Windows 11

[Kung gu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1408587013205409793

VERY disappointing. I am disgusted at this. MS only officially supports 8th gen intel and above.

If Apple said only 2018+ Macs get macOS Monterey there would an outrage.

The funny thing is 2013 Mac Pro, 2014 Mac mini and 2015 MBP/MBA/iMac will get macOS 12 later this year.

 

[Kung gu]

And it doesn't matter. For consumers, Microsoft will support Windows 10 until 2025 anyway.

And after 2025 I am forced to get a NEW computer because MS stops supporting Windows 10 with security updates
and I cannot get Windows 11 officially.

I have a i5 4460 GTX 750 ti PC and it can't get Windows 11 just because of some stupid requirements.

My PC is more than capable for running Windows 11, but I guess Microsoft wants people to new Intel and AMD PCs leading to more e-waste.

 

[Kung gu]

Installation without TPM 2.0.

https://winaero.com/how-to-install-windows-11-without-tpm-2-0/

No, this will likely break when Windows 11 has updates. Officially you need TPM 2.0, so there is a chance that Windows updates might break windows if you don't have TPM 2.0. Otherwise why mandate TPM.

 

[nathansz]

No, this will likely break when Windows 11 has updates. Officially you need TPM 2.0, so there is a chance that Windows updates might break windows if you don't have TPM 2.0. Otherwise why mandate TPM.

maybe you would need to do the same process to update?

in my experience I needed to enable tpm and secure boot in order to install, then once the installation was complete I disabled both and it boots and runs fine

edit: to be fair I'm not really windows savvy and rarely use it so I don't know how windows updates work

 

[iHorseHead]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1408587013205409793

VERY disappointing. I am disgusted at this. MS only officially supports 8th gen intel and above.

If Apple said only 2018+ Macs get macOS Monterey there would an outrage.

The funny thing is 2013 Mac Pro, 2014 Mac mini and 2015 MBP/MBA/iMac will get macOS 12 later this year.

Windows 11 requirements

Hardware requirements to deploy Windows 11.

docs.microsoft.com

Windows 11 isn't even out yet. I mean calm down. Also, Apple has dropped the support for my computer when it was only 4 years old (Leopard - Lion) and back then my childhood PC could easily run Windows 7 and even Windows 10.

 

[nathansz]

Just a thought on the Windows Health Checkup.
I have a copy of Win10 running under Parallels. I downloaded, installed and ran the app. It said I couldn't run Windows 11.
However, I already have a copy of Win 11 running under Parallels. It just installed as normal.
At this stage, I wouldn't put much faith in the accuracy of this test. I would think that the only way to know if it will run on your computer is to suck it and see.*

Ok, so I have just brought up Win 11 under Parallels.
I go to install the Windows PC Health Check program that I just downloaded from the Microsoft Website. It says --
We can't verify who created this file. Are you sure you want to run this file?
How paranoid is MS, when it doesn't even know who Microsoft is?

Ok, I installed and ran it.
I got this result --

View attachment 1797909

Surely there should be a check when the app first runs that says "Am I already on Windows 11? If so, don't say it can't run Windows 11"


*No, not the computer. This is an Aussie expression that simply means "to try it".

running on bare metal not vm

it seems that it simply checks if tpm is currently enabled?

I did have to enable it to install, but then immediately disabled it and it boots and runs fine

 

[Kung gu]

Windows 11 isn't even out yet.

umm, by that logic macOS 12 is not out yet so does that mean 2014 MBP will get it later?


Microsoft already set out the requirements for PCs that will run Windows 11. The fact that MS made this is baffling.
Yes I know Apple dropped the ball before but people act like only apple drops support for computer when clearly
Microsoft currently is stating that officially you need 8th gen CPU and TPU2.0 to get Windows 11.

 

[mdgm]

Apple never officially supported running Windows 10 on my mid-2011 iMacs and yet I've been running it for years. There may be workarounds to run Windows 11 on older machines, the question will be how well they work.

I'll probably have 1-2 years after Windows 11 is released before some of the key software I use drops support for Windows 10 (one of the software providers is very aggressive in dropping support for any OS that is not the latest).

 

[iHorseHead]

umm, by that logic macOS 12 is not out yet so does that mean 2014 MBP will get it later?


Microsoft already set out the requirements for PCs that will run Windows 11. The fact that MS made this is baffling.
Yes I know Apple dropped the ball before but people act like only apple drops support for computer when clearly
Microsoft currently is stating that officially you need 8th gen CPU and TPU2.0 to get Windows 11.

I love how everyone is bashing Apple and saying that Apple is better, but Apple has dropped my $1000 MacBook within 4 years and everyone were okay with it saying it's an old computer.
So here's what I'm gonna say: Those are old computers. Get another one. Why is it ok for Apple to do it and not for Microsoft?
People defend Apple too much. I remember I had to use dosdude1's patches and surprisingly Mavericks ran even better than Lion on that computer. I'm not kidding you.

Microsoft is not Apple. Also, who cares what Microsoft says? My Dell wasn't officially supported on Windows 10 and I just installed it with no issues. I had to do a clean install though.

Also, if you want then 2014 MacBook Pro will get macOS 12

macOS 12 Monterey on Unsupported Macs Thread

This thread will be dedicated to the discussion of running macOS 12.0 on unsupported Macs At the time of writing, WWDC has wrapped up and Developer Seeds have been sent out. We're eagerly awaiting for all our community developers and enthusiasts to test out the new version of macOS We will...

forums.macrumors.com

 

[ian87w]

And after 2025 I am forced to get a NEW computer because MS stops supporting Windows 10 with security updates
and I cannot get Windows 11 officially.

I have a i5 4460 GTX 750 ti PC and it can't get Windows 11 just because of some stupid requirements.

My PC is more than capable for running Windows 11, but I guess Microsoft wants people to new Intel and AMD PCs leading to more e-waste.

Sure it's more than capable. I'm guessing your PC is about 6 to 7 years old? It definitely breaks the typical extensive hardware support we are familiar with Windows. Unfortunate, definitely.

But of course we can still use Windows 10. It doesn't magically stop working. Plenty of people are still on Windows 7 today. There's also a new transition of Big.little cores for x86, that can be set as minimum requirement in the future. Then there's ARM lurking around the corner.

I get your frustration. I'm afraid it's the trend of consumer tech moving forward. Apple is simply way ahead of the curve, for better or worse. The same with soldered RAM and storage trend that I posted in a different thread. It seems that the software is becoming the "planned obsolescence" of our modern gadgets.

 

[iHorseHead]

Sure it's more than capable. I'm guessing your PC is about 6 to 7 years old? It definitely breaks the typical extensive hardware support we are familiar with Windows. Unfortunate, definitely.

But of course we can still use Windows 10. It doesn't magically stop working. Plenty of people are still on Windows 7 today. There's also a new transition of Big.little cores for x86, that can be set as minimum requirement in the future. Then there's ARM lurking around the corner.

I get your frustration. I'm afraid it's the trend of consumer tech moving forward. Apple is simply way ahead of the curve, for better or worse. The same with soldered RAM and storage trend that I posted in a different thread. It seems that the software is becoming the "planned obsolescence" of our modern gadgets.

There were even people complaining when Microsoft dropped the support for Windows XP.
I mean if there will be many users and most people won't upgrade then Windows 10 will likely be another Windows XP.

Also, it is likely that many people will switch to Mac or to Linux.

 

[mi7chy]

Well, that's a pretty convoluted work around.

Relatively it's not so bad compared to the shtshow of resetting/reinstalling Big Sur which took me all afternoon. The method to bypass TPM 2.0 by replacing appraiserres.dll then installing Windows 11 sounds like a 15 min job.

 

[Dewdman42]

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[Steve Adams]

I ran the MS PC Health app to find out whether Windows11 will run under Bootcamp on my MacPro 5,1.

Nope

View attachment 1797971

SecureBoot appears to be the issue, so I don't know if this is something that will eventually be hacked around with OpenCore or something....but there goes my evil plan to run Windows forever on my aging 5,1 after I buy an ARM Mac in the not too distant future.

Run 10 on it now, fully supported until 2025. IMO, longer. They will do the same as they did with 7. Keep updating it with security patches long after "support" has ended.

 

[mdgm]

The issue is that some software will drop support for it much sooner than Microsoft.

 

[maflynn]

will run under Bootcamp on my MacPro 5,1.

Yes, at this point Intel Macs will not be able to run windows 11, as they don't offer TPM 2.0

 

[Steve Adams]

The issue is that some software will drop support for it much sooner than Microsoft.

Being a mac site, this should not be new news. Ha ha. Mac's are famous for being paperweights much faster than windows boxes. I think everyone is over reacting at the moment. They gave the same type of thing out when 10 was released. However, I am running it on my 2007 acer 7720 with all updates right now and have no issues. I bet after 11 is released, I will be able to update that computer to 11.

 

[maflynn]

And after 2025 I am forced to get a NEW computer because MS stops supporting Windows 10 with security updates
and I cannot get Windows 11 officially.

How old is your computer?

Most people tend to buy computers every few years, so the windows 11 requirement isn't all that huge. You have 4 more years on windows 10, and its quite possible that MS may extend the deadline, as they've done with windows xp, and windows 7.

The situation is worse on a Mac - Apple seems more aggressive in dropping support of computers when rolling out a new OS and unlike MS they don't update legacy operating systems with security updates (AFAIK)

 

[iHorseHead]

and its quite possible that MS may extend the deadline

Pretty sure they will, but to be honest, I have $600 PC and it can run Windows 11. It's a year old, so nothing to worry about here.
I've had several Macs before, but my most shocking one was MacBook 4,1 when it couldn't run Mountain Lion. I was so sad and cursed Apple so much and went even to Apple Forums (Apple Discussions) and then it was okay for them. They were like: "Your MacBook is old. It's from 2008 and now it's 2012". I don't think it's fair to criticise Microsoft in dropping older PCs.
I used Lion till 2014 and then bought a used MacBook Pro just to receive security updates. Microsoft supports Windows way longer than Apple supports macOS versions. High Sierra is already out of support and actually this is the reason why I bought MacBook Air M1. We'll see how long it'll be supported.

I remember when Microsoft dropped the support for Windows XP, there were bunch of people criticising Microsoft as well.

 

[Steve Adams]

How old is your computer?

Most people tend to buy computers every few years, so the windows 11 requirement isn't all that huge. You have 4 more years on windows 10, and its quite possible that MS may extend the deadline, as they've done with windows xp, and windows 7.

The situation is worse on a Mac - Apple seems more aggressive in dropping support of computers when rolling out a new OS and unlike MS they don't update legacy operating systems with security updates (AFAIK)

You are correct. I had a 2007 acer and a 2007 MacBook. The acer I can still start, use current software and everything works. My 2007 MacBook is basically a paperweight at this point since no software works anymore, browsers are not supported and many webpages won't load because of the browser being not up to date. I think everyone is over reacting to Microsoft's announcement. As mentioned. the 2025 "deadline" will more than likely be pushed further. They even extended the support of windows 10 mobile beyond their initial "axing" of it. Once 11 comes out and the "newness" wears off it, I am going to try to update my 2007 acer and see what happens. I am betting that it's going to install and run fine. It' meets all the requirements besides the 8th generation processor, but it's a 2ghz 64bit processor, 4gb of ram and 120gb ssd plus 768gb HDD.

 

[Steve Adams]

I just went and looked at the amazon app store. A few apps stood out for me as I am a cable cord cutter. I can now use fireTV and Roku remotes on my computer while on 11. I like that. I used to use roku's app on windows 10 before they decommissioned it. It was great sitting on the sofa with my notebook, and being able to control the tv as well. Hopfully I can side load my senville AC app into windows as well. Oh, the possibilities.

 

[Kung gu]

How old is your computer?

Most people tend to buy computers every few years, so the windows 11 requirement isn't all that huge. You have 4 more years on windows 10, and its quite possible that MS may extend the deadline, as they've done with windows xp, and windows 7.

The situation is worse on a Mac - Apple seems more aggressive in dropping support of computers when rolling out a new OS and unlike MS they don't update legacy operating systems with security updates (AFAIK)

I brought my computer in 2015. I love my PC its more than capable for basic tasks and indie gaming since I have a GTX 750 Ti.

Apple does update legacy OS with Security updates see below.

Apple Releases iOS and iPadOS 12.5.4 Security Fix for Older iPhones and iPads

Apple today released new iOS and iPadOS 12.5.4 updates, with the new software aimed at older devices that are unable to run the iOS 14 update...

www.macrumors.com

Apple released iOS 12.5.4 for older iPhones and iPads which was a security update for iPhones for legacy OS.
This happened just this month on June 14.

 

[maflynn]

I brought my computer in 2015.

Well at the point of losing windows 10 support, you'll have a 10 year old computer. You'll have to decide whether you want to keep it and take a chance on not getting security updates, or buy a new computer. The argument of MS forcing you to buy a new computer is really not accurate. I think its safe to say the effective lifespan of a computer is well under 10 years and to expect to run the latest version of the operating system to run on a 10 year old computer is a bit unrealistic.

Apple released iOS 12.5.4 for older iPhones and iPads

When was the last time big sur was updated?

 

[ian87w]

Quite sums up some of my opinion on Windows 11.

 

[Steve Adams]

This need to turn everything into a Mac vs Windows pissing contest is absurd.

Agreed 100 percent. I kid most times. I don't like MacOS, but I don't care if someone else uses it.