder of her on Windows 10 even after disabling as much as I could. Compared to even Bixby she's utterly useless as anything short of a glorified Spotlight search--she can't even change screen brightness!

Now I just got to wait for Avast! to get updated to have rounded corners.

Microsoft is slowly killing her.

She was the best voice assistant in 2014.

 

[nickdalzell1]

She wasn't even that good then! For a short while I had a Nokia Lumia 520, it was a very nice phone, and Windows Phone OS was quite excellent. I enjoyed it while I could, and when it got the update to 10, I tried Cortana. It was like Google Now was in 2012. Couldn't toggle Wifi on/off, or Bluetooth on/off, or control smart home devices at all. It barely opened apps. It had issues understanding a ton. It was a glorified Bing search since that's what it ended up doing half the time!

Even S-Voice in 2012 could do all those things except smart home devices. I'm not surprised Microsoft has started getting rid of Cortana. I saw that coming when the Harmon speaker was discontinued.

For me voice control is convenient when my hands are full, or whenever I don't want my screen covered all over with nasty fingerprints. For that, Bixby on my S20 FE is excellent. It can do pretty much anything by voice. Something I clamored for back in 2012. S-Voice did a lot, but Bixby does far more. I'm probably one of few who actually prefer it over Google Assistant (although when I'm home, Assistant does far better with smart home and audio/video stuff)

 

[diamond.g]

I think a lot of folk are falling in the yellow bar when installing the "current" build of 11.

Preparing for Insider Preview Builds of Windows 11

UPDATE 6/28 at 12:30pm PDT: See this blog post on an update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements. Today, we unveiled Windows 11 to the world, and we know Windows Insiders are super excited to get th

blogs.windows.com

Also noting they are dropping tablet mode, which is kind of a shame. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications

 

[maflynn]

Also noting they are dropping tablet mode, which is kind of a shame.

Tbh, I hated tablet mode, it usually just messed up what I was trying to do, whether I was using a Surface Book or Surface Pro. I for one am happy that they're introducing something a bit more streamlined and integrated

 

[sracer]

Tbh, I hated tablet mode, it usually just messed up what I was trying to do, whether I was using a Surface Book or Surface Pro. I for one am happy that they're introducing something a bit more streamlined and integrated

I agree. But the sparse, touch-friendly UI remains as an ugly (IMO) remnant of its Metro UI past.

 

[nickdalzell1]

Tablet Mode was just their way to bring the Windows 8 UI back to those 6 people who actually liked it.

 

[iHorseHead]

 

[diamond.g]

Tablet Mode was just their way to bring the Windows 8 UI back to those 6 people who actually liked it.

With a detachable keyboard (Surface Pro line) it was alright. Def would recommend turning off the auto switching though.

 

[AutomaticApple]

I enjoyed it while I could, and when it got the update to 10, I tried Cortana.

Cortana was much better in Windows Phone 8.1, trust me. I don't know what Windows 10 Mobile did to her... 😓

Also, tablet mode was a terrible substitute for the Metro interface. Nothing can beat Windows 8.

 

[raqball]

Tablet Mode was just their way to bring the Windows 8 UI back to those 6 people who actually liked it.

I think all 6 of them have since been committed to mental institutions.. LOL

 

[AutomaticApple]

I think all 6 of them have since been committed to mental institutions.. LOL

Oh, come on! At the time, Microsoft was practically on par with Apple in terms of its ecosystem!

 

[raqball]

Oh, come on! At the time, Microsoft was practically on par with Apple in terms of its ecosystem!

I absolutely loved Windows Phones. Hands down my favorite phone ever was the Nokia Lumina Icon (also known as the 929). Windows 8 on PC? Not so much..

Vista and 8 gave many a bad impression of the OS that they still use today to bash it. Windows 10 has been absolutely stellar..

 

[AutomaticApple]

Windows 10 has been absolutely stellar..

What about Windows 11 Mobile?

Also, the Nokia Lumia Icon was the best!

 

[skaertus]

What about Windows 11 Mobile?

Also, the Nokia Lumia Icon was the best!
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My sister had a Windows Phone and it had a great interface. It was innovative and interesting, different from what other systems offered. Unfortunately, it met a crowded market and was unable to compete with iOS and Android.

 

[AutomaticApple]

My sister had a Windows Phone and it had a great interface. It was innovative and interesting, different from what other systems offered. Unfortunately, it met a crowded market and was unable to compete with iOS and Android.

It truly is unfortunate, isn't it?

 

[raqball]

My sister had a Windows Phone and it had a great interface. It was innovative and interesting, different from what other systems offered. Unfortunately, it met a crowded market and was unable to compete with iOS and Android.

The lack of apps and the quality of the apps that were available in the store were partially to blame..

Also, I went into a carrier store to buy the Lumia 830 when it came out and the rep was clueless what it even was. She went and asked a coworker then later came back with the phone. While she was setting it up (I told her not to bother but I guess it was policy) she said " I can see why nobody buys these' and made several other disparaging remarks right in front of me...

This was a corporate store (not an affiliate) and they had zero Windows phones on display either..

I think there were several reasons why it failed but store app availability and the quality of the apps that were in the store played a major factor in my opinion..

I personally think it was one of the best OS's for a phone and I wish MS would have put more effort into sales, marketing, and training of carrier employees..

 

[AutomaticApple]

The lack of apps and the quality of the apps that were available in the store were partially to blame..

Also, I went into a carrier store to buy the Lumia 830 when it came out and the rep was clueless what it even was. She went and asked a coworker then later came back with the phone. While she was setting it up (I told her not to bother but I guess it was policy) she said " I can see why nobody buys these' and made several other disparaging remarks right in front of me...

This was a corporate store (not an affiliate) and they had zero Windows phones on display either..

I think there were several reasons why it failed but store app availability and the quality of the apps that were in the store played a major factor in my opinion..

I personally think it was one of the best OS's for a phone and I wish MS would have put more effort into sales, marketing, and training of carrier employees..

My heart is broken.

I think the large amount of budget Windows Phone devices also didn't help. While the colorful polycarbonate shells were cool and all, they gave off a cheap look.

Verizon had a bunch of Samsung ATIV Odysseys on clearance as soon as they came out. I didn't even know about Windows Phone until then. I had bought one for my now deceased grandmother because of the large tiles that were easy to tap on. She only really used it for texting and calls. It wasn't even updatable to Windows Phone 8.1 (although that might've been a good thing).

I wish I had treated Windows Phone better and given it a chance during that time when it was in its prime.

 

[DaveFromCampbelltown]

Well, this is a weird thing.
I have Windows 10 installed under Bootcamp.
I have a copy of Windows 11 installed via WinToUSB on a USB 3 Flash drive.
Both are connected to the same Outlook email account.
Now, when I boot into Win10 Bootcamp, after booting up, the task bar icons (except for Start and Search) are center-aligned.

 

[Serban55]

Very strange that their own surface studio 2 will not support win11
Can wait for the arm win11 to try it

 

[maflynn]

I think the large amount of budget Windows Phone devices also didn't help.

I had a windows phone for a while, and I followed it for much of its life span. I don't think there was one single factor that caused its failure but there were a number of decisions that certainly doomed it.

Lack of direction/philosphy from MS. They changed directions on who the phone is for a couple of times. They flooded the market with cheap/budget phones. The naming convention was confusing as anything I think they should have started off slow with only one phone model, and worked to improve that, then maybe introduce a different tiered phone, and just let the market grow organically.

I also think buying nokia was a waste of resources, why not contract with them to design the phone. Another option could have been partnering with BlackBerry, using their business connections to develop a phone for the enterprise and go on from there. Of course that's just water over the bridge now

I think the interface was revolutionary and was something that I enjoyed but what worked on the phone form factor did not work on the PC. That's where windows 8 failed, and with Windows 11, it seems much of the metro interface is all but gone

Very strange that their own surface studio 2 will not support win11

That's just not right