Windows 11

[nathansz]

That's brilliant. Microsoft already has conflicting requirement information about their upcoming operating system from within their own websites:

Windows 11 requirements

Hardware requirements to deploy Windows 11.

docs.microsoft.com

Microsoft certainly has a knack for creating confusion about its products.

for what it’s worth:

i had to enable secure boot and tpm to get it to install

once it installed it boots and runs fine with both disabled again, which is good because i can’t boot macos with secure boot enabled

 

[Bubble99]

Ok, I haven't used an iPad for some years now, but you are going to have to back up your claim about macOS with some evidence.
I can install/update software on my Mac three different ways concurrently (direct install from .DMG file, download/install from Apple Store and TeXLive Install/Update) without them tripping over each other. I can't do that on Windows (10 or 11).
If I haven't used a mac for a week, I can start it up and use it straight away. Any checks for updates and such like are done in the background at a low priority. If I haven't used Windows for a week, even if it is installed on a SSD, I have to wait for a couple of minutes for it to run through all its startup tests and update checks before I can open an application reasonably quickly.

As for giving the Android Store access to your Windows machine, that's just stupid. The number of malicious Android apps is appalling (Search)

No I’m making reference to the windows new snapping tool.

Well obviously both Windows and MacOS can run many programs in the background. Both being a floating window.

When I said windows had better multitasking I was making referencing to the snapping tool.

 

[DaveFromCampbelltown]

No I’m making reference to the windows new snapping tool.

Well obviously both Windows and MacOS can run many programs in the background. Both being a floating window.

When I said windows had better multitasking I was making referencing to the snapping tool.

I have tried snapping, with Windows and Linux. I don't find it useful for me. I like to resize my windows to the size needed for the job, not what the OS thinks I need, and have them overlay, but not totally overlapping each other. That way I can switch windows just by clicking on the one I want.

 

[Bubble99]

As for giving the Android Store access to your Windows machine, that's just stupid. The number of malicious Android apps is appalling (Search)

Not just replying to you but three or so others here have said this.

Wow ,really just wow, that it sink in, just wow. just wow.

There is thread here going on 20+ pages complaining that may be Apple should be more aggressive with programers to be able to run mobile apps on the desktop. Yes on a Mac.

These silly posts here tell me these people know nothing about computers that alone tech. And only would be posted on Apple forums. No wonder windows users don't take Apple users seriously.

Does windows need Android apps for desktop use? Yes and no.

As bad as android is compared to iOS it is nothing compared to Windows mobile. There mobile app store is garbage just pure garbage.

If you buy a Windows tablet and say I want to use it like say a iPad not a keyboard or mouse and think you can just get by like finding mobile apps well it is a million times worse than Android tablet. That it sink in a million times worse.

Many people that buy surface tablets many of them do not even use it like a tablet but laptop. The Microsoft store for mobile is beyond laughable and no one even looks there and no programme is going to spend the time programming an app there. There is no money in it. No market share, just no money.

As bad as android is well for folks that have a android phone or android tablet like basic note taking apps, calendars, diary, to do list, study apps, fitness apps, and other study and productivity apps I can see the interest. You take you phone or tablet than come back to your desktop. View it and may want to add stuff with out having to use two devices at the desk.

Also improving syncing between music, video, messages and your photos if Windows and android can communicate with no problems.

Also Microsoft as been making the OS and software more mobile friendly. Windows 8 with mentro was too mobile and very anti desktop, windows 10 not as mobile friendly but some task you can sort of get by. Well windows 11 seems more mobile friendly.

There is this also big experiment that people have tablet and think it is interesting be it iPad, android tablet and windows tablet and it can do this and that but it is still not there yet as replacement for some people. And it like Apple and Microsoft are trying new things and looking at mobile and desktop and trying but not there yet it is well very close but it is not there yet for some tasks and people use.


Other thing is philosophy.

Apple philosophy is no, just no, you need two OS a mobile OS and desktop OS

Windows philosophy is like

No I don’t believe in one OS for desktop and one OS for mobile.

That try windows 8? oops that did not work out. sorry that try windows 10? okay more desktop friendly but not as mobile friendly like the iPad.

Okay that try windows 11. Okay this is looking like we may have got it that see how this plays out.

It like Microsoft is doing a experiment.

Will Microsoft be able to solve the problem with windows 11. I'm not sure.

It could be other 15 to 20 years. if it is even possible.

It also may never be solved and tablets will only be able to do 80% what a desktop can do. And you always going to have to have two devices for that 20% of task or people that like workflow similar to the past.

Will it be Apple or Microsoft that solves the problem? no one knoww?

But who ever does would change the the world.

There is large number of people here saying the iPadOS is not pro like and some times it should run macOS when you hooking up the mouse and keyboard to it. That iPadOS is holding it back they say.

Well yes the iPadOS is getting new pro features every year!!Yes new features every year. It just people say Apple is moving too slow.

Well Microsoft seems to want to do this with one OS.

Also Microsoft is working with android it looks like syncing your photos, music, videos, messages and notes if you can install the android app on the computer should be easier . When will you be able to do that? May be in 5 months from now or year from now. I don’t know? Windows 11 is just coming out. So I have no idea.

Will mobile gaming take of on the desktop. Well there is a sub set of users that don’t play AAA games and games like puzzles, solitaire, chest, Go, checkers, mind game, word game, card games, scrabble so on are more popular than AAA games.

I see more 40+ olds playing those games.

But with windows supporting Linux and can run android than in theory it should be able to do that.

Will Microsoft be able to fix the app store well I don’t know.

If I'm a programmer and I'm programing an app I'm going to go to iOS and android first where the market shares is and skip Microsoft mobile app store.

If Microsoft app store had a millions of apps to choose from and people like it and
I’m going to make money than I will make app there.

If I code an app for android and it can run on windows than okay but I’m not going to make app for windows. I don’t see any market share in it beyond syncing.

If Microsoft can fix the app store and it becomes more popular than only than would I make app there.

 

[iHorseHead]

Windows 8 was a major flop

I used Windows 8 a couple days ago and I have forgotten how horrible it was. Really, Windows 8 was a failure.

 

[DaveFromCampbelltown]

I used Windows 8 a couple days ago and I have forgotten how horrible it was. Really, Windows 8 was a failure.

I used Windows 8 several years ago, and I have never forgotten how horrible it was.

 

[Steve Adams]

I have been using Windows since 1993 and I really don’t like it. It’s not very simple to explain what is really wrong with Windows. I am sure that many people like it, others hate it and many just are used to it. For me technology has one goal: To make our lives better. I strongly believe in ecosystems that offer a complete feature set that allows people to use various devices in a way that everything works together, connected and not disconnected. When I look at Windows (the version doesn’t really matter), I see a big disconnect. I see no real ecosystem in place.
There is no tight integration of hardware and software and that is one of my major pain points when discussing and evaluating Windows. For people that do not care about having a deep integration across any computing device, then Windows is ok. For everybody else, Apple is the much better choice.
Some typical examples where this integration is lacking in the Windows world are:

• You want to edit a video? No standard app in the OS is available. You have to download and use a 3rd party, which most of the times sucks (unless it is Adobe Premiere of course, but that costs quite a lot of money). In the Apple work you have iMovie literally everywhere.
• You want to stream your videos to your TV from your Windows PC? Of course you can do that, but you would have to use some kind of 3rd party casting hardware and software combination, which of course is totally disconnected from everything else you are using.
• You want to have you picture library synced, your albums synced across all your devices? Just use OneDrive for a week and try to do that and you will understand that it is just bad and not deeply integrated into the OS.
• You want to start writing a document on your tablet and then continue on your desktop computer? Not possible. You would have to save the document (or use auto save in OneDrive), open the document on your second computer and then continue editing.
• You want to use your smart watch to listen to your favorite playlist you created on any other device you own? Not possible

The list goes on and on. Windows is good if you use it disconnected from your life. If you see your devices as separate and do not understand the benefits of integration. If you want to use O365 and the Office apps then Windows is good. The problems of Windows though are deep and cannot be solved by a new version.
The major issue I see is that the hardware is just not up to par with what Apple is making. I have used a lot of Surface computers and I am tired of their issues, which are just unacceptable. Drivers issues, power management issues, lag issues…Windows is not smooth, it has never been. I understand that many people use them for specific scenarios and that businesses will not stop buying Windows PCs or developing for Windows, but in my personal life I do not see a place for Windows. Gaming is something that many people love doing on Windows. I just use my PlayStation 5 for all of my gaming. I don’t need a PC for that and I certainly wouldn’t get one just for gaming. (But that’s just me)

Windows 11 from a feature perspective doesn’t really bring a lot of changes. Yes, a somewhat new interface and some great Windows snapping options (which I would love to see on the Mac too), but apart from that the ecosystem stays the same. Having the ability to run Android apps on Windows doesn’t change anything. Just remember how bad most Android tablet apps are and imagine them running on a Windows desktop or laptop…No point in doing that and Microsoft should have known better.
The teams integration in the OS is interesting, but Teams must improve a lot if people are going to start using it in their personal lives. Teams is an enterprise application and is difficult to see it as a personal conferencing and chatting software.
So, I am not excited at all but I was never the target group of Microsoft.

In regards to your statement I have highlighted above. This is only half true if you use iPhone. I have an iPhone right now, I ditched all of apples services and use MS. The only thing that does not integrate completely in windows by itself is Messaging from iPhone. Everything else just works through 365 no issues. Now, If you are on android, EVERYTHING integrates via "your phone" app. The hardware is not up to par with apple? REALLY? there are many windows based PCs that are better than macbooks and Macs. Hardware has nothing to do with how well windows does or does not work for you.

Your entire post is a classic case of "If I don't like it, It's no good for anyone".

 

[vladi]

No I’m making reference to the windows new snapping tool.

Well obviously both Windows and MacOS can run many programs in the background. Both being a floating window.

When I said windows had better multitasking I was making referencing to the snapping tool.

Windows always had better app windows management than Mac. Even today there are Mac apps that don't do unified window workspace and instead they have floating pallets and tabs over desktop wallpaper.

 

[polyphenol]

It doesn't even require that! Michael MJD did a successful install on a system with 1GB RAM and a Core2Duo CPU. It performed like garbage until he just replaced the HDD (5400 RPM) with an SSD (Samsung EVO) and it became lightning quick, night and day just by switching it to an SSD.

My personal experience is that change from hard drive, even a fairly recent and decent speed model, to SSD is the best single upgrade you can make on many Windows machines. Suspect it really has taken over from adding RAM as the most obvious change to make (obviously depending on what options there are with the given hardware).

In particular, booting speeds up enormously. Thereafter, it obviously depends on what you are doing.

 

[maflynn]

Mine does too
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have a custom built PC using the latest components. I'm not terribly worried, they literally just announced it yesterday

 

[iHorseHead]

I've read that it's not accurate yet.
I remember when I was trying to upgrade my old Dell laptop from Windows 7 to Windows 10 and it said it doesn't meet the system requirements to run Windows 10.
I clean installed it and downloaded a crack from Torrent. Got a virus (it literally messed up my PC).
Before that Windows 10 ran perfectly though.

Why did I tell you the story? Just good memories.

 

[petvas]

In regards to your statement I have highlighted above. This is only half true if you use iPhone. I have an iPhone right now, I ditched all of apples services and use MS. The only thing that does not integrate completely in windows by itself is Messaging from iPhone. Everything else just works through 365 no issues. Now, If you are on android, EVERYTHING integrates via "your phone" app. The hardware is not up to par with apple? REALLY? there are many windows based PCs that are better than macbooks and Macs. Hardware has nothing to do with how well windows does or does not work for you.

Your entire post is a classic case of "If I don't like it, It's no good for anyone".

Another typical case of comparing specs just to decide which device is better..
I guess you didn't understand my post at all. I said that I am not in the target group at all. I also wrote that many people do not have an issue with all weaknesses of Windows.

 

[diamond.g]

So now that DirectStorage is tied to Windows 11, I wonder if Nvidia will push RTX I/O for Windows 10 (or will AMD come out with it's own flavor or get Khronos to add it to Vulkan).

 

[Steve Adams]

Another typical case of comparing specs just to decide which device is better..
I guess you didn't understand my post at all. I said that I am not in the target group at all. I also wrote that many people do not have an issue with all weaknesses of Windows.

Just as many people dont have issues with all the weaknesses in MacOS either. goes both ways.

 

[maflynn]

Not sure why it says not compatible.

I got the health check to work and "approve" my pc simply because I had to enable AMD cpu fTPM.

 

[nathansz]

My personal experience is that change from hard drive, even a fairly recent and decent speed model, to SSD is the best single upgrade you can make on many Windows machines. Suspect it really has taken over from adding RAM as the most obvious change to make (obviously depending on what options there are with the given hardware).

In particular, booting speeds up enormously. Thereafter, it obviously depends on what you are doing.

this is true for any os

 

[maflynn]

all weaknesses of Windows.

Same is true with macOS and all if its weaknesses ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[maflynn]

Interesting take, Dave2D mentions that largely UI change and few other major updates to windows 11. I think he forgot some other windows upgrades, like Vista to windows 7. If you looked at windows vista and what was new in windows 7, there really wasn't a ton of new features.

Going over to the macOS side, the annual updates that apple has rolled out are all but minor from year to year, so I think that sort of criticism is sort of unfair - especially when you consider that windows (and macOS) are mature products, there's really nothing major left to do other then minor refinements or minor features that could be tweaked

 

[AutomaticApple]

As bad as android is compared to iOS it is nothing compared to Windows mobile. There mobile app store is garbage just pure garbage.

No kidding. Windows 10 Mobile is an unsupported operating system.

Windows 8 worked very well on my tablet.

 

[iluvmacs99]

Heh, I really like what the new Windows 11 has to offer plus it comes as a free upgrade! What I really like about Windows 11 is finally the native ability to run Android apps. I've been using Bluestacks to virtualize Android on my Win 10 for Android apps so I use in conjunction with my small 7" Lenovo Tab 7 running Android 9 Pie Go. It was interesting they went with the Amazon appstore, which in itself is more limited in apps availability compared to Google Playstore, but I can see why Windows went with Amazon and perhaps in the future leverage Amazon's Sidewalk technology like what Apple does with its AirTag and Find My network.

Anyhow, I'm glad I now have a choice to choose either a touch based Windows 11 laptop vs M series Macbook Air. I'm partial towards touch based laptops, so Win 11 brings me more joy using Windows.

 

[AutomaticApple]

Heh, I really like what the new Windows 11 has to offer plus it comes as a free upgrade! What I really like about Windows 11 is finally the native ability to run Android apps. I've been using Bluestacks to virtualize Android on my Win 10 for Android apps so I use in conjunction with my small 7" Lenovo Tab 7 running Android 9 Pie Go. It was interesting they went with the Amazon appstore, which in itself is more limited in apps availability compared to Google Playstore, but I can see why Windows went with Amazon and perhaps in the future leverage Amazon's Sidewalk technology like what Apple does with its AirTag and Find My network.

Anyhow, I'm glad I now have a choice to choose either a touch based Windows 11 laptop vs M series Macbook Air. I'm partial towards touch based laptops, so Win 11 brings me more joy using Windows.

I wonder if Microsoft will allow users to sideload APKs...

I kind of wish they would've used Uptodown or APKMirror instead.

 

[TopherMan12]

Now, If you are on android, EVERYTHING integrates via "your phone" app. The hardware is not up to par with apple? REALLY? there are many windows based PCs that are better than macbooks and Macs. Hardware has nothing to do with how well windows does or does not work for you.

If Your Phone integrated Android devices with Windows as well as Apple devices then personally, I wouldn't have bothered moving back to Apple. When it connects reliably then it is ok, but that is hit or miss. Apple devices do not integrate with an app though. They integrate with the OS itself. iPhone and Apple Watch integration with Mac OS is a pretty huge selling point for Apple.

Hopefully this is something that will be improved with Windows 11, but doesn't seem to be something that made the priority list.

 

[Steve Adams]

It's just not that big a deal for many whether it's "natively" or through an app. I get my files, phone calls, messages etc through 365 and mobile connect. I don't care that it's the app. It all still comes through my computer.

 

[TopherMan12]

It's just not that big a deal for many whether it's "natively" or through an app. I get my files, phone calls, messages etc through 365 and mobile connect. I don't care that it's the app. It all still comes through my computer.

For many like me it is a big deal. This is the advantage of an single ecosystem. My watch, phone, tablet and computer all feel like separate parts of a cohesive unit. That was never the case with my Samsung Note 20 Ultra, Galaxy Watch 3, and Windows PC. It is a lot of little things like Apple Watch unlocking my Mac or being able to approve multi-factor authentication requests or being able to easily use iPad as a second monitor. What I'm talking about isn't confined to an "app".

Not saying everyone would value these aspect like I do and that is fine, but how well it all works together is still impressive.

So now that DirectStorage is tied to Windows 11, I wonder if Nvidia will push RTX I/O for Windows 10 (or will AMD come out with it's own flavor or get Khronos to add it to Vulkan).

Microsoft and Nvidia's partnership may not allow that to happen. One can hope though. Seems silly to make people upgrade, even for free, just to get DirectStorage capabilities in games.

 

[iluvmacs99]

I wonder if Microsoft will allow users to sideload APKs...

I kind of wish they would've used Uptodown or APKMirror instead.

That's a good question. I wonder that myself, but I know you can sideload APKs with the Amazon Kindle Fire. Hopefully there'll be more apps selection in the Amazon store once Win 11 becomes more mainstream, without needing to side load apps.