That is a pretty amazing post, and I will be first in line for that bike mount. I would also like to put a +1 on the triathlon multisport mode. On the native app you can add activities but doesn't really work well to record transition times. for me personally multisport mode and to a lesser extent bluetooth heart rate transmission to other apps would make it perfect.
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The userguide has a section about why data might not match:
There are many reasons why the data in Strava may differ because they tend to recalculate everything from the GPS positions. Please send the wkt file to info@workoutdoors.net and I will take a look. To do this tap the Export button 3 times quickly.
The next version of the app offers FIT export and this will be the default for uploading to Strava because they seem to respect the data in it more often.
I would like to ask if would be possible to transfer the ascend gain value to Strava 1:1 like for example Suunto or Garmin does? In newer Apple watch devices barometer is taken into acount to calculate the total ascend value so it should work. If the activity is from e.g. Suunto or Garmin then the ascend is taken from the fit file. Of course it also can be calculated directly by Strava but user have to choose the option to correct it via edit panel. Correction option is not available for files uploaded to Strava by WorkOutDoors.
There are two issues to this: what elevations are used and how the ascent is calculated from the elevations.
In terms of the elevations I tried for several years to get Strava to respect the elevations in the GPX/TCX file sent to them (by specifying that the watch had a barometer) but never had any success and in the end I gave up. So they recalculate it from their terrain database, which to be honest is often more accurate than the barometer, especially if the weather changes during a workout, affecting the air pressure.
I haven't checked to see if they respect the elevations in FIT files so that will be interesting to find out.
In terms of the ascent there is no way to include it in GPX and TCX files and I currently do not include it in the FIT file (to be honest I didn't think of it until you mentioned it). Strava calculate the ascent from the elevations using their own algorithm, just as WOD does, and just as everyone else does. And every algorithm can be different because they involve smoothing and the resulting ascent depends on the amount of smoothing.
If I don't release the app soon then I will store the ascent in the FIT file and we will see if Strava respects it. On that subject Apple have accepted the beta so I can release whenever I like. However an hour after I heard this a tester told me of multiple crashes with the beta. I suspect that watchOS has just got confused and needs rebooting but I am awaiting further information before releasing.
Normally I dont have so many issues with their ascend calculations. The problem arises if I'm doing hill repeats with 10-30% gradients. Then their filter, algorithm (whatever
) interferes a lot and underestimates the result.I know the exact altitude differences to the meter because it coincides with altitude maps and what various other devices indicate including the AW, Polar V2 or Fenix6.
There is a difference between ascent and altitude differences. It is very rare that you go up by 100m and that you have done 100m of ascent. Usually it will be more than that because, unless the slope is an exact straight line, then you will go down at some points.Normally I dont have so many issues with their ascend calculations. The problem arises if I'm doing hill repeats with 10-30% gradients. Then their filter, algorithm (whatever
I know the exact altitude differences to the meter because it coincides with altitude maps and what various other devices indicate including the AW, Polar V2 or Fenix6.
This is why ascent is actually subjective. Do you count multiple drops of 10cm, or does it need to be a drop of a metre? The barometer only has a resolution of a metre so it would miss some drops and you may even want to increase the ascent to allow for that (WOD does not). Relative elevation is an objective value (if the two data points are accurate) but ascent is subjective and depends on the algorithm as well as the accuracy of the data supplied to it.
I'm a beta tester, but now that I showed my wife the fullscreen on the AW 7, she would like GA before our Memorial Weekend trip
Omg THAT would be the best feature ever!! all triathletes would love it!
@cfc are you planning this for upcoming versions?
I vote for Multi sport, not just triathlon.
In our case that would be cycling and walking/hiking.
It is on my list but currently not as high as always on display; turn by turn directions; interval schedule importing etc.
I have just released it to the App Store. I gave up waiting for a reply so I hope that his problems were a one off and will be fixed by a reboot.Oh no, that is bad news.
There are almost 200 testers and no-one else has reported it, so I am optimistic. But slightly nervous! ?
I have released it in a phased way, so it will gradually be released over the next week to people who have automatic updates, but will be available immediately to anyone who wants to install it manually.
I don't know. Unfortunately that is something that cannot be tested with Test Flight, which automatically installs on both devices. I hope that Apple will do the same when installed from the App Store this time but I really do not know, so I will be interested to see what people find out.
I have added a check in the iPhone app that determines if the watch app has been installed and warns you if the versions do not match, so I am hopeful that will help. But there is a good chance that it will only install the iPhone app for some people and they will need to manually install the watch app from the App Store on the watch. I really hope not though!
Thanks so much!! Really very, very excited!!!
Just updated iPhone version to 4.4.39 via the iOS App Store Germany and it didn't update the Watch app automatically. I then went to the Watch App Store but the latest available version there is still 4.3... Could it be that it will take some time until it's showing up everywhere?
That's not good to hear. I would wait until it appears on the watch App Store. It takes a while to get through Apple's systems.
Looks like I will get a lot of people with problems because the watch app has not updated. I suspect that it is because the app is considered "independent", which means it can run on the watch without the iPhone, but I don't know why it doesn't update both at the same time. Apple logic I guess.