Windows 11

[nickdalzell1]

Oh I run Linux as well (Debian) but this is definitely Windows 11. I have been taking ownership of folders to disable updates since Windows 10. I haven't quite nailed down how to do similar in Linux (although disabling updates is easy, I just can't wrap my head around how permissions work in Linux enough to disable Steam updates, so I run it offline only)

Taking ownership and inheriting permissions has existed since NT 4. Windows is just there for the couple of online games I run (PC Building simulator, MS flight sim 2020--the latter of which refuses to run in Linux. freezes hard before the menu shows and fans max out). I had to remove all write permissions and add in some shortcut hacks to the properties just to stop Steam from updating or forcing an update on games to even run them in offline mode. I might go to another platform (GoG, Epic) since I read online that they don't force updates on anyone. I don't believe in updates. Ever since iOS 7 and Android 5, they left a bad taste in my mouth. IF anything gets updated on my stuff, it's my choice, and I must be able to roll back if I don't like it. Steam is making that infinitely harder.

 

[diamond.g]

Oh I run Linux as well (Debian) but this is definitely Windows 11. I have been taking ownership of folders to disable updates since Windows 10. I haven't quite nailed down how to do similar in Linux (although disabling updates is easy, I just can't wrap my head around how permissions work in Linux enough to disable Steam updates, so I run it offline only)

Taking ownership and inheriting permissions has existed since NT 4. Windows is just there for the couple of online games I run (PC Building simulator, MS flight sim 2020--the latter of which refuses to run in Linux. freezes hard before the menu shows and fans max out). I had to remove all write permissions and add in some shortcut hacks to the properties just to stop Steam from updating or forcing an update on games to even run them in offline mode. I might go to another platform (GoG, Epic) since I read online that they don't force updates on anyone. I don't believe in updates. Ever since iOS 7 and Android 5, they left a bad taste in my mouth. IF anything gets updated on my stuff, it's my choice, and I must be able to roll back if I don't like it. Steam is making that infinitely harder.

Do you manually update your display drivers?

 

[nickdalzell1]

I don't even do that. They're not broken, why do they need fixing? My display works. Full UHD resolution, speed, and control of the overclocking and voltage. What more would I want?

It really astounds me how few today even understand logic as simple as 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'

Me trying out Windows 11 was a choice I made--I used the Windows Update dev channel. If I wanted to downgrade back to Windows 10, there are many ways to do that---reformatting the drive, and reinstalling, or simply going back to the normal channel and uninstalling the preview.

Try downgrading iOS 7+ to iOS 6. can't be done. Thank goodness for Samsung Galaxy SII on Amazon! Closest I'll get to that iOS 6 UI.

If it were up to me, I'd have Windows 7 on my gaming rig instead of either 10 or 11. But it refuses to work. Even if it installs, I cannot activate it. No legit copies exist anywhere. That was peak UI design.

 

[diamond.g]

I don't even do that. They're not broken, why do they need fixing? My display works. Full UHD resolution, speed, and control of the overclocking and voltage. What more would I want?

It really astounds me how few today even understand logic as simple as 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'

Me trying out Windows 11 was a choice I made--I used the Windows Update dev channel. If I wanted to downgrade back to Windows 10, there are many ways to do that---reformatting the drive, and reinstalling, or simply going back to the normal channel and uninstalling the preview.

Try downgrading iOS 7+ to iOS 6. can't be done. Thank goodness for Samsung Galaxy SII on Amazon! Closest I'll get to that iOS 6 UI.

If it were up to me, I'd have Windows 7 on my gaming rig instead of either 10 or 11. But it refuses to work. Even if it installs, I cannot activate it. No legit copies exist anywhere. That was peak UI design.

So the games you play are older games then? I find that newer GPU drivers tend to improve newer game performance. Which wouldn’t matter for older games (clearly).

 

[Bodhitree]

Watched Snazzys Windows 11 video and wonder why my installation isn’t as smooth and fluid as his. Is it because I actually use it and have tons of stuff installed? Should I perform a clean install? Something I’m not looking forward to… I’m on a P53 with 9th gen i7 and a Nvidia T1000 I think.

I watched that, and I have to say I’m left with a very positive impression of Win11.

 

[Slartibart]

It really astounds me how few today even understand logic as simple as 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'

Maybe, just maybe, there are quite a lot of application areas where you can’t apply a simple binary rule?
I get the “never change a running system” stand, I really do. If you have reached such a degree of “homeostasis” on your systems, excellent! Seriously.
But there are a lot of scenarios which can’t be addressed as simple as that.

 

[nickdalzell1]

So the games you play are older games then? I find that newer GPU drivers tend to improve newer game performance. Which wouldn’t matter for older games (clearly).

Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020) didn't depend on any new display drivers. I'm running it on a RX570 and a system with SSD, 32GB of Corsair RAM, and a Ryzen 3. Overclocked and definitely quite nice. The gaming system was built in 2019. I doubt highly much changes and I've had horrible issues in the past (during Windows 9x era to XP) where a driver 'update' broke things completely and I was stuck in low resolution 16 color mode. There's a Delll Dimension Pentium 4 system still in storage that's stuck that way due to a GPU driver 'update'. It BSoDs trying to downgrade the driver (assuming it's uninstalling it completely instead of rolling back). I'm not willing to play that lottery anymore. I lose far more often than win.

In my experience, it's quite the opposite. the 'update' takes more resources than it gives back. Heck, just the mandatory 'update' to Flight Simulator forced me to uninstall PC Building Simulator because it took far more space than my SSD has. It was fine before that! I made the mistake of not having Steam in offline mode when I logged out of Windows the last time and it insisted on the game requiring an update to play it. That won't happen again, as I've changed the permissions to read-only. Steam can't override it if it wanted to.

Because of Steam's garbage update policy, I will be taking my future business elsewhere.

People always ask why Android slows down over time, or why their PC gets clogged up. It's because of updates. My Galaxy SII is still running its out of box version of Android 2.3.6, and I've never updated any single app. Any app I've sideloaded is from the year 2010. The phone runs as snappy as a brand new phone. It's updates that slow things down. The days of updates actually improving things stopped the instant iOS 7 and Android 5 (ironically named 'lollipop' which aptly describes its horrid UI) landed.

 

[jrichards1408]

So you've installed Linux? Which distro?

I use pop os

 

[nickdalzell1]

This Toshiba laptop from 2012 is running Ubuntu 14 (with KDE) and themed to resemble Windows Vista.

I got another Linux box running Deepin with Cinnamon doing an impression of Windows 7.

There's only one system currently running Windows 11, that's just one OS on my gaming rig. The other is Ubuntu Gamepack based off of 20.04. It actually runs 99% of the games, but I got Steam and the OS in permanent offline mode to avoid updates, since none of the games that I run for the most part require internet.

The situation is quite different for Flight Simulator as it needs internet to play properly, and PC Building Simulator I use the internet for DLC and for the nice internet radio it has (it has a great '70s playlist). Both those functions will work with Steam in offline mode but with the OS online, but on Linux, it won't work that way as Steam insists on checking for updates for the client and games even in offline mode so long as the OS remains online. I haven't figured out how permissions work yet to countermend it as I've done in Windows.

 

[MBAir2010]

So you've installed Linux? Which distro?

all of them!

after getting annoyed at 11 and reading how Monterrey is for kids yesterday
i think i should switch to Linux for good, due to the less fluff and extra steps to cut and paste something.

 

[nickdalzell1]

Monterey!? It was Yosemite that started the 'Sorry, silly Mac, OS X is for kids!' mentality that followed iOS 7. It hadn't changed much since, other than killing dashboard, then 32-bit support.

Sadly, the folks who brought Apple to the top, those older folks who grew up with Apple //e's in their schools playing Oregon Trail, then loving their PowerPC gear, have been deemed irrelevant. They want the kids and older, dumber complacent adults. The whole dumbed down UI sadly didn't stay confined to Apple, it spread like a, well, pandemic, to Google, Microsoft, and so on.

Does anyone remember peak skeuomorphism that was WebOS? Wireless charging, gesture controls, sliding keyboard, and a beautiful UI to help it all make sense, back in 2009! Why can't we have that again? Flat has been stagnant since 2013, it's time to take advantage of those high res OLED displays and bring back the details!

We're sadly slipping into a reality where an 'upgrade' is merely a total downgrade, with losing features and yet charging $1000 or more. What exactly is the upgrade? The Galaxy S5 had a removable battery, wireless charging support (with case cover), water proofing, IR blaster, finger print reader, heart rate sensor, expandable storage, USB 3.0 and more. What does the S21 give you? No expandable storage, no IR blaster, a battery sealed that means the phone is dead in a couple years, not even a headphone jack. How on earth is that an upgrade? what's it got?! 5 cameras? Who cares about a smartphone camera! The Nokia Lumia 1020 had what? an 80MP camera? Cameras don't sell smartphones. Features do.

 

[grmlin]

Does anyone know how I can fix the unreadable accent colored buttons? This drives me crazy, it's happening system wide and clicking around in the settings doesn't help.

this button in the Windows Store update page for example:

 

[nickdalzell1]

Dunno if it can be fixed if it's another 'beta' bug. I'd report it to the Insider channel. I had the 'volume is showing muted in taskbar when it's not' bug for awhile but it's fixed lately.

 

[grmlin]

Dunno if it can be fixed if it's another 'beta' bug. I'd report it to the Insider channel. I had the 'volume is showing muted in taskbar when it's not' bug for awhile but it's fixed lately.

I'm on the release build now. But I was on the beta channel before. I guess I just can't get around a clean install at this point to rule out any issues caused by that.

 

[sracer]

Rolled back one of my devices, Lenovo Yoga 6, from Windows 11 to 10 due to delayed movement in Doom Eternal. Deciding if I should roll back the Thinkpad x200 and Surface Pro X and let 11 bake a little longer.

I too rolled back my Yoga 6 from Win 11 back to 10. Although the performance hit was minor, things didn't "feel" right. I'll probably try again when there's another update or so to address some of those issues. As for my ThinkPad P15S Gen2, that'll stay on Win 10 for the foreseeable future.

 

[grmlin]

Just started the clean install from USB: what in the world how does this installer still look like Windows Vista lol

 

[diamond.g]

Just started the clean install from USB: what in the world how does this installer still look like Windows Vista lol

WinPE?

 

[MBAir2010]

anyone else photos (raw or nef) turn brighter when clicked on Microsoft's photo?
i dont know which exposure is the one that is ?

 

[grmlin]

WinPE?

is it called WinPE? I'm talking about the installer when you boot from the USB drive

It installed very fast. That's impressive. It also runs so much better now, but I also didn't install anything yet lol. I'll enjoy it as long as it lasts haha

 

[diamond.g]

is it called WinPE? I'm talking about the installer when you boot from the USB drive

It installed very fast. That's impressive. It also runs so much better now, but I also didn't install anything yet lol. I'll enjoy it as long as it lasts haha

Yeah that whole process (until you are actually at the desktop) is WinPE which has been around since Vista IIRC.

 

[grmlin]

I have to say that I encountered many glitches already, that leaves a really bad first impression tbh. It’s not like I’m looking for them, but broken animations, windows that are only half dark, that kind of stuff.

Also, what the heck is Instagram, TickTock etc doing in my start menu. I hate that nonsense so much

 

[MBAir2010]

I have to say that I encountered many glitches already, that leaves a really bad first impression tbh. It’s not like I’m looking for them, but broken animations, windows that are only half dark, that kind of stuff.

Also, what the heck is Instagram, TickTock etc doing in my start menu. I hate that nonsense so much

luckily those crapps did not show up on my Dell XPS but i upgraded.
im getting tired of the news notifications hidden on Edge that i don't want to know.
we need a OS for zen like people who need a computer, but not the global static.

 

[grmlin]

Oh yes, the clean install was worth it. I CAN FINALLY READ THE BUTTON TEXTS AGAIN

let's see for how long that lasts

 

[nickdalzell1]

WinPE is the Preinstallation Environment. I still wish it were possible to use its UI in 11.

FYI, the P.E. used in Windows 95's install was out of Windows 3.1.

Those 'bloatware' apps such as TikTok and the like aren't installed, they're placeholders. Clicking on them will download and install them. They've been there since Windows 11's leaked build. Clean installs are what makes them show--my 'upgrade' from 10 didn't show them.

 

[Apple Mac Daz]

luckily those crapps did not show up on my Dell XPS but i upgraded.
im getting tired of the news notifications hidden on Edge that i don't want to know.
we need a OS for zen like people who need a computer, but not the global static.

Installed on my new XPS and having issues with wifi sometimes it shows connected with internet access but I don’t have internet. I have to switch wifi off and back on.

Seems the Killer wifi adapter many are having issues with Win 11