Windows 11

[nickdalzell1]

That might be it, but when tapping that bar where it says 'plugin not supported' I get a page on the web about Adobe Flash being EOL'd and why it's fine. Not fine when you rely on it for a $1K+ security camera system that's hardwired. It might not be what it uses and I'm sure the page is fake just like whatever Chinese search posing as Google got installed, but I will look into that.

The page is just an IP address hosted by the DVR over an ethernet cable. It all runs locally, no internet. The company is called 'UNV' if anyone is curious. It opens a portal that is just the DVR UX with your IP cameras on a left sidebar and a grid of video windows of which cameras you're monitoring. On Edge the page loads but all the video feeds are blank. Same for any other browser (until she outright blacklisted any browser other than IE)

I guess I will have to use my magic touch to force IE to run on Windows 11 when it comes. I can't disable updates on that system (and she blocked admin access anyway and won't hear any of it from me) so it will happen. Just a matter of time.

 

[grmlin]

How old is this camera?

If it’s Flash you should find it in the pages source code. But yeah, if Edge already says it’s Flash…

You could try to run the Flash content. Here is one of the first hits in Google

How to Use Adobe Flash (Even Though It's Dead)

What about all of the great games?

www.howtogeek.com

 

[nickdalzell1]

Problem is a self contained SWF player won't work. It might work for offline files from Newgrounds' days but this system needs to dynamically update via ethernet. Also, the admin account is turned off (she got angry when I tried to fix the malware issue, she's convinced it's legit but what legit software eats all the RAM and pegs the CPU at 100% and redirects any URL to 'google.com' to a fake search page?)

The cameras got installed Summer of 2017, after a break in. The Vista PC we used then was stolen and we ended up replacing it with the current one, which is a Lenovo tower, dual GPUs driving two monitors, with 12GB RAM and an AMD A10 CPU/APU. Was nice then, but now feels like an i486 struggling to load Windows 98SE. It currently is full of Cheetah Mobile (CCleaner) garbage, something called 'MalwareBytes Free' which is garbage, has outdated apps such as Office 2010, Super CloneDrive, Yahoo! apps like Mail, and about 100 desktop shortcuts across both monitors (she never figured out the start menu)

I mean I'm also old fashioned too, but the level of extreme she has concerns me about my own old age later on. Will I be that bad?

 

[grmlin]

They sold a camera in 2017 that needed Flash? That’s wild

 

[nickdalzell1]

Well, I guess it had more to do with any IE dependence being offline, which would definitely be more secure, but in 2017 Windows 10 was only two-years old. Not too many IP camera companies could see the future. But she is an extreme level of user when she blacklists any browser except IE (because others change defaults for handling links including the URL of the DVR) and still uses Yahoo! Mail in 2022, but that's just from my perspective. I had no say in the installation and she's one of those feminist types who won't hear any opposing opinion from a male. I guess to her it makes perfect sense to stick with IE and Yahoo! with the same password she used in 2007, I mean, she's done it that long, "if it ain't broke,"

But it scares me. I am also kinda that way running Android 4.4 in 2022, and many apps APKs I used since 2010, and run old software (offline though) in Windows 11, and also run older Linux distros. I still cling to Winamp, and RealPlayer, and Netscape for crying out loud. I prefer older UI and smartphones/tablets. I am about to become that bad myself. I try to use 'modern' stuff and it annoys me to no end. So I can in a way see her perspective. But it scares me nonetheless.

Here's another funny reality. There's a golf car/NEV company called Star EV, formerly FairPlay, who made EVs since 2007, and their controllers programming software won't run on anything newer than Windows XP. We have an ancient, dying Dell Dimension out back offline running just for that!

 

[diamond.g]

Problem is a self contained SWF player won't work. It might work for offline files from Newgrounds' days but this system needs to dynamically update via ethernet. Also, the admin account is turned off (she got angry when I tried to fix the malware issue, she's convinced it's legit but what legit software eats all the RAM and pegs the CPU at 100% and redirects any URL to 'google.com' to a fake search page?)

The cameras got installed Summer of 2017, after a break in. The Vista PC we used then was stolen and we ended up replacing it with the current one, which is a Lenovo tower, dual GPUs driving two monitors, with 12GB RAM and an AMD A10 CPU/APU. Was nice then, but now feels like an i486 struggling to load Windows 98SE. It currently is full of Cheetah Mobile (CCleaner) garbage, something called 'MalwareBytes Free' which is garbage, has outdated apps such as Office 2010, Super CloneDrive, Yahoo! apps like Mail, and about 100 desktop shortcuts across both monitors (she never figured out the start menu)

I mean I'm also old fashioned too, but the level of extreme she has concerns me about my own old age later on. Will I be that bad?

Sheesh. Sounds like that user is a handful.

 

[nickdalzell1]

She's the boss. She knows enough to modify admin accounts and blacklist browsers but not enough to stop using fake antivirus software, Internet Explorer or Yahoo! Mail. It makes my brain hurt. She literally owns the business. I can do nothing except go to my new shop building and avoid her. Besides, her daughter runs stuff now, boss has moved on. But the issues remain. If I so much as touch that PC for anything other than parts lookup, I'm in huge trouble.

I'm just going to get popcorn and wait for the response when Windows 11 gets installed OTA and she wonders where her IE went. It's not my PC, and my building might get all ripped apart to replace the entire camera system but oh well.

I really do feel pity for her. All she knows is Internet Explorer. Can you imagine that? Were there folks who's lives were forever hurt with Adobe Flash being EOL? I guess I'm lucky I do most stuff offline.

 

[ThunderSkunk]

Will Windows 11 persuade anybody to switch over from macOS?

Our new Surface Pro 8's all came with it. Immediately an outburst of complaints about the stupid Ui choices, the scattered, disorganized birds nest of settings, compat & connectivity issues, and MS's persistent lack of useful pen & touch functionality. It's outrageous that they've been making tablets and Windows 10 this long, and it's still all this poorly designed. I pulled up a Windows 7 vm just to verify that I'm remembering right, that MS was actually capable of putting together a decent OS at one point. I am.

...and before anyone gets too confident, that's to say nothing of all the $ and functionality Apple has cost us in their orgy of technological arson since Mojave.

We're actually starting to look at how to do rely less on computers to do our work. I'm only 45, but have seen my industry go from no computers at all to adopting these things as tools to increase our productivity, only to then increase expectations for that productivity, ultimately give us more work to do for the same profit, until now where we finally spend a considerable amount of our day working not for our clients and our families, but to babysit and fund the tools themselves. It was bad enough when we were all facing indentured servitude under lawyers, but we're getting to the point, or maybe have already reached it, where the ever-increasing overhead of all this costly stuff has inverted its cost/benefit curve.

 

[Bandaman]

Our new Surface Pro 8's all came with it. Immediately an outburst of complaints about the stupid Ui choices, the scattered, disorganized birds nest of settings, compat & connectivity issues, and MS's persistent lack of useful pen & touch functionality. It's outrageous that they've been making tablets and Windows 10 this long, and it's still all this poorly designed. I pulled up a Windows 7 vm just to verify that I'm remembering right, that MS was actually capable of putting together a decent OS at one point. I am.

Windows 11 feels like the accumulation of knowledge after 35 years of developing operating systems, applying none of that knowledge, and ignoring literally everyone.

 

[nickdalzell1]

To be honest, every Windows upgrade had its fair share of complaints:

1. Windows 3.0 "What?! I can't use the DOS Executive anymore?"
2. Windows 95 "Start menu?! What was wrong with Program Manager?!
3. Windows 8 "Wait! What happened to my start menu?
4. Windows 10 "My start menu has ads in it!
5. Windows 11 "My start menu looks like a Mac Dock!"

Can't please everyone. But I still say, pick one thing, let people get used to it, and just leave everything alone and focus on bug fixes/security only. We don't need constant UI changes to be happy. Some of us just want to click an app and use stuff.

 

[Bandaman]

To be honest, every Windows upgrade had its fair share of complaints:

1. Windows 3.0 "What?! I can't use the DOS Executive anymore?"
2. Windows 95 "Start menu?! What was wrong with Program Manager?!
3. Windows 8 "Wait! What happened to my start menu?
4. Windows 10 "My start menu has ads in it!
5. Windows 11 "My start menu looks like a Mac Dock!"

Can't please everyone. But I still say, pick one thing, let people get used to it, and just leave everything alone and focus on bug fixes/security only. We don't need constant UI changes to be happy. Some of us just want to click an app and use stuff.

There is literally nothing about the Windows 11 start menu that looks like a Mac anything. Unless you mean the taskbar with the icons that are defaulted to the middle, and that still looks like nothing on the Mac.

 

[nickdalzell1]

It's not my complaint; I actually like the UI of 11. Just a few that I've heard from various family members/friends over three decades of computing.

 

[grmlin]

Well, I guess it had more to do with any IE dependence being offline, which would definitely be more secure, but in 2017 Windows 10 was only two-years old. Not too many IP camera companies could see the future.

Flash was dead long before that. They should have upgraded their software, but that doesn’t help you of course

 

[nickdalzell1]

True but certain companies have short attention spans. Flash didn't get totally EOL'd until December 2020. I guess a few holdouts (like someone using Internet Explorer) refused to accept reality.

Still, I feel sorry for the three people left who used NewGrounds or NeoPets.

Just from searching, a lot of IP camera companies have horrible software solutions depending on Flash, outdated ActiveX or even Windows XP. I occasionally spot an ATM that has a XP BSoD on it from time to time.

 

[MBAir2010]

Our local news warned people in our area not to be near any windows.
wonder if they meant windows 10 thru '95 or did apple just buy out the Tv Station?

 

[ackmondual]

She's the boss. She knows enough to modify admin accounts and blacklist browsers but not enough to stop using fake antivirus software, Internet Explorer or Yahoo! Mail. It makes my brain hurt. She literally owns the business. I can do nothing except go to my new shop building and avoid her. Besides, her daughter runs stuff now, boss has moved on. But the issues remain. If I so much as touch that PC for anything other than parts lookup, I'm in huge trouble.

I'm just going to get popcorn and wait for the response when Windows 11 gets installed OTA and she wonders where her IE went. It's not my PC, and my building might get all ripped apart to replace the entire camera system but oh well.

I really do feel pity for her. All she knows is Internet Explorer. Can you imagine that? Were there folks who's lives were forever hurt with Adobe Flash being EOL? I guess I'm lucky I do most stuff offline.

Out of sheer laziness and indifference, I used Internet Explorer for the longest time. Only when several sites I frequent announced they would no longer really support IE, or when I discovered that functionality I used to have was lost, that I switched to Firefox. It's a bit jarring at first (the ol' "we are creatures of habit"), but I did get over it. Not to mention making the switch from win7 to win10 when I got a new computer (although it helps that most of everything still worked fine. Some improvements to the OS' UI to boot)

 

[martin2345uk]

I really hope they reintroduce the option to have ungrouped and labelled taskbar icons, it was so much handier when you have several windows of one programme open…

 

[grmlin]

I really hope they reintroduce the option to have ungrouped and labelled taskbar icons, it was so much handier when you have several windows of one programme open…

No idea how many hours I already wasted by clicking through taskbar popup windows. Especially annoying as I use an Ultrawide with more horizontal space in the taskbar than I would ever need

 

[nickdalzell1]

She's a holdout from the Windows 3.1 era. Back then the only alternative to IE was Netscape, and it wasn't as supported. She was pretty much born/raised in Win3.11 and IE. I too, used IE until version 6 became the fiasco it was and then it was just a method of downloading Firefox.

She has literally a hundred desktop shortcuts across two monitors as she never adjusted or 'got used to' the Start Menu. She couldn't fathom the inefficiency of click start, mouse over programs, microsoft office, oops! missed the menu, got to try again. Start, programs, Microsoft Office, Word. ok. It was really a mess. I don't love the start menu either. I, too, preferred Program Manager, with tiled configuration where every app was a mere double-click away. She just needs to learn how to pin and use the search. I don't see how she can tell which of those 100+ shortcuts is the contacts info, or the inventory lists.

I'm old fashioned but this is ridiculous. I literally cannot fathom how anyone uses Yahoo! Mail or IE in 2022. It's like someone still using AOL dial-up in 2022. You have to be a whole nother level of stubborn to handle that today. but then again, our local Office Depot still sells dot-matrix printers and fax machines in 2022. Go figure.

Then you got my parents, who are boomers and took to Windows 11 like it was second-nature.

 

[diamond.g]

She's a holdout from the Windows 3.1 era. Back then the only alternative to IE was Netscape, and it wasn't as supported. She was pretty much born/raised in Win3.11 and IE. I too, used IE until version 6 became the fiasco it was and then it was just a method of downloading Firefox.

She has literally a hundred desktop shortcuts across two monitors as she never adjusted or 'got used to' the Start Menu. She couldn't fathom the inefficiency of click start, mouse over programs, microsoft office, oops! missed the menu, got to try again. Start, programs, Microsoft Office, Word. ok. It was really a mess. I don't love the start menu either. I, too, preferred Program Manager, with tiled configuration where every app was a mere double-click away. She just needs to learn how to pin and use the search. I don't see how she can tell which of those 100+ shortcuts is the contacts info, or the inventory lists.

I'm old fashioned but this is ridiculous. I literally cannot fathom how anyone uses Yahoo! Mail or IE in 2022. It's like someone still using AOL dial-up in 2022. You have to be a whole nother level of stubborn to handle that today.

Wait I thought MS didn’t include IE in Win11?

 

[nickdalzell1]

Wait I thought MS didn’t include IE in Win11?

They don't. The work PC is still on Windows 10. Now, how long it remains that way, is another question. My parents aren't outdated IE slaves. My boss however, is.

 

[Madhatter32]

I'm old fashioned but this is ridiculous. I literally cannot fathom how anyone uses Yahoo! Mail or IE in 2022.

Why can't you fathom people using Yahoo! Mail? Is Gmail really any different? Or iCloud Mail for that matter. I still have an AOL account from years ago. And, it still works. It's dedicated to receiving investment reports. It's not my primary email but, really, what am I missing?

 

[nickdalzell1]

Why can't you fathom people using Yahoo! Mail? Is Gmail really any different? Or iCloud Mail for that matter. I still have an AOL account from years ago. And, it still works. It's dedicated to receiving investment reports. It's not my primary email but, really, what am I missing?

It's an outdated platform and has far more numorous security issues. Yahoo! shouldn't even exist in this day and age. I'd be surprised if many people used it for a search engine today.

It's like using a dot-matrix printer or dial-up internet. It's one thing to be out of touch, but if you're using dial-up or a dot matrix printer in 2022 you have to be seriously ignorant of modern standards. It's like clinging madly to an old fashioned adding machine instead of using a calculator. A very impractical (and potentially insecure) idea. Much like using Internet Explorer in 2022.

Yahoo! Mail is a joke like AOL today. It not long ago has some goofy paywall to just format emails to fit the screen. Litearlly a subscription just for simple word wrapping!

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign/comments/pmc29c
EDITED due to 'clbuttic mistake' in the formatting of the previous url. Tried starring out part of the subreddit's name.

TIL other businesses think like my boss!

 

[Madhatter32]

It's an outdated platform and has far more numorous security issues. Yahoo! shouldn't even exist in this day and age. I'd be surprised if many people used it for a search engine today.

It's like using a dot-matrix printer or dial-up internet. It's one thing to be out of touch, but if you're using dial-up or a dot matrix printer in 2022 you have to be seriously ignorant of modern standards. It's like clinging madly to an old fashioned adding machine instead of using a calculator. A very impractical (and potentially insecure) idea. Much like using Internet Explorer in 2022.

Yahoo! Mail is a joke like AOL today. It not long ago has some goofy paywall to just format emails to fit the screen. Litearlly a subscription just for simple word wrapping!

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign/comments/pmc29c
EDITED due to 'clbuttic mistake' in the formatting of the previous url. Tried starring out part of the subreddit's name.

Okay thanks. I was aware of the big hacking incident in the past but thought it was a secure site now with all the new security updates it made including 2 factor authorization. Looks like you are saying that it is still unsafe and alternatives like GMail are a better option.

 

[nickdalzell1]

I would trust actual enterprise email servers on a business level over Yahoo!. Home users can do what they want but I don't see trusting your financial stuff to a long-outdated platform like Yahoo!. Or AOL. IMO Yahoo! should have been EOL'd ages ago.

They got 2-factor now? My mom's very old Yahoo! Mail address didn't require one when setting up her new PC she got for Christmas! My parents might be top notch Windows 11 users, but even they rely on something as bad as Yahoo!. Thankfully they don't stick to IE. They use Edge/Chrome.