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nickdalzell1

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Oh, you don't have to be a gamer to be trolled by Windows 10 updates. I've lost 10+ browser tabs at work due to it. Yeah, sure, Edge tries to 'restore' pages on restart but it never works right! I feel sorry for anyone who's a student who gets one of those unexpected restarts after having typed up multiple pages on Word for a school composition. Makes me glad that I grew up in the era of DOS and Professional Write.

The concept of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' apparently means nothing to people today.
 

grmlin

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Oh My God!

the latest update broke the Taskbar again, this time even further than before. EVERY TIME I put my PC to sleep and wake it up, Windows welcomes me with some stupid error dialog about the taskbar and all settings get reset.
EVERY SINGLE TIME

I don't get it, how can you screw this up this bad.
 
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DaveFromCampbelltown

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Oh My God!

the latest update broke the Taskbar again, this time even further than before. EVERY TIME I put my PC to sleep and wake it up, Windows welcomes me with some stupid error dialog about the taskbar and all settings get reset.
EVERY SINGLE TIME

I don't get it, how can you screw this up this bad.

Microsoft have had years and years of practice, starting with Vista, and before that, Word 6. I was providing tech support at a University when it came out, and we had more Word 6 problems than all others combined.
 
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ackmondual

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Microsoft have had years and years of practice, starting with Vista, and before that, Word 6. I was providing tech support at a University when it came out, and we had more Word 6 problems than all others combined.
Is it also safe to say Word 6 was the most used product? So assuming that, it had A LOT of calls even for something that was widely used?
 

grmlin

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I know I know, it's software, software has bugs. I'm a developer myself lol.

BUT, there are no excuses for the stupid taskbar, which worked fine for decades and is such a buggy disaster now... no, I don't understand how one of the key UI elements of an operating system used by a zillion people can be that buggy. Feature-incomplete? Sucks too and is really sad, but buggy? No, unacceptable.
 

ackmondual

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I know I know, it's software, software has bugs. I'm a developer myself lol.

BUT, there are no excuses for the stupid taskbar, which worked fine for decades and is such a buggy disaster now... no, I don't understand how one of the key UI elements of an operating system used by a zillion people can be that buggy. Feature-incomplete? Sucks too and is really sad, but buggy? No, unacceptable.
Heh.. I believe they wonder why people aren't more excited about getting a new major version of software, or even updates :D
 

DaveFromCampbelltown

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Is it also safe to say Word 6 was the most used product? So assuming that, it had A LOT of calls even for something that was widely used?

No, this was a University, so there was lots of SPSS, WordPerfect, and other software packages used. As well, these calls happened after upgrade from Word 5.5 to Word 6. So they weren't new users, they were upgraded users.
 

diamond.g

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Weird, are you on an insider build?
I know I know, it's software, software has bugs. I'm a developer myself lol.

BUT, there are no excuses for the stupid taskbar, which worked fine for decades and is such a buggy disaster now... no, I don't understand how one of the key UI elements of an operating system used by a zillion people can be that buggy. Feature-incomplete? Sucks too and is really sad, but buggy? No, unacceptable.
 
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nickdalzell1

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Windows 11 still working flawlessly on my Lenovo ideapad 3 laptop, along with all the 'unsupported' laptops.

I've adjusted to the rounded corners so well that using Windows 10 feels visually jarring at work. The apps have updated (specifically, Edge, Mail, Store, etc) to the Windows 11 UI but have the sharp corners. Is there a way to round them off in 10?
 
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MBAir2010

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Oh My God!

the latest update broke the Taskbar again, this time even further than before. EVERY TIME I put my PC to sleep and wake it up, Windows welcomes me with some stupid error dialog about the taskbar and all settings get reset.
EVERY SINGLE TIME

I don't get it, how can you screw this up this bad.
this would drive me crazy,
that and trying to remember how to backlight the keyboard again.
 

grmlin

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this would drive me crazy,
that and trying to remember how to backlight the keyboard again.
This and the constantly glitching scaling are the reason I’m using a screen saver for hours at this point. Just to make sure this tragedy of a system doesn’t go to sleep ?

It can also be a problem of my laptop with Windows. But what do I know
 

dfritchie

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I am having no issues at all on my HP AMD powered laptop, everything is working better than win 10 at this point. Runs even better on my hack tower, so much so that I rarely boot up macOS anymore.
Win 11 is pretty much my main OS now since it works so good.
 

DaveFromCampbelltown

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I really have no problems with Win 11 running on my late 2015 iMac. I just have to use Twocanoes Winclone to set it up on an external SSD. That works better for me because my iMac has an internal Fusion drive. When Bootcamp software sets up Windows it only adds a partition to the Hard Drive part, and so Windows runs as slow as a wet week. Running on an SSD it is still the slowest of my three OS's (macOS, Ubuntu Linux and Win 11).
 
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nickdalzell1

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Does anyone know what the **real** storage used by Windows 11 is? I have a laptop at work that's only got 32GB of internal and runs Windows 10. I thought of bypassing the TPM and other requirements like the other 'unsupported' units but am not sure if it can handle the install on such measly space. The lowest I've successfully installed Windows 11 onto was the 150GB 7200rpm drive on the Acer.

I'm personally sick of Windows 10 and its idiot proofing. It has been stuck on a OneDrive sync for over a week, trying to upload 950MB of data that is not correct-the amount only adds up to 15MB max. On top of that, it's still got the annoying 'one more thing to check off' update nag that thankfully Windows 11 has removed (in my experience, Win 11 actually waits without bugging you), it tends to close apps it feels are using too much memory (oddly enough that's the mail app, when Edge uses far more resources...go figure!) along with the most annoying and still unfixed since 2015 bug, it thinking there's internet when there ain't, or the inverse, it assuming there's no connection (earth with 'just say no symbol' inside it) when there actually is, breaking apps and UWP stuff but the browser works fine.
 

sracer

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Does anyone know what the **real** storage used by Windows 11 is? I have a laptop at work that's only got 32GB of internal and runs Windows 10. I thought of bypassing the TPM and other requirements like the other 'unsupported' units but am not sure if it can handle the install on such measly space. The lowest I've successfully installed Windows 11 onto was the 150GB 7200rpm drive on the Acer.

I'm personally sick of Windows 10 and its idiot proofing. It has been stuck on a OneDrive sync for over a week, trying to upload 950MB of data that is not correct-the amount only adds up to 15MB max. On top of that, it's still got the annoying 'one more thing to check off' update nag that thankfully Windows 11 has removed (in my experience, Win 11 actually waits without bugging you), it tends to close apps it feels are using too much memory (oddly enough that's the mail app, when Edge uses far more resources...go figure!) along with the most annoying and still unfixed since 2015 bug, it thinking there's internet when there ain't, or the inverse, it assuming there's no connection (earth with 'just say no symbol' inside it) when there actually is, breaking apps and UWP stuff but the browser works fine.
I'm puzzled by the thought that Win10 engages in more idiot-proofing than Win 11. In my experience, Win 11 does far more to insulate the user from the system.

On my Asus Vivobook E203MA, 2GB RAM, 32GB eMMC storage, I can get free space up to 10GB with Win 10. After installing MS Office and other key productivity apps, it drops to 8GB.

So far, I haven't been able to get Win 11 installed on it yet.
 
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nickdalzell1

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Windows 10 has a few that annoy me today:

1. Try setting a static IP address for your wifi. It tells you it's not possible for some reason, claiming the settings are invalid. Go to the old fashioned control panel, change it via the adapter settings, works fine. It obviously was NOT invalid

2. The annoying push for updates, eventually interrupting your work and rebooting anyway. It will endlessly nag you until you cave or it forces it on you. Windows 11 shows an icon in taskbar and waits until YOU are ready

3. The start menu in 10 is an amalgamation of Windows 8 child-like UI and a proper start menu. The start menu in 11 is cleaner and not full of gimmicks, or animated ads for Candy Crush.

4. Windows 10 closes apps it [incorrectly] assumes you're either not using or are using what it deems are too many resources. The amount of times it closed out Mail for no damn reason is too many to count. Windows 11 doesn't mess with my apps.

Just four off-the-top-of-my-head
 

exoticSpice

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The start menu in 10 is an amalgamation of Windows 8 child-like UI and a proper start menu. The start menu in 11 is cleaner and not full of gimmicks, or animated ads for Candy Crush.
But they put Tik-Tok and other fake ad apps on the start menu.

Another reason why I like Gnome and macOS better, no start menus. Just the dock and/or spotlight search.

MS still puts ads in windows start menus btw, just more cleverly hidden.
 
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