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mi7chy

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If I haven't used Windows for a week, even if it is installed on a SSD, I have to wait for a couple of minutes for it to run through all its startup tests and update checks before I can open an application reasonably quickly.

Maybe you should figure out Active Hours which is listed in Windows Update menu instead of spreading outdated or misinformation. I have mine set for 6am to 11pm and it doesn't auto update on startup.
 
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diamond.g

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Mar 20, 2007
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For many like me it is a big deal. This is the advantage of an single ecosystem. My watch, phone, tablet and computer all feel like separate parts of a cohesive unit. That was never the case with my Samsung Note 20 Ultra, Galaxy Watch 3, and Windows PC. It is a lot of little things like Apple Watch unlocking my Mac or being able to approve multi-factor authentication requests or being able to easily use iPad as a second monitor. What I'm talking about isn't confined to an "app".

Not saying everyone would value these aspect like I do and that is fine, but how well it all works together is still impressive.



Microsoft and Nvidia's partnership may not allow that to happen. One can hope though. Seems silly to make people upgrade, even for free, just to get DirectStorage capabilities in games.
MS tried using D3D12 as the carrot to get folk to upgrade from 7 to 10.
 
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ivnj

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Dec 8, 2006
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I have tmp 2.0 and secure boot installed. I found out from another website only 8th gen works and I have 6th gen. Maybe that is it.
 

Steve Adams

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Both my systems are 11 approved. Updating on release day. Excited to move forward with new features
 

TopherMan12

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Oct 10, 2019
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The CPU requirements for Windows 11 are a bit strange. First gen Ryzen CPUs are not supported and nothing prior to 8th Gen Intel. There must be some specific tech missing in these CPUs that Windows 11 requires. Certainly isn't just a matter of cores and speed.

I got the health check to work and "approve" my pc simply because I had to enable AMD cpu fTPM.

View attachment 1797659

Exactly what I had to do.
 

robotica

macrumors 65816
Jul 10, 2007
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Apparently all those supported processors listed in those documents are for new build OEMs only and that it will run fine on much older processors. The whole situation is about as clear as mud right now as to what is supported and what is not. Officially or unofficially. The biggest concern I have is surrounding the TPM. I am sure we can install it without one on final release with a workaround, but with the amount of updates Microsoft pushes out, it would be living life too much on the edge. I prefer stability and security but also love cutting edge tech so I am in a bit of a bind. My motherboard does have a TPM header but the model has not been manufactured for about 4 years. I have emailed the gigabyte asking for more information and if they have any suggestions but I am sure they won’t. Maybe it’s time to bite the bullet and do a massive upgrade. System I have it rock solid though and is plenty fast for my use.
 

DaveFromCampbelltown

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Jun 24, 2020
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Maybe you should figure out Active Hours which is listed in Windows Update menu instead of spreading outdated or misinformation. I have mine set for 6am to 11pm and it doesn't auto update on startup.

I did look at Active Hours. It only controls when the OS will restart --
Set active hours to let us know when you typically use this device. We won't automatically restart your device during this time.

My problem is that when I start Windows after several days, it spends its first few minutes checking for updates, downloading them, checking those downloads with Windows Defender and installing them. That takes up CPU resources, Network bandwidth and Drive bandwidth. All Active Hours setting does is control when it will restart, not when it downloads and installs updates.

MacOS and Linux do a quick check for updates and then let you know they are available for download. You can then download and install them at your convenience.
 

thejadedmonkey

macrumors G3
May 28, 2005
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Robotica, most computers built in the past decade have a TPM chip. Intel calls it PTT, which may or may not be a part of the Trusted Computing Platform. AMD chips have fTPM built in. I was able to enable it in my first gen Ryzen, and I suspect many other can too.

The bigger issue is the uncertainty around older CPUs. My desktop is about 2 years old, it's insane that Windows 11 wouldn't support it when it comes out. And to upgrade will mean buying a 3rd gen Ryzen, which is already old tech, or a new motherboard that supports a 5th gen Ryzen processor. It's literally the cost of a new, low end PC, to upgrade my newish computer. I'm very annoyed, and hope that Microsoft can clean up their messaging soon.
 
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TopherMan12

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Oct 10, 2019
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Robotica, most computers built in the past decade have a TPM chip. Intel calls it PTT, which may or may not be a part of the Trusted Computing Platform. AMD chips have fTPM built in. I was able to enable it in my first gen Ryzen, and I suspect many other can too.

The bigger issue is the uncertainty around older CPUs. My desktop is about 2 years old, it's insane that Windows 11 wouldn't support it when it comes out. And to upgrade will mean buying a 3rd gen Ryzen, which is already old tech, or a new motherboard that supports a 5th gen Ryzen processor. It's literally the cost of a new, low end PC, to upgrade my newish computer. I'm very annoyed, and hope that Microsoft can clean up their messaging soon.

Not sure I'd call this"cleaning" their messaging, but.....


So basically if your CPU isn't on these lists, no Windows 11 until you upgrade your hardware.

Supported AMD CPUs

Supported Intel CPUs
 

ivnj

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Dec 8, 2006
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Robotica, most computers built in the past decade have a TPM chip. Intel calls it PTT, which may or may not be a part of the Trusted Computing Platform. AMD chips have fTPM built in. I was able to enable it in my first gen Ryzen, and I suspect many other can too.

The bigger issue is the uncertainty around older CPUs. My desktop is about 2 years old, it's insane that Windows 11 wouldn't support it when it comes out. And to upgrade will mean buying a 3rd gen Ryzen, which is already old tech, or a new motherboard that supports a 5th gen Ryzen processor. It's literally the cost of a new, low end PC, to upgrade my newish computer. I'm very annoyed, and hope that Microsoft can clean up their messaging soon.
my moms custom i52380p from 2013 has no tpm either. I can get the chip but not sure if it is compatible.

MSI H61M-E33

 

DaveFromCampbelltown

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Jun 24, 2020
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Just a thought on the Windows Health Checkup.
I have a copy of Win10 running under Parallels. I downloaded, installed and ran the app. It said I couldn't run Windows 11.
However, I already have a copy of Win 11 running under Parallels. It just installed as normal.
At this stage, I wouldn't put much faith in the accuracy of this test. I would think that the only way to know if it will run on your computer is to suck it and see.*

Ok, so I have just brought up Win 11 under Parallels.
I go to install the Windows PC Health Check program that I just downloaded from the Microsoft Website. It says --
We can't verify who created this file. Are you sure you want to run this file?
How paranoid is MS, when it doesn't even know who Microsoft is?

Ok, I installed and ran it.
I got this result --

Screen Shot 2021-06-26 at 11.28.23 am.png


Surely there should be a check when the app first runs that says "Am I already on Windows 11? If so, don't say it can't run Windows 11"


*No, not the computer. This is an Aussie expression that simply means "to try it".
 
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ian87w

macrumors G3
Feb 22, 2020
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Indonesia

ivnj

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Dec 8, 2006
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And it doesn't matter. For consumers, Microsoft will support Windows 10 until 2025 anyway. :)
For businesses, the support date goes longer to 2029.

And considering so many people are still on Windows 7 to this date. :D
So I got 4 years. And by then 11 machines will go on sale. Or in 4 years 12 will be out so it won't matter.
 

ian87w

macrumors G3
Feb 22, 2020
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Indonesia
Just ran the compatibility app on my laptop, and it's not eligible for Windows 11 since it's running an older gen Intel CPU. Ah well, good to know.
 

ian87w

macrumors G3
Feb 22, 2020
8,704
12,638
Indonesia
So I got 4 years. And by then 11 machines will go on sale. Or in 4 years 12 will be out so it won't matter.
There's a suggestion that the pandemic showed a surge of PC sales, prompting Microsoft to have a change of heart (from having Windows 10 as the last version of Windows ever) to release Windows 11 and having much more stringent system requirement so that many people would be nudged to buy new PCs to get the new "shiny" OS. :)
 
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