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Windows 11

zakarhino said:
Why are people judging the update based on a leaked build that probably doesn't even have everything enabled?

I'm not looking to switch to Windows anytime soon (unless the niche theory about Windows transitioning to a Microsoft powered Linux distro in the future comes true) but I'm looking forward to seeing if Microsoft has anything innovative to announce outside of just giving everything a facelift.

I will say I prefer what I've seen from Windows 11's window management and multi desktop system over Apple's solution. Snapping windows around and creating desktops on the fly was so easy and fast on my Windows 10 system, I really hope Apple copies a similar implementation.
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That Apple didn't integrate something like Magnet or Rectangle yet is really weird. The stupid hover menu on the windows icons doesn't help much.

My problem with Windows is the amount of promises they made over the years and never fulfilled. I think it's very unlikely that this changes all of the sudden now.
 
AutomaticApple said:
It was a random Microsoft developer evangelist that stated so, not necessarily endorsed by Microsoft. The media ran with it and the rest is history.
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Hardly random. It was Jerry Nixon who was a "developer evangelist" and a "Microsoft employee" who was speaking at an official Microsoft event. And it wasn't like anyone at Microsoft came out later and corrected Nixon's statement. So yeah, everyone took that as the official statement that it was.

"Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10." That was the message from Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon, a developer evangelist speaking at the company's Ignite conferencethis week.
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https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows

In the end, it doesn't really matter. Companies are free to change their minds.
 
zakarhino said:
Why are people judging the update based on a leaked build that probably doesn't even have everything enabled?

I'm not looking to switch to Windows anytime soon (unless the niche theory about Windows transitioning to a Microsoft powered Linux distro in the future comes true) but I'm looking forward to seeing if Microsoft has anything innovative to announce outside of just giving everything a facelift.

I will say I prefer what I've seen from Windows 11's window management and multi desktop system over Apple's solution. Snapping windows around and creating desktops on the fly was so easy and fast on my Windows 10 system, I really hope Apple copies a similar implementation.
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Some people judge early because the reason that Microsoft releases/leaks early builds is to gauge user responses. If there is a boat-load of criticism, then Microsoft can send out apologists who tell people not to worry because it is simply an early build. ;)
 
I'm not pleased at all. They bothered the whole world with Windows as a Service and now they're going back to the old ways? What a freaking mess.
 
kb923689 said:
I'm not pleased at all. They bothered the whole world with Windows as a Service and now they're going back to the old ways? What a freaking mess.
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Everything that I have read doesn't seem to indicate that they are abandoning Windows as a Service. It seems like they decided to take Windows 10X and just name it Windows 11.
 
diamond.g said:
Everything that I have read doesn't seem to indicate that they are abandoning Windows as a Service. It seems like they decided to take Windows 10X and just name it Windows 11.
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They tried to create a thousand Windows 10 versions without success. They should stick to Win32. From what I have seen so far, Windows 11 is just like Windows 10 with the start different. It still has the same messy UI and two types of control panel.
 
diamond.g said:
Everything that I have read doesn't seem to indicate that they are abandoning Windows as a Service. It seems like they decided to take Windows 10X and just name it Windows 11.
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wasn't Windows 10X a fresh start? Or at least based on the bare minimum of Windows 10?
This is not a fresh start, it's just the theme of 10X put into 10 at least for the leaked build
 
grmlin said:
wasn't Windows 10X a fresh start? Or at least based on the bare minimum of Windows 10?
This is not a fresh start, it's just the theme of 10X put into 10 at least for the leaked build
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Nope. Microsoft claimed it was built from the ground up for modern PCs on top of what they called "Windows Core OS". That's all marketing-speak for Windows 10 with some new wallpaper and preloaded drives.

There is so much legacy bloat and junk that it is impossible for Microsoft to rebuild Windows from the ground up. All they can do is to add a letter suffix to the number "10" and tweak some flags under the covers.
 
sracer said:
Nope. Microsoft claimed it was built from the ground up for modern PCs on top of what they called "Windows Core OS". That's all marketing-speak for Windows 10 with some new wallpaper and preloaded drives.

There is so much legacy bloat and junk that it is impossible for Microsoft to rebuild Windows from the ground up. All they can do is to add a letter suffix to the number "10" and tweak some flags under the covers.
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I don't think that is 100% true. They do a pretty good job of making special versions of Windows for Xbox that doesn't include any legacy cruft.
 
sracer said:
Nope. Microsoft claimed it was built from the ground up for modern PCs on top of what they called "Windows Core OS". That's all marketing-speak for Windows 10 with some new wallpaper and preloaded drives.

There is so much legacy bloat and junk that it is impossible for Microsoft to rebuild Windows from the ground up. All they can do is to add a letter suffix to the number "10" and tweak some flags under the covers.
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What was the last fresh start, NT and then 2000 later?
diamond.g said:
I don't think that is 100% true. They do a pretty good job of making special versions of Windows for Xbox that doesn't include any legacy cruft.
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Who knows, maybe they use that ancient disk manager tool somewhere hidden deep inside, too 😂
 
Installed on VMware. The UI is basically equivalent to Windows 10. The only UI design changes I notice are the start menu, icons, and random tweaks(including animations). They did do a nice job if the icons.

There's also a bunch of minor changes and options. But overall, it's Windows 10 rebranded, at least when speaking about the UI.

Seems like the majority of improvements are under the hood. Seems very snappy. I did allocate 16gb and 4 cores to it though. All I can say is that this is the snappiest Windows I've ever used virtually. So hopefully that's a good sign.
 
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diamond.g said:
I don't think that is 100% true. They do a pretty good job of making special versions of Windows for Xbox that doesn't include any legacy cruft.
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I don't know anything about the XBox. I'm referring to the versions of Windows that run on x86 and ARM computers. If you look under the covers of Windows 10X, 10S, Windows RT, etc. it is the Windows that people love or hate in all its glory.
 
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LIVEFRMNYC said:
Installed on VMware. The UI is basically equivalent to Windows 10. The only UI design changes I notice are the start menu, icons, and random tweaks(including animations). They did do a nice job if the icons.

There's also a bunch of minor changes and options. But overall, it's Windows 10 rebranded, at least when speaking about the UI.

Seems like the majority of improvements are under the hood. Seems very snappy. I did allocate 16gb and 4 cores to it though. All I can say is that this is the snappiest Windows I've ever used virtually. So hopefully that's a good sign.
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great news, why ruin something that is excellent and works!

even without a credit card number!
 
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sracer said:
I don't know anything about the XBox. I'm referring to the versions of Windows that run on x86 and ARM computers. If you look under the covers of Windows 10X, 10S, Windows RT, etc. it is the Windows that people love or hate in all its glory.
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Are you talking explicitly about the Shell or the Kernel?
 
opeter said:
It would be interesting, if they would throw out (through the window) the 32-bit code once and for all. Time to move forward.

And Microsoft, please, fix finally the damn UI/UX. As bluecoast wrote, we still have a mix of icon and other elements from Windows 3.x, 9x, XP, 7 etc. era in Windows 10 21H1.
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The appeal of Windows is backwards compatibility. The world needs it very badly.
 
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I like the legacy bits. The most infuriating thing I had to deal with on other systems involves stupid flat UI design without a way back! Those 'legacy bits' not only allow me to continue playing Half Life 2 and Portal, but also keep my theme as skeuo as I prefer. Including running tons of legacy apps.

Now here's a good question: "What's this obsession with rounded corners"

Every UI is doing it lately. Mac, Samsung One UI, even stock Android in bits. I'm assuming Win11 will do the same (based on screenshots seen here)? Why? In case one isn't aware, the only reason rounded corners existed on MacOS since ages back was because of the shape of the CRT in early Macs tended to cut off UI elements such as scroll bars and so on. Why do we need a modern version?
 
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Windows and its legacy support destroys everything...just a UI exchange..they could easly named win10 "something"
 
Serban55 said:
Windows and its legacy support destroys everything...just a UI exchange..they could easly named win10 "something"
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You don't need an M1 mac to beat the pants off a Windows machine.

I use LaTeX, specifically the TeXLive implementation, on Mac, Windows and Linux.

To compile a particular file that comes with the install - lshort.tex - Mac takes 10 seconds, Ubuntu Linux takes 8 seconds and Windows (10 and 11) takes 25 seconds.

The leaked Win11 may be a troll. If it is, it is a very good troll, superbly executed, and could only have been done by someone very familiar with the entire Windows 10 codebase.

At some stage, if Microsoft wants to keep up with macOS and Linux, it is going to have to split into two streams --
  • Windows 10 Legacy for businesses and those who need to run old software that cannot be upgraded
  • Windows 11 Improved for new customers and those needing extra performance. This will need a completely new kernel and a specific, but limited, range of hardware.
And FFS, fix the Networking, get rid of the Registry and implement a locked down System.
 
Since I'm a cross-platform user, I may upgrade my Dell Optiplex 9010 to Windows 11 if it turns out to be pretty good. But I'll still mostly be using my M1 MacBook Air and quad-core i7 Mac Mini as my main computers.
 
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