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marliefrugal

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Great, wonderful, inspiring app. Thanks so much. It has helped me back into running and I’m enjoying it more than ever.

Is there a way to import old runs into the Workout section of the iPhone app? Or is this something planned?

I’m a +1 for additional paid for pro features

Keep up the great work and I’m looking forward to the next release.
 
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Great, wonderful, inspiring app. Thanks so much. It has helped me back into running and I’m enjoying it more than ever.

Is there a way to import old runs into the Workout section of the iPhone app? Or is this something planned?

I’m a +1 for additional paid for pro features

Keep up the great work and I’m looking forward to the next release.

Many thanks for the kind words - I love hearing when people enjoy using the app so much!

At the moment I don't have any plans to import workouts from Apple's Health system back into the app, but you are not the first person to ask for it so I may add it in the future.
 

Akrapovic

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Many thanks for the kind words - I love hearing when people enjoy using the app so much!

Before I bought the app, I didn't really understand it. Why pay for this app when Strava and the default Workout app are free? Do I really need a map on my wrist? I know where I'm going. But I bought it because of the amount of activity on this forum, talking about it. Might be the best app I've exchanged money for - it's just so good. And its customisability has been great for training with. It's so good I'd happily pay the previously mentioned subscription if there were features that required such a thing (Weather reports, Strava segments, all that jazz). It's that good!

Here's another feature idea, but again I think this is more down the lines of adding it to the phone app. Training Plans that we enter ourselves. Like, a basic calendar function.

I'm finally looking at training plans and all these apps try and hook you into their eco system. Strava has training plans, but they don't even present it to you in the app. RunKeeper has them too, but it tries to get you to pay and use their app etc. What I eventually ended up doing was typing out the Strava plan into a spreadsheet and saving it in excel, so I could read it on my phone. With WoD, would it be possible to have a simple calendar built into the app, and we enter the data ourselves on what we're going to do. Basically like I have done with my spreadsheet, but keeping it within the app that I use for my workouts.

I don't think WoD is quite the market for generating a training plan for someone, but being able to enter our own into a calender would be cool.

PS - I hate excel. :D
 
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Before I bought the app, I didn't really understand it. Why pay for this app when Strava and the default Workout app are free? Do I really need a map on my wrist? I know where I'm going. But I bought it because of the amount of activity on this forum, talking about it. Might be the best app I've exchanged money for - it's just so good. And its customisability has been great for training with. It's so good I'd happily pay the previously mentioned subscription if there were features that required such a thing (Weather reports, Strava segments, all that jazz). It's that good!

Here's another feature idea, but again I think this is more down the lines of adding it to the phone app. Training Plans that we enter ourselves. Like, a basic calendar function.

I'm finally looking at training plans and all these apps try and hook you into their eco system. Strava has training plans, but they don't even present it to you in the app. RunKeeper has them too, but it tries to get you to pay and use their app etc. What I eventually ended up doing was typing out the Strava plan into a spreadsheet and saving it in excel, so I could read it on my phone. With WoD, would it be possible to have a simple calendar built into the app, and we enter the data ourselves on what we're going to do. Basically like I have done with my spreadsheet, but keeping it within the app that I use for my workouts.

I don't think WoD is quite the market for generating a training plan for someone, but being able to enter our own into a calender would be cool.

PS - I hate excel. :D

Thanks again for the kind words. Training Plans are another thing that aren't in my plans at the moment but may be in the future.

They feel similar to interval schedules, but at a multiple workout level rather than within one workout. Sort of "inter-workout" instead of "intra-workout". As such I would probably implement them by using similar code but with the ability to specify groups of workouts instead of groups of intervals.

I will see how the intervals functionality goes and maybe it will prompt more people to ask for training plans, and I will get a good idea of all the different requirements. When I started looking into what default interval templates to include in the next version I found that some were more like training plans than intervals. For instance I thought about a Couch to 5K template but that was a whole training plan with different interval schedules for each week.

Thanks for the suggestion - as I say training plans weren't something that I had thought about much, but now that I have then I expect that I will get quite a few more requests for them after the next release!
 

philipp_chris

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Thanks for your tips earlier and for being this active at all! Great job!

I recalibrated the watch and switched smart distance back on. Seems to be in line with other devices now.
However, when I'm just running with the watch, GPS accuracy is still >10m. Hoping for better with a Series 5 I'm planning to buy when it's released.

I'm wondering if it is possible to display which satellite system is actually used (GPS, GLONASS, GALILEO). Is this kind of data available to devs? You could then change the color of the signal strength bar accordingly :D
 
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I recalibrated the watch and switched smart distance back on. Seems to be in line with other devices now.
However, when I'm just running with the watch, GPS accuracy is still >10m. Hoping for better with a Series 5 I'm planning to buy when it's released.

Maybe related but when I play golf every week I use my Garmin and my mate uses his AW4. His AW4 is always ~10m out for distances compared to mine.
 

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Thanks for your tips earlier and for being this active at all! Great job!

I recalibrated the watch and switched smart distance back on. Seems to be in line with other devices now.
However, when I'm just running with the watch, GPS accuracy is still >10m. Hoping for better with a Series 5 I'm planning to buy when it's released.

I'm wondering if it is possible to display which satellite system is actually used (GPS, GLONASS, GALILEO). Is this kind of data available to devs? You could then change the color of the signal strength bar accordingly :D

I'm glad that calibrating the watch corrected the distances.

I don't think that Apple provide details of the satellite system being used. As far as I know they don't even tell you if the GPS is coming from the watch or the iPhone. They like to keep details like that hidden!
 

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I know you're working on implementing Stryd (can't wait). When doing so, will you be adding an option to export/upload to Stryd's Power Centre?

I am holding fire on Stryd at the moment in case Apple support it natively in watchOS 6. I figured that there is no point in spending time on it now because they may announce power sensor support at WWDC next week. If they don't support it in watchOS 6 then I will write code to connect to the Stryd footpod, but it would be much better if Apple added native support for power sensors, just as they currently have for external heart rate sensors.

In terms of exporting to Stryd's power centre I generally prefer to leave that sort of thing to apps that specialise in exporting workouts, such as HealthFit and RunGap. Having said that if enough people ask for it then I will add it, like I did with Strava.
 

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I am holding fire on Stryd at the moment in case Apple support it natively in watchOS 6. I figured that there is no point in spending time on it now because they may announce power sensor support at WWDC next week. If they don't support it in watchOS 6 then I will write code to connect to the Stryd footpod, but it would be much better if Apple added native support for power sensors, just as they currently have for external heart rate sensors.

In terms of exporting to Stryd's power centre I generally prefer to leave that sort of thing to apps that specialise in exporting workouts, such as HealthFit and RunGap. Having said that if enough people ask for it then I will add it, like I did with Strava.

Watch OS6 next week... forgot about that. Yeah, hopefully they support external sensors!! That would be the beginning of the end for the Fenix, it's it's only duty now (bike stuff).

It would be handy if it was possible to export into Stryd, just keeps everything together. I like the way the Strava export works, you can pick and chose which ones to send. Just checked HealthFit and RunGap and neither export to Stryd... there maybe a reason for that. Maybe add export FIT or TCX files?!?

Cheers
 
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Watch OS6 next week... forgot about that. Yeah, hopefully they support external sensors!! That would be the beginning of the end for the Fenix, it's it's only duty now (bike stuff).

It would be handy if it was possible to export into Stryd, just keeps everything together. I like the way the Strava export works, you can pick and chose which ones to send. Just checked HealthFit and RunGap and neither export to Stryd... there maybe a reason for that. Maybe add export FIT or TCX files?!?

Cheers

Stryd's website says that only files containing power data can be imported. This probably explains why HealthFit and RunGap do not export to Stryd, because Apple's health system does not yet support power metrics (fingers crossed for next week).

The next version of WorkOutDoors will allow TCX files to be exported, so they will be able to include the power data when the app supports power sensors.
 
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Stryd's website says that only files containing power data can be imported. This probably explains why HealthFit and RunGap do not export to Stryd, because Apple's health system does not yet support power metrics (fingers crossed for next week).

The next version of WorkOutDoors will allow TCX files to be exported, so they will be able to include the power data when the app supports power sensors.

Excellent . Looking forward to seeing what Apple come up with next week
 
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Akrapovic

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I'm here with another daft request!

Before I asked about Strava segments showing up on the map, but that's a closed API so impossible. But what if we were just to set our own on the route? So I load a route in WOD on the iPhone app, and then can put markers in which would be our own little segments? So a marker at 1.1km, and then another one at 1.5km, and the map would then highlight the 0.4km in the middle as orange? Then another at 2km and another at 2.5km, and it highlights that 0.5km orange.

It's up to the user to define the start and ends, but if you load routes then it's a one-time setup on your route.
 
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I'm here with another daft request!

Before I asked about Strava segments showing up on the map, but that's a closed API so impossible. But what if we were just to set our own on the route? So I load a route in WOD on the iPhone app, and then can put markers in which would be our own little segments? So a marker at 1.1km, and then another one at 1.5km, and the map would then highlight the 0.4km in the middle as orange? Then another at 2km and another at 2.5km, and it highlights that 0.5km orange.

It's up to the user to define the start and ends, but if you load routes then it's a one-time setup on your route.

That's an interesting idea that I haven't heard before. It would actually not be too difficult. The next version of the app will include interval schedules, but when you are not using a schedule it also allows manual intervals, which allow the user to separate the route into their own segments (independent of the laps).

At the moment this is purely manual (the user has to start a new segment by a configurable shortcut gesture) but in the future I could make segments part of a route as you suggest. So the user would define these points on the route and the app would automatically start a new segment when the user reaches a point during the workout.

This will not be in the next version but I do plan to improve route functionality in the future (with turn-by-turn etc) so I will look into defining such segment points when I do that.

Thanks for the suggestion!
 
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That's an interesting idea that I haven't heard before. It would actually not be too difficult. The next version of the app will include interval schedules, but when you are not using a schedule it also allows manual intervals, which allow the user to separate the route into their own segments (independent of the laps).

At the moment this is purely manual (the user has to start a new segment by a configurable shortcut gesture) but in the future I could make segments part of a route as you suggest. So the user would define these points on the route and the app would automatically start a new segment when the user reaches a point during the workout.

This will not be in the next version but I do plan to improve route functionality in the future (with turn-by-turn etc) so I will look into defining such segment points when I do that.

Thanks for the suggestion!

No problem, thank you for the app. :D

Just another thought on the segment idea. If you had manually used defined segments, then it'd be good to have a notification when you reach the end (similar to the regular notifications you can configure for distance and time). So you reach the end of your segment and it buzzes and gives you the time and pace you completed the segment in.

If you are looking at route improvement then could I suggest allowing the creation of routes in the app? I currently use Footpath to draw a route and then export it out. It works fine, but similar to segments on the map, it'd be nice to have that functionality in the app.
 
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No problem, thank you for the app. :D

Just another thought on the segment idea. If you had manually used defined segments, then it'd be good to have a notification when you reach the end (similar to the regular notifications you can configure for distance and time). So you reach the end of your segment and it buzzes and gives you the time and pace you completed the segment in.

If you are looking at route improvement then could I suggest allowing the creation of routes in the app? I currently use Footpath to draw a route and then export it out. It works fine, but similar to segments on the map, it'd be nice to have that functionality in the app.

I would definitely add notifications when starting a new segment. They will probably be configurable with your choice of metrics to be spoken and/or displayed, because that is what is possible with the next version.

I may add route creation at some time in the future, but at the moment I think of it as something that is handled by other apps that then send the routes to WorkOutDoors.

One of the problems is that any route creation would need a "snap to map" feature which takes the required route and finds the nearest roads/tracks. This is not easy, which is why it is best to use a service that does it for you. Unfortunately these services cost money, so this is probably one of those features that I may reserve for if I add a subscription of some sort in the future (which I do not have any plans to do at the moment).
 

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Is WorkOutDoors able to give me the number of steps for a trip, i.e. Anytime during the day 1 select Start, then when I have got to where I want to be I select Stop and it gives me the steps for just that trip? A pause would be good too. It seems such a simple thing but I can't seem to find an app that does this. Will happily pay for one.
 

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Is WorkOutDoors able to give me the number of steps for a trip, i.e. Anytime during the day 1 select Start, then when I have got to where I want to be I select Stop and it gives me the steps for just that trip? A pause would be good too. It seems such a simple thing but I can't seem to find an app that does this. Will happily pay for one.

Is this what you’re looking for? Steps in top right.
 

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I haven't purchased yet, but yes, looking for Steps for a particular "trip".
Is what is showing that for all day or for that "workout"? I will buy the app if it is for that particular trip.
Cheers
 
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I haven't purchased yet, but yes, looking for Steps for a particular "trip".
Is what is showing that for all day or for that "workout"? I will buy the app if it is for that particular trip.
Cheers

The screenshot shows the steps data for that workout. You need to explicitly start and end a workout, like with Apple's Workout app.

Thanks to @Akrapovic for posting the screenshot.
 
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I haven't purchased yet, but yes, looking for Steps for a particular "trip".
Is what is showing that for all day or for that "workout"? I will buy the app if it is for that particular trip.
Cheers

Yes, so that is the steps for that run. WOD has a walk section too which also displays steps. Here is a short walk I did, you can see steps in the top right. :)
 

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Long distance road test....PASSED !!

https://www.strava.com/activities/2418628822



Well...I completed the “Escape from GB” ultrarunning race starting at midday on Friday from Haltwhistle (the geographic centre of Great Britain), the object being to get as far away as the crow flys as possible by midday Sunday.

I knew I couldn’t really run that far continuously (there was a runner with Marathon de Sables and Barkley Marathon experience, and even he had to drop out before the 48hrs was up, to avoid serious injury)...so made the decision to have an actual bed for both nights (some people ran through the night), and planned a route where I’d more or less finish by the Saturday evening, barring a short walk and a boat ride on the Sunday morning to notch up a few more miles....a BOAT ride?! Yes...one caveat to the “on foot” rules was a proviso that runners could cross the sea, to be categorised in a special “Islander” category for the runner who ‘escaped’ (the virtual crow) the furthest distance and reached somewhere beyond the mainland.

Anyway...an incredibly slow Friday afternoon had me safely in the pub I was sleeping in about 2hrs behind planned schedule, the hills and wind and rain and boggy Northumberland Forest slowed me down a lot more than I’d hoped! Saturday was mainly country road surface (barring the odd few miles of farmland and river crossings), but my tired body and lots of walking up hills again lost me about an hour across the full day compared to what I’d hoped for. But, I’d made it.

Sunday as I say was easy, a walk to a harbour, sit on a boat and then marvel at thousands of puffins and seals...amazing that I’d got there effectively under my own power after starting about as far away as it’s possible to get from the sea. Oh...and I WON the Islander category, being the only person stupid enough to attempt a sea crossing!!

Route had been planned and refined on the MapOut app on iPad over a period of a few weeks (with lots of reference to Google maps...it’s a shame that MapOut doesn’t have a toggle for Satellite imagery), with WayPoints added for my end of day bases, plus WayPointed a pub halfway through each day where I planned on a 30-45 minute recharge.

MapOut was good for reviewing the route at the start of each day and having a quick glance of elevation...and towards the end of the second day I used it a couple of times to double check how far I had left to go.

BUT...in the main, I ran the whole thing solely relying on WorkOutdoors....navigating through barely marked dense forest paths, along miles and miles of roads I’ve never been before, and across public footpaths and bridleways that criss crossed open marshy moorland that looked pretty much the same in all directions.

It performed brilliantly!

Since I had my phone I left them paired, and I decided to leave heart rate tracking enabled. After the first 4hrs, I just stuck my watch on the charger (with a mobile powerbank) and got a 20 minute boost whilst I had a sugary soft drink (and a not so soft one)...that got me back to 100%...and I ran the remaining 3 or 4 hrs on Friday without even really checking the battery.

Similar story on Saturday...I set off running at 9am...recharged in a pub at 1pm, and had plenty juice left when I finished running around 630pm...battery drain was probably quite a bit less on the Saturday as the long roads meant I only really had to navigate at junctions so didn’t really look at watch that much...barring one incident where there was a bull blocking my route so I zoomed out the map (on watch, didn’t even bother with phone), and quickly worked out a way around to join back up with my plan via a brief diversion.

So, I had four activities, (plus one I created on the Sunday morning), I’d disabled my auto syncing to Strava via HealthFit, simply exported them from WorkoutDoors and glued them together with https://gotoes.org/strava/Combine_GPX_TCX_FIT_Files.php ... and all was done! Maybe merging / splitting activities in the phone app is something that could be looked at in future??

The ONLY slight niggle I had really was a few times up on the hills with rain and mist, I guess rain must have been interpreted as a touch on the screen or something, as when I glanced at the watched, I wasn’t centred, and had to wipe the screen and try and dry my fingers to press the button to recentre to my location etc...I had this perhaps 4 or 5 times...on the Friday, and it was quite frustrating...implementing / fixing the screenlock (so screen touches do nothing but the crown can zoom in and out of the map), is a must-have I reckon. In the dry weather on Saturday I had no problems whatsoever, and it was actually a relatively pleasant experience to glance at my wrist and just zoom in and out with the Digital Crown every now and then if I needed to get an idea of what was coming up.

Having an “estimated finish time” field based on average pace, and either grabbing the remaining distance from the activated route, or manually entering a distance before starting would have been handy I guess...when you’ve been plodding through ankle deep mud for 2hrs or knee deep nettles for 30minutes, your ability to calculate time does kind of go out the window somewhat, and it’s nice to have some kind of target to aim for, and then adjust that target once the reality hits you that you run a lot slower than you think once you start doing long distances!

(Oh yeah, I also rather stupidly ran 18miles the day BEFORE this race started, having dumped my car near to where I aimed to finish, I ran to the nearest train station, again on a route planned on MapOut and just using WorkOutdoors to find my way!! Again, having that “expected finish time” would have been useful here as I was trying to run as conservatively as possible but make it for my train time...and I had no real idea what that meant in terms of working out the required average pace!

So thanks...great app, I think Ive tested it to the extreme and it’s passed comfortably!
Nothing crazy planned until next year at least...so I know WorkOutdoors can easily match any challenge I throw at it in the meantime
 
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