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Windows 11

maflynn said:
Yes, at this point Intel Macs will not be able to run windows 11, as they don't offer TPM 2.0
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i’m sure open core will be able to sort this out in the future if it cannot already

otherwise there is the install file alteration work around anyway
 
iluvmacs99 said:
That's a good question. I wonder that myself, but I know you can sideload APKs with the Amazon Kindle Fire. Hopefully there'll be more apps selection in the Amazon store once Win 11 becomes more mainstream, without needing to side load apps.
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Yup, it seems like sideloading APKs will be possible. That means we can sideload the Google Play Services APK and the Google Play Store APK in order to get full access/functionality to the Google Play Store on Windows 11 with all apps being able to work due to the Google Play Services being present.

Once people begin to put Windows 11 on ARM onto their Lumia 950 XL smartphones, this means they'll technically be able to access the Google Play Store and all of its glory! 🥳
https://twitter.com/x/status/1408222245265330178
 
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Amazon app store is a weird partnership and not ideal from the customer point of view but maybe it's to avoid anti-trust issues with Microsoft + Google goliaths. As long as you can sideload Google Play Store I'm fine with it.
 
Will Windows 11 have an xCloud app? If not, it would be interesting if one could install the android version.
 
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mi7chy said:
Amazon app store is a weird partnership and not ideal from the customer point of view but maybe it's to avoid anti-trust issues with Microsoft + Google goliaths. As long as you can sideload Google Play Store I'm fine with it.
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I think it has more to do with the fact that Android apps in the Amazon App Store don't have the Google Play store hooks and baggage that many apps in the Google Play store have. The APKs on Amazon are "cleaner".

I ran into this when loading apps on my Fire HD tablets. I'd install the 4 APKs to get Google Play Store running, install my apps, then remove those 4 APKs. Nearly all of my apps no longer would run because they required the Google Play store.

The Google Play Store apps that had counterparts on Amazon (same app, same version), didn't (obviously) require Google Play.

Google Play Store on the Fire HD tablets drags the performance down. It's somewhat noticeable on the Fire HD 10 and 8, but made the Fire 7 nearly unusable.

I would need a particular Google Play Store app pretty bad to sideload the Google Play Store on my Win 11 system.
 
Okay, I was thinking Windows 11 was so macOS like 4 years ago, until...

LEATHER PANTS!!!

But anyway...

So much seems to be aping the macOS interface, however I hope that 'snapping apps' doesn't become a huge thing in macOS. I hate that feature in 10. Make it stop!!! (or make it something that can be turned off) But they are leveraging, hard, really hard, pathetically hard, their XBox ecosystem. If not for Xbox, would Microsoft still exist Would 10 have happened? Would 11 be happening?

Killing Pippen doesn't look like such a great idea now, does it. I mean, it could have been a thing, if it had incubated enough. Who knew that gaming would likely save Microsoft, similar to the iPod saving Apple. (And Zune almost killing Microsoft)

EDIT: Than 'Ms Bond, Sarah Bond', proclaims that 'Windows 11 Is Made For Gaming'. The best for gaming. Will 11 be a hard sell for 'business'?
 
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sracer said:
Google Play Store on the Fire HD tablets drags the performance down. It's somewhat noticeable on the Fire HD 10 and 8, but made the Fire 7 nearly unusable.

I would need a particular Google Play Store app pretty bad to sideload the Google Play Store on my Win 11 system.
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Only resource issue I have is when running both Amazon and Google services together which bog down the device. Fortunately, I have specific Fire 7 and 10 models that could be flashed with custom image with Google only store and there's no noticeable difference in performance compared to stock image with Amazon only store.

Google Voice, Maps, Docs/Drive, YouTube, etc. are essential services that have no Amazon equivalent so Amazon store offer very little for my use case. Accessing through full desktop browser is better anyway so only benefit of Android on Windows is access to my paid time killer apps like Dead Cells so I don't have to repurchase through Steam. More of a nice to have rather than need to have.
 
And upgrade? Is this the first Windows version where the only option to get Windows 11 has been blatantly stated to 'buy a new PC'?

Over and over again I keep reading the 'buy a new PC' over and over again. Buy a new computer, buy a new notebook, buy a new tablet, buy, buy, buy and be happy. Buy more. Buy often. Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy.
 
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The MSI H61M-E33 my mom is using from 2013 is not even listed as windows 10 compatible but it installed windows 10 for free and still works to this da.
 
There are YouTube clients which work on Fire tablets without Play Services. Also can use Silk Browser to load it, log in and use. I do that same browser trick on my ancient Samsung tablets as well. Zero dependence on Play Services since you're just using a browser cookie.

Maps will work without Play Services, but it just pops up a notice or shows a triangle error notification about it, but those can be disabled/tapped through. No account data is saved but navigation works fine. Also, many ancient versions of said apps pre-dated Google integration since they were back in the Android 2.2 days before it became a thing. (they also lacked Google branding, just called Maps, Books, Music, etc)

A lot of apps that claim to need it also will work, a game called Wheel of Fortune works but will pop-up a notice saying it won't, just tap outside it and it works fine. Other apps might fail to get location since they use the Location API in Google Services, but you can add location in manually (such as weather apps). Google Chrome will also work, just disable all notications in settings to get rid of the persistent 'Chrome will not work without updated Play Services' notification.

Also there are things such as Micro-G, an open-source Play Services alternative to make apps that outright refuse to work run, and YouTube Vanced, a Google-free implementation of YouTube. Custom ROM and root users have been aware of this for quite some time.
 
AutomaticApple said:
Yup, it seems like sideloading APKs will be possible. That means we can sideload the Google Play Services APK and the Google Play Store APK in order to get full access/functionality to the Google Play Store on Windows 11 with all apps being able to work due to the Google Play Services being present.

Once people begin to put Windows 11 on ARM onto their Lumia 950 XL smartphones, this means they'll technically be able to access the Google Play Store and all of its glory! 🥳
https://twitter.com/x/status/1408222245265330178
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Thank you for sharing this. I'm looking forward to that eventuality myself, though not in a rush since I'm running Bluestacks and virtualize Android with Google Play Services present and work great on my PC. Would be neat to have Amazon store and Google Play Store running together on my PC as I own both Kindle and Android specific tablets that I use concurrently.
 
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It seems possible that they will be allowing free upgrades for Windows 10 users.

But I was surprised that so many people were commenting on bugs on during their presentation. I didn't notice any. *shrug*

Weird that I got 10 for free, and might end up with 11 for free too? Hmm...
 
I'm waiting for the people to start complaining about the notification about the 'free' upgrade to Windows 11 like it was with Windows 10 for Windows Vista/7 users.

But that aside, technically Windows has been 'free' since Windows 7. Gaming PC builders I always asked how the price for building was cheaper since you had to pay $199 for Windows which would offset a pre-built system, then they let me in on how you can use Windows unactivated today, just with some personalization caveats. It won't render itself unbootable after 30 days the way XP did.
 
mi7chy said:
There are reports of people installing the leaked version on 6th gen Intel CPU so it's to be seen if it's a recommendation rather than hard set requirement.
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Of course, the leaked version is not an authoritative source for anything. Some internal builds of Windows permitted more CPUs and only required TPM 1.2, and it seems that the leaked version may be one of these.
 
Nermal said:
Of course, the leaked version is not an authoritative source for anything. Some internal builds of Windows permitted more CPUs and only required TPM 1.2, and it seems that the leaked version may be one of these.
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Yeah I am wondering if they are going to be more lenient with the CPU architecture than the others. Currently my Surface Pro 3 fails due to old CPU even though it is fast enough and passes all the other checks.
 
Nermal said:
Of course, the leaked version is not an authoritative source for anything. Some internal builds of Windows permitted more CPUs and only required TPM 1.2, and it seems that the leaked version may be one of these.
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Or, maybe just hard and soft floors. Wouldn't make sense for Microsoft to have restrictions to reduce Windows marketshare. I'm betting if a device can run 10 then it'll run 11 when it's released. Not going to sweat it.

https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-11-cpu-compatibility-amd-intel/
 
maflynn said:
When was the last time big sur was updated?
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Big Sur was last updated on May 24 2021 that addressed a 'Vulnerability That Could Let Attackers Take Secret Screenshots' which was the 11.4 update.

source: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/05/24/macos-big-sur-11-4-malware-screenshots/

and HECK of a lot more detailed below:

About the security content of macOS Big Sur 11.4 - Apple Support

This document describes the security content of macOS Big Sur 11.4.
support.apple.com support.apple.com
 
Ok, so I am running Win 11 on an iMac, with my keyboard (Logitech K375s) set in Mac mode.
I accidentally pressed CMD-W to close a window, and the News Widget pops up.
So, what are the critically important news items it displays?
  • Why the Pentagon is investigating UFOs
  • Paris Hilton shouts "Free Britney
  • These smiling animals will brighten your day
  • 4 easy tips to take better selfies...
I don't think I will be outsourcing my news reading to a computer
 
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