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nickdalzell1

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Steam does allow you to block game updates
Nope. If your client is in online mode and an update is available, you get 'Update required' instead of a Play button. You can't play the game until the update installs. You can choose to keep it updated automatically, or upon launch but that's it.

My client is NOT broken. It just keeps trying to update itself without my permission. I finally stopped it from doing so. It took hacking that shouldn't be needed but it got done, no thanks to them. They removed offline achievements and the display of achievements in the later client You have to open a separate part of the UI to display the achievements when they used to be in a grid where the game selection was. I don't want to be online to earn the darned things.

If all updates did was improve performance, security and so on, and left the UI alone, I'd agree. But until they can stop messing with the UI and breaking mods, no thanks.
 

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Nope. If your client is in online mode and an update is available, you get 'Update required' instead of a Play button. You can't play the game until the update installs. You can choose to keep it updated automatically, or upon launch but that's it.
oh did not know that!
 

nickdalzell1

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No, I'm more of a Wii U fan. I don't own one but am keeping a watch for a used one someday. I'm a fan of 2010-2014 tech.

Long ago, Steam had an option within the client that was titled 'do not update this game'. It was worded incorrectly. It eventually got changed to 'only update this game when I launch it' but the behavior was the same before the change. The only way to truly block game updates is to either keep Steam offline forever, or edit app manifest files to fool the client to thinking the game is already up to date, and set those files read only.
 

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Yeah that's why I want one. The Switch has more of the same flat UI crap.
Yep. I hope Nintendo changes their UI/OS look on their next console. They always change their UI on every console.
But since their consoles last 5-7 years I don't mind getting a fresh new look when I get a new console.
 

nickdalzell1

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No one is going away from flat UI design. Not even Android. I fear we're stuck with it much like all the other forms of stagnant homogenized crap. Windows 11 is as close as we get to the classic Windows 7.

If we never reverted to flat UI design imagine how much better things would be. We might have holographic displays ala Iron Man but no, we had to revisit the worst part of the 1980s!

I still find it ironic that car infotainment displays still do skeuomorphic UI.
 

giv-as-a-ciggy-kent

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No one is going away from flat UI design. Not even Android. I fear we're stuck with it much like all the other forms of stagnant homogenized crap. Windows 11 is as close as we get to the classic Windows 7.

If we never reverted to flat UI design imagine how much better things would be. We might have holographic displays ala Iron Man but no, we had to revisit the worst part of the 1980s!

I still find it ironic that car infotainment displays still do skeuomorphic UI.

I'd take 1980s 16 color design aesthetic over the windows metro flat abomination any day. my pc is on windows 7 with old (classic) ui enabled and I will run it as long as I possibly can. Windows 8 was bad, windows 10 was horrendous, and windows 11 is an atrocity.
 
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nickdalzell1

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TBH, I miss Program Manager from Windows 3.1. Windows 8 I hoped would bring it back in a modernized state, but the gesture system (which I always triggered by accident via touchpads) ruined the experience. A lot of UWP apps then required gestures that you never knew unless you triggered them by accident. It took a long time to figure out how to download a darn Kindle book!

Alas, 256color.bmp doesn't quite work on a modern system!

I also miss the sounds PCs made. Old MFM hard disks powering up, disk access checks, it was like music:


Today's PCs are so silent it's...unsettling.
 
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Windows 11 is as close as we get to the classic Windows 7.
no way. Windows 7 was a masterclass in UI design. Everything was the same. the icons, the UI and even the widgets had the Windows 7 interface.

Windows 11 has elements from Win7, Win8 and Win10. No way unified like Win7.
 
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exoticSpice

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No one is going away from flat UI design. Not even Android. I fear we're stuck with it much like all the other forms of stagnant homogenized crap. Windows 11 is as close as we get to the classic Windows 7.

If we never reverted to flat UI design imagine how much better things would be. We might have holographic displays ala Iron Man but no, we had to revisit the worst part of the 1980s!

I still find it ironic that car infotainment displays still do skeuomorphic UI.
I guess we will see. Nintendo always has something new. More inventive than Sony and MS who just bark specs.

Nintendo hate them or love them provide experiences. wii sports and Switch Sports would never be fun on a PC.

I was 100% going to get the next nintendo console. likely due in 2024. I did not get the switch cause I had my Wii U.
 

grmlin

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Roll back to Windows 10?
I know you didn't mean me, but I need WSL 2 and they stopped doing anything with it in 10. :/
no way. Windows 7 was a masterclass in UI design. Everything was the same. the icons, the UI and even the widgets had the Windows 7 interface.

Windows 11 has elements from Win7, Win8 and Win10. No way unified like Win7.
you forgot 3.1. It's both hilarious and impressive at the same time.

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Tozovac

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Windows 8 was a mess. They really love to **** things up. Whether I love it or hate it. I'll have to use it. At least for a while to learn the ropes. Just so I can help clients when they have issues with a new computer. Without looking like an idiot. Not knowing where MS hid the settings. When on site.

It’s funny, my biggest critique of Windows (and favorite thing about Apple) after switching to Mac in 2005 was how every clean sheet reinvention of Windows loudly screamed of “we really screwed things up last time, but check THIS out!!” Only to completely reinvent it again a few years later. While Apple kept refining and sticking with a good thing….until Steve died and Jony Ive started introducing mad reinventions of iOS and OSX to meet what just worked for his vision and standards and preferences instead of sticking to what was long-proven to just work for users.
 
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grmlin

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It’s funny, my biggest critique of Windows (and favorite thing about Apple) after switching to Mac in 2005 was how every clean sheet reinvention of Windows loudly screamed of “we really screwed things up last time, but check THIS out!!” Only to completely reinvent it again a few years later. While Apple kept refining and sticking with a good thing….until Steve died and Jony Ive started introducing mad reinventions of iOS and OSX to meet what just worked for his vision and standards and preferences instead of sticking to what was long-proven to just work for users.
Microsoft had a lot of really great ideas over the past decade (maybe?). But they never really committed, stopped half way through creating a mess we now have to deal with.
Windows 8 was different, like REALLY different. But they just gave up, and now we have Windows 11 which somewhat feels like a Windows 7 successor to me.

So much talent and great concepts wasted. It's sad.
 
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nickdalzell1

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It's funny. Apple believed in change just long enough to ruin iOS with version 7, and MacOS with version Yosemite, but then went back to stagnating again. I just looked at the Apple Watch display at Walmart yesterday. The series 7 looks the same as the Series 0. A tad larger display but the same overall design.

The iPhone lost the home button and gained a few cameras and larger screen, but overall remains the same. Stuck, much like all other tech. Blame the 'chip shortage' if you will, but everything looking alike and not improving/changing since 2015 really sucks.

I never meant to imply that Windows 11 is identical to Windows 7, but it does borrow elements. The icons have gained a sorta 3D look again, there's a type of Aero-inspired transparancy, and the widgets have returned. Give it time, and perhaps they'll usher in a return to skeuo as Windows 8 ushered in the abomination of flat UI design.

I can watch WWDC 2007 and it makes me truly want to buy an old iPhone 2G. Watching Steve do WWDC and then seeing modern WWDC with Tim just feels wrong. I used to be such a huge Apple fan back in 2009-13. Android during that time looked alright, but it lagged, rebooted itself often, and never felt right. Odd how the turn tables!

Ya know, I'd love to have an old Nokia N95. That phone had it all. Sliding keyboard, sliding media controls, and tons more. Sometimes I wonder, what will the future hold? Will iOS and Android ever get supplanted the way WebOS and Symbian was?
 

acmehax

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Will Windows 11 persuade anybody to switch over from macOS?
Probably not, but we will have to wait and see! ;)
It's not what Microsoft is doing that persuades people to change platforms, it's what Apple is doing. Apple is slowly but surely making MacOS (however u wanna number it) less and less usable as they continue to lock it up. They are basically attempting to make computers into very big iPhones primarily to prevent full utility of Apple hardware to anyone but Apple. Apple computers continue to lose market share and as their hardware prices continue to skyrocket and build quality and expandability continue to diminish. This trend is more likely to accelerate than reverse. Apple should do the computer industry a favor and spin off their computer operations and focus and what they know best, electronic fashion gadgets (EFG's) before they devolve the Mac Pro/iMac/Mac mini/MacBook Pro etc. into the old Macintosh of the MacOS 9 days which was only capable of 1 App on the screen at a time. lol ! Ok, i exaggerate a tad but Apple is more an appliance company than a computer company these days. Apple's destiny is a bound to the iPhone as Sauron's was to the one ring. BTW, I still prefer the MacOS environment to Windows. It's just a shame to watch it slink away from the power user.
 
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nickdalzell1

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Unveiling the next generation of Windows in June? I bought this Lenovo laptop in Februrary, and Windows 11 had already launched!
 

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Windows 11 is truly better in every way. UI design, reliability, and doing what I expect it to do. Windows 10 is always half-baked, idiot proof and annoying.
Are you a tinkerer or an "open the shrinkwrap and use it out of the box" type of person? I thought you were a tinkerer, but when you say that Win 11 is better in every way, I have to wonder. As a tinkerer myself, I have more control to bend Win 10 to my will than with Win 11. I don't incessantly tweak, just get it to where it suits my needs and then I move on with life.

You've said a few times that Win 10 is half-baked and idiot-proof and I have yet to see some specific examples of how Win 10 does those things but Win 11 doesn't.
 

grmlin

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Are you a tinkerer or an "open the shrinkwrap and use it out of the box" type of person? I thought you were a tinkerer, but when you say that Win 11 is better in every way, I have to wonder. As a tinkerer myself, I have more control to bend Win 10 to my will than with Win 11. I don't incessantly tweak, just get it to where it suits my needs and then I move on with life.

You've said a few times that Win 10 is half-baked and idiot-proof and I have yet to see some specific examples of how Win 10 does those things but Win 11 doesn't.
I used 10 since it released and now 11 since that released.

11 has rounded corners and a different but buggy as hell taskbar/start menu. Also UI changes here and there, but nothing too earth shattering as they don’t want to get rid of their decades old origins I guess.

Windows 8 has been more exiting for me, this is a Windows 10 feature update. Nothing else. With a major version bump to sell new PCs and copies of windows
 
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