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Windows Phone 7 "Mango" brings true multitasking
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Has Microsoft specifically banned flash for WP7 like Apple has done for iOS, or has Adobe just not got round to developing for it yet?
clearly MS has not
http://www.wpcentral.com/ie9-windows-phone-7-adobe-flash-demos-and-development-videos
Just it is not out yet. And if you go back another year you would learn it was going to be developed so being to demo with in 6 months of OS release is pretty good considering only like 14 months ago they announced WP7.
Of the major mobile os's only Apple is the one blocking flash. MS HTML5 demos prove that HTML5 is not ready for prime time as you look at all the issues different browsers are having with them. Flash is not going anywhere for a long time.
Haha I got rated down for that. Whatever.
Thats because its only cool to make fun of Mac's on Macrumors
Not to mention look at the people this thread attracted, and then look at their other posts and you'll see why you got rated down (I ranked you up though since it was funny!)It's true that iOS was missing features when it first came out. But the smartphone market is much more different than it was back then. For example, before the iPhone, features such as pinch-to-zoom and orientation-switching were not very common. These days, it's unacceptable to leave them out. Also, Windows Phone 7 has to first compete with Android. The same OEMs (e.g. Samsung) who build Android phones build WP7 phones. They need incentive to invest significantly in WP7, especially when they have to not only pay for the license, but also have less opportunity to differentiate it.
I remember that Apple's omission of certain features was chalked up to Apple's desire to get them right rather than rush them out half-baked. However, I don't think that is Microsoft's holdup. There is a much deeper problem. A CEO of a business cannot afford to be reactive. A good CEO foresees trends, and this is what makes investors so worried about Steve Jobs and his health. His value to Apple is in his tremendous foresight. Microsoft's problem is a lack of vision. Forget WP7 with multitasking. WP7 itself wasn't even out until November 2010. It was announced at least a year prior. Microsoft should have foreseen those trends. Ballmer did not expect the iPhone to sell at all. I am sure that if WP7 had come out in late 2008, the smartphone war would have been about iOS vs. WP7 rather than iOS vs. Android and Android would not have become anywhere near as successful.
While it's true that Ballmer was a total idiot for what he said about the iPhone in 2007, I fail to see what that has to do with WP7 being incomplete at the moment. Maybe you should hold off until the big WP7 event on Tuesday, all the details regarding "Mango" will come to light.
I agree, Windows Phone 7 isn't missing much. I mean maybe it's not quite as feature-rich as iOS, but it does 99% of what I need it to do, and it does 99% of that perfectly. I have no complaints with it.
Thats because its only cool to make fun of Mac's on Macrumors
This is exactly why I don't get the whole ranking system and don't bother with it. Yeah, I could rank you down Mr threeletterusernamesurroundedbyasterisks but would it really make you change your mind or show people that you are incorrect? No. You just end up getting into pointless ranking wars with users.
I can't understand why MR chose to add this system. The sooner it's removed the better in my opinion.
Anyway, back on topic...
Strictly speaking, when Ballmer laughed at the iPhone in 2007, he was laughing about the fact that it was $600 w/ a two year contract. Sure initial sales were decent, but dropped off pretty quickly.
Apple dropped the price to $400 a few months later and the iPhone really didn't steam ahead until the 3G and subsidised price of $200.
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Are there any articles out there with a decent rundown of what was announced today?
Are there any articles out there with a decent rundown of what was announced today?
I doubt Ballmer ridiculed it because of the price, but because he didn't understand why consumer would need a smartphone.
"Would I trade 96% of the market for 4% of the market? I want to have products that appeal to everybody," he said. "We'll get a chance to go through this [Apple versus Microsoft debate] again in phones and music players. There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance. It's a $500 subsidized item. They may make a lot of money. But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold, I'd prefer to have our software in 60% or 70% or 80% of them, than I would to have 2% or 3%, which is what Apple might get."
And it didnt gain any significant marketshare until the $200 price point
Yup, a total buffoon with no vision. You'd think by 2007 given the string of runaway Apple hits, Ballmer would have at least ****.
I only see one hit still.
Remember this was 2007. Also in 2011 I only see 2 hits since we group iTunes with iPod.
Frankly the MacMini and MobileMe suck and the iMac wasnt/isnt a hit.
MobileMe certainly isn't a hit. It bearly works the best of times. The amount of times I've had my Calendar or Contacts deleted thanks to the unreliability of that overpriced product is unreal. Not to mention, iDisk is awfully slow.
I'll give you the first three. MobileMe is a big no. The other two are mehs.
Man Go. Similar to how the Microsoft Zune squirted the brown stuff?
Exactly. Microsoft shills voting against Apple users on an Apple site.
Thats because its only cool to make fun of Mac's on Macrumors
Exactly. Microsoft shills voting against Apple users on an Apple site.
Mobile me a run away hit, oh come on now you're stretching it. MobileMe is anything but a run away hit. When it was called iTools and free, it was but charging 100 bucks for nearly the same features of what was previously free is a major fail
The iPhone had multitasking by allowing you to make a phone call and surf the web or play music at the same time. Saying that it didn't have any multitasking really wouldn't be accurate. True multitasking in a phone OS prospective really isn't as important as it was with a desktop OS.
As far as the Windows phone, I probably would prefer that to the Android. I have an Android tablet to get a taste of Android and it is ok but it doesn't have any wow factor.
As far as the Windows phone, I probably would prefer that to the Android. I have an Android tablet to get a taste of Android and it is ok but it doesn't have any wow factor.
You can take out MobileMe, to be fair. Nothing wrong with it currently - it works, but it could be so much more for the money. And by the looks of it, Apple's on the way to doing just that.
As for the rest, you can include on your list nearly every major product Apple's churned out over the last decade. It either sells the most, makes the most profit in its class, or is considered the standard by which every competing product in its category is judged. Sometimes it's a combination of all of the above. And Apple doesn't even have the biggest R&D budget in the industry!
The list gets longer if we include services, content distribution models, etc. iTunes, Apple Stores, App Store . . .
Let me think...
- MMS
- Tethering
- Multitasking
- Push email
- Third party apps/App Store
- Cut, copy and paste
- Video recording
- Video calling (also due to hardware, but still)
- Folders
- Camera zoom
I'm sure there's more, but these are some pretty big things Apple left out of iOS for the entire first year of its' existence - some (like multitasking), took three years to implement. Remember, they even announced push notifications for 2.0, but it took until 3.0 to get it working properly. So maybe, before complaining about WP7, you should remember that Apple managed to take a hell of a long time to implement multitasking, even though people had been asking for it for years. You can also bring up the fact that WP7 is still lacking features present in iOS, and maybe even a thing or two on my list above, but in the end they didn't take three years to give us the feature you're knocking them for. Who did take three years, though? Oh that's right, Apple.
My big concern about "Mango" is the fact that unlike iOS on the iPhone, the cellphone companies could block this update to all early model phones that use Windows Phone 7, forcing users to buy all-new cellphones. People forget that the HUGE advantage of the iPhone: Apple forced the cellphone carriers to cede all control of software updates to Apple, so the company essentially controls all updates, which hugely benefits the user when it comes to things like bug fixes and OS-level feature additions.
The major difference between 2007 and now. Apple (or anyone) could have gotten away with some missing features back then as there was no real smart phone competition doing what apple was doing. Fast forward to 2011 and there are features that MS should have included in version 1.0 Its not like they never implemented an OS with multitasking before.
Alas this is more a rhetorical question as it is what it is.
Wow, I'm shocked, this is the closest you've come to critize apple. You're in danger of losing your uber-fanboy status. You really should be defending MobileMe as an innovative, market altering product from apple that's really misunderstood by those who are unaware of the intricacies of that product