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Yesterday our southern state lost internet, and I went through files and photos for several hours
on MacBook air and Dell XPS 13"
I realized Windows has a more tech like feel and more business like
while the MacBook air did the same tasks, but in fewer less steps and simpler?
just like in 1990!
And the Dell has an incredible screen and much quicker response time.
Im sure the M1 MacBooks would outperform the Dell, but not by much.
I also handbraked some Tv shows, the mac mini fan noise was constant, while the Dell was quiet.
even with the i7 processor in the mini, but that was an older generation.
As far as the candy crush and fluffyness, many computer users globally want that in their PCs.
If you use WSL correctly it's almost as fast as a native Linux installation. A virtual machine is very different to WSL
This depends on single core speed of a CPU. When the M1's first launched they had the best single core speed.
That's why M1 Macs felt so snappy and quick. Intel caught up with alder lake. Now, Intel computers and Apple Macs should be around the same, intel maybe quicker in some single core loads due to higher freqency.
At the at end of the day compatibility is what matters to most users. Right now Intel and Windows has best compatibilty with all software ie business, games and dev.
So if your Dell had a proper high end mobile 12th gen chip it would be on par with M1, battery life will be less due to older node.
thank you for your reply, everyone were i worked used PC for coding, posting social media and graphics.
there was a iMac that ran final cut everyone stayed away from, and getting that on the network was a huge task!
i can't see my Dell XPS go any faster as far as response like switching programs or using functions like cut and paste. bit i could see a major difference is coping speeds and battery life with the newer 12 get processor.
Yes, but it is not designed by MS to run graphical applications. Yes, you can, but you need to fiddle with the system.
Installing Ubuntu Mate or Linux Cinnamon under VMware is faster and simpler, it runs just as fast as a native installation, and It Just Works™
The thing is MS will impove it. Windows 10 looked bad when it launched. Win11 will also improve.
It's IMO infinitely better than Windows 10. Windows 10 tried too hard to be both Windows 8 and Windows 7 and failed at both. I definitely don't miss the earliest version of Microsoft Edge.
I don't have Tik Tok or any 'ads' in my start menu? Maybe your systems have malware on them like the work PC with the fake security software? No Candy Crush, no anything I didn't install or didn't come preloaded from Lenovo. At the least, there's none of that animated tile crap and the menu no longer takes over more than 75% of the screen to show them. I never understood the purpose of Live Tiles. Maybe on Windows Phone it made sense but on Windows 10 it did not; just wasted CPU cycles if you ask me.
People keep making the joke about Tik Tok and Facebook being forced and unremovable on Samsung phones as well, but I never had them on my S20 FE at all.
I don't have Tik Tok or any 'ads' in my start menu? Maybe your systems have malware on them like the work PC with the fake security software? No Candy Crush, no anything I didn't install or didn't come preloaded from Lenovo. At the least, there's none of that animated tile crap and the menu no longer takes over more than 75% of the screen to show them. I never understood the purpose of Live Tiles. Maybe on Windows Phone it made sense but on Windows 10 it did not; just wasted CPU cycles if you ask me.
People keep making the joke about Tik Tok and Facebook being forced and unremovable on Samsung phones as well, but I never had them on my S20 FE at all.
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These extra apps are easily uninstallable and less in your face than Windows 10. I had Tik-Tok and Prime on my Win11 installation. No real big issue, as said easy to remove but prefer it not be there in first place.
I also like the animations in the task bar and dare I say it's more fun than macOS. macOS has become stale with it's years old animations. Apple just themes it 'newer' every 6-7 years and that's it. Apple adds no functionality to the OS like window management still sucks in macOS.
How can a full Linux installation in a VM run faster than WSL 2?
It’s the beauty of WSL 2 that I don’t have to mess around with a second operating system and UI on top of Windows. Sure, running an Xserver in Windows isn’t the greatest experience but it works good enough and if you can use VS Code it’s not an issue anyway.
I know, it's still different than VMware for example, which can't use the same virtualization layer unless they changed that? Not sure.
Anyway, WSL is "just a shell", there is no way a full blown OS including a desktop environment like Ubuntu runs faster than this, virtualized
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I benchmark operating systems by running a special LaTeX compile of a long document. Specifically the text lshort.tex, which is a 150+ page book. It is a good benchmark because it uses the CPU to its fullest and exercises storage by reading thousands and writing hundreds of files. It is also a real-world benchmark, running a normal task, not an artificial benchmark created to make a point.
It takes some 50 seconds to compile using TeXLive under Windows.
It takes some 20 seconds under Ubuntu WSL using TeXLive.
It takes some 18 seconds under Ubuntu VMWare using TeXLive
It takes some 16 seconds under Ubuntu native install.
This is all on the same hardware, a late 2015 iMac.
All operating systems are installed on external USB3 Samsung T5 SSDs.
With VMWare I can control how much RAM, how many CPUs and how much storage is given to the VM.
With WSL I am at the mercy of what Windows will give.
Conclusion -- For my purposes, using Ubuntu under VMWare Player is comparably as fast, if not faster, than WSL. Furthermore, it is much easier to then install the Kile LaTeX editor and edit LaTeX files under VMWare than WSL.
I would encourage people to run the tests before they make pronouncements about performance.
It takes some 50 seconds to compile using TeXLive under Windows.
It takes some 20 seconds under Ubuntu WSL using TeXLive.
It takes some 18 seconds under Ubuntu VMWare using TeXLive
It takes some 16 seconds under Ubuntu native install.
This is all on the same hardware, a late 2015 iMac.
All operating systems are installed on external USB3 Samsung T5 SSDs.
With VMWare I can control how much RAM, how many CPUs and how much storage is given to the VM.
With WSL I am at the mercy of what Windows will give.
Conclusion -- For my purposes, using Ubuntu under VMWare Player is comparably as fast, if not faster, than WSL. Furthermore, it is much easier to then install the Kile LaTeX editor and edit LaTeX files under VMWare than WSL.
I would encourage people to run the tests before they make pronouncements about performance.
WSL does not replace virtual machines, totally different use case.
The Win11 animations bring a bit of whimsy back. macOS used to be that way but that was pre-Yosemite. Once the whole flat UI bandwagon came up, everything has been mostly generic, blinding white and boring. No one wants to differentiate any more. It's a homogenized world. But I am hoping that like Windows 8 playing a part in making Flat UI a thing, that Windows 11 is gonna play a part in bringing back the fancy graphics we lost in 2013. Hopefully this time it sticks and no one wants to revert to the past again. Please, leave flat design in the 1980s where it belongs, right next to Tandy DeskMate, Microsoft Windows 1.x, and System 6.
ok. But the diffference is only 2 seconds using WSL2 and VMware.
Also WSL2 does have GUI. see: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/tutorials/gui-apps
Benefits that WSL2 have
WSL 2 enables Linux GUI applications to feel native and natural to use on Windows.
- Launch Linux apps from the Windows Start menu
- Pin Linux apps to the Windows task bar
- Use alt-tab to switch between Linux and Windows apps
- Cut + Paste across Windows and Linux apps
I must say Windows 11 is not as stable as macOS 12.3.1.
The Task Bar still freezes and the calender/wifi/sound panel is way to slow.
macOS does make up for it's UI poorness by giving stability.
The Task Bar still freezes and the calender/wifi/sound panel is way to slow.
macOS does make up for it's UI poorness by giving stability.
WSL 1 was a fun idea extremely poorly executed, as IO speed was unacceptable bad.
WSL 2 now has some sort of GUI support, but that sucks and is worse than running an Xserver. (that's my personal experience, of course)
WSL integrates into Windows, it's a shell that feels like the real thing, but in Windows. A VM is totally different and a pain to work with if you ask me.
I don't know anything about LaTex performance, the last time I used it was to write my diploma thesis 15 years ago. But I'm a developer using node, TypeScript, Docker.... that kind of stuff. WSL 2 is real fast and faster than a comparable Mac and almost as fast as a native Linux installation.
WSL 2 now has some sort of GUI support, but that sucks and is worse than running an Xserver. (that's my personal experience, of course)
WSL integrates into Windows, it's a shell that feels like the real thing, but in Windows. A VM is totally different and a pain to work with if you ask me.
You can configure these things, of course
Advanced settings configuration in WSL
A guide to the wsl.conf and .wslconfig files used for configuring settings when running multiple Linux distributions on Windows Subsystem for Linux.
docs.microsoft.com
I don't know anything about LaTex performance, the last time I used it was to write my diploma thesis 15 years ago. But I'm a developer using node, TypeScript, Docker.... that kind of stuff. WSL 2 is real fast and faster than a comparable Mac and almost as fast as a native Linux installation.
mine just crashed again and was reset to defaults after waking up my PC. I hate it
Which Mac is the question?
The recent M Series Macs like M1, M1 Max etc.. or Intel macs.
oh my the Taskbar is 100% worse in windows 11. Every thing is slow or freezes but the only good thing are the animations.
I am not sure if it still shows in Win11 (I am on a Win10 system right now) but can you hit start and type reliability? There was a "tool" called Reliability Monitor in the old Control Panel that would show various failures or warnings. Maybe the cause of Explorer (which manages the taskbar/start menu) crashing/hanging would show there.
Shoot maybe even DWM errors may show there, though I am beginning to think it may just be Explorer that is crapping itself instead of DWM (I feel like if DWM dies it forces you to log off in the process).
there is a delay sometimes to open start and typing. The whole OS feels as though it's a beta.