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Windows Phone 7 "Mango" brings true multitasking

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I think the general positive attitude towards WP from Engadget and Gizmodo are both very telling of how good the OS is going to be.
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Agreed. I've had my WP7 phone for 6 months now and i love it more than ever. They really have something here. It has the fastest growing App Store and the Live tiles feature is new and innovative. So much better than static icons. They just need some new phones, which i would expect in the next few months.
 
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Agreed. I've had my WP7 phone for 6 months now and i love it more than ever. They really have something here. It has the fastest growing App Store and the Live tiles feature is new and innovative. So much better than static icons. They just need some new phones, which i would expect in the next few months.
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But I can't imagine your WP7 has great battery life with those "live tiles" sucking down the juice...
 
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KingCrimson said:
But I can't imagine your WP7 has great battery life with those "live tiles" sucking down the juice...
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if the screen is dark they do not take any power. The updates only come from Push updates or on some apps that reach out and grab updates every so many minutes.

It is like iOS on get push update on anything takes some power. Hell currently iOS I argue takes more power since they get the damn pop up that lights up the phone.

iOS has it pull points as well and will with weather so really live tiles take zero extra juice to run and can be run with adding any extra over head so it means no extra battery power being pulled.
 
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if the screen is dark they do not take any power. The updates only come from Push updates or on some apps that reach out and grab updates every so many minutes.

It is like iOS on get push update on anything takes some power. Hell currently iOS I argue takes more power since they get the damn pop up that lights up the phone.

iOS has it pull points as well and will with weather so really live tiles take zero extra juice to run and can be run with adding any extra over head so it means no extra battery power being pulled.
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The proof will be in the pudding when the first Nokia + WP7 Mango device comes out and we get the spec-by-spec comparison with the iPhone 5. Will be very interesting to see battery life as that is Apple's #1 claim to fame.

The thing is WP7 Mango looks really original and innovative to me. For the first time Apple can't claim to have a monopoly on innovation and good taste. I wonder if it galls Steve Jobs that Microsoft of all companies built a brand new OS that looks this good.
 
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KingCrimson said:
The proof will be in the pudding when the first Nokia + WP7 Mango device comes out and we get the spec-by-spec comparison with the iPhone 5. Will be very interesting to see battery life as that is Apple's #1 claim to fame.

The thing is WP7 Mango looks really original and innovative to me. For the first time Apple can't claim to have a monopoly on innovation and good taste. I wonder if it galls Steve Jobs that Microsoft of all companies built a brand new OS that looks this good.
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Hard to fully compare it directly. To compare battery life on live tiles takes more understanding the base level code of how it works. Live tiles are run 2 ways. Push updates or you have the app do a pull every X number of minutes set by the user depending on the App. Weather is an example of pull App. Safe to bet Apple new system will be X number of minutes as well.

Updating live tiles take no power. Biggest power drain will be from a push update having to spin things up to push data or to pull data. Exactly like any other phone out there.

Reason you can not directly compare them is the phones are not running the same OS. They are not built with the same specs or same batteries so it makes it mess to compare. The exact same spec is a key one there.

As for me I always get amazed why people complain that a phone can not last 3-4 days with out charging. If it can last 1 day of use then it really should be fine as most people plug a phone in while they are sleeping. My only requirement really is that the phone last 24 hours on battery. Why should pushing it to days matter so much. The battery is meant to be used.
 
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The next big things are NFC and inductive charging. I think the iPhone 5 will have these and completely leap-frog the entire industry yet again. If a WP7 that doesn't have these features for another year is gonna be problematic.
 
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KingCrimson said:
But I can't imagine your WP7 has great battery life with those "live tiles" sucking down the juice...
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I get about 2 days normal use out of it and 1 days heavy use.

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The next big things are NFC and inductive charging. I think the iPhone 5 will have these and completely leap-frog the entire industry yet again. If a WP7 that doesn't have these features for another year is gonna be problematic.
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I dont feel NFC is near the point yet where it would be missed from a phone. Never once used it in my Nexus S.
 
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KingCrimson said:
The proof will be in the pudding when the first Nokia + WP7 Mango device comes out and we get the spec-by-spec comparison with the iPhone 5.
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I hope we can do a little better than comparing specs. when you're competing against Apple in the same market, you'd better have a lot more than specs on your side.
 
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Perhaps I'm deeply mistaken, but I'm under the impression Windows Phone is a lost cause. At a moment when Nokia/Symbian and Blackberry are massively losing market share, WP7 only manages a breathtaking (not) 1%.
IMHO, the reason is that the UI, while original, is questionable in its aesthetics as well as its usability. If I was a MSFT shareholder, I would be deeply terrified with the prospect of Windows 8 adopting that UI.

On a side note, I have a hard time understanding that fetish for "true-multitasking" on a mobile device, especially a smartphone with such a small screen-estate and battery constraints (but even on a tablet it's not something that I miss).
 
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Its getting better in terms of numbers but its still miles away from having a healthy spare of the market. The biggest problem IMO has been that the phones shipped in a similar state (in terms of functions missing) as the original iPhone is 2007. Mango cant come soon enough. New hardware will help, and Nokia getting on board is huge. They still have a massive fan base here in Europe and especially in markets such as India, Africa and Scandinavia. The N9 is one of the most talked about phones on tech sites over here.

Hoping that Palm gets a nice share of the market too. Theres enough users for everybody to get some action. Especially if it means that phone makers stop releasing a new Android device every week.
 
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When I ditch my iPhone 4, I'll definitely be picking up a Windows phone. I'm going to wait and see what comes out later in the year. Hopefully Nokia do the business...
 
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New HTC phone got leaked. 1.5ghz, 4.7" screen. Looks okay, but with a screen that big I dont see it being a huge hit with the masses. I think 4" is ideal. But there will certainly be a few who want the biggest screen they can get.
 
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Makes sense shutting the Nokia stores. Here in the UK they weren't that great at all and only offered 2 out of the 5 networks. If i remember correctly the simfree prices were ridiculously priced too.
 
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Microsoft weren't stupid enough to allow arbitrary, unfettered third party multi tasking either.

They are using suspend/resume technique, in addition to allowing a subset of supported multi tasking use cases. Much closer to the battery preserving, user shouldn't have to suffer approach than the battery draining, poor user experience approach favoured ny Android.

They are also doing some clever things on top as well. Such as notifying applications when the handset is on charge or docked, so more intensive processes can be performed.

Watch the stuff from MIX to get a better idea of how it will all work. I'll supply a link and a timing later when I get in. It was on channel 9 I think though.

Edit: Link It starts at about 43:45.
 
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The problem is that the first Nokia w/Mango isn't coming to US carriers until Feb/March 2012. That gives Apple & Android another 8 months to build up more market-share. I have no desire to buy sub-standard Windows Phone right now just to experience the Metro UI. Also the current set of hardware is crap. 8 more months!
 
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The problem is that the first Nokia w/Mango isn't coming to US carriers until Feb/March 2012. That gives Apple & Android another 8 months to build up more market-share. I have no desire to buy sub-standard Windows Phone right now just to experience the Metro UI. Also the current set of hardware is crap. 8 more months!
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There will be other new handsets before then. From Samsung and the rest. I think Europe is getting the W series in october. If you guys have to wait till next year, thats a big rough
 
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