Which other metrics do you use for hiking beside the ones in my screenshot?
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Apps WorkOutDoors: New workout features
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Your layout is comprehensive and a great example of fitting everything important onto one screen.
I like to include time-to-sunset and distance remaining. This helps me figure out if I need to adjust my pace to arrive at camp/car before nightfall.
Also, when we get navigation features in a future update, I’m hoping we’ll also get navigation metrics such as distance/elevation to next waypoint, which would place even more of a premium on data field space. And the distance remaining will become even more useful when it’s based on the end waypoint and not just an estimate based on the fixed distance set at the beginning of the workout.
Love using WOD when running or hiking outdoors! It’s my favorite Apple Watch app by far! Thanks so much!
Feature req: Is it possible to read min and max heart rate from Apple health and auto set it in WOD heart zones settings? I also use Athlytic on the Apple Watch which I also love! This app uses a 30 day average for max heart rate and a 60 day average for min.
Feature req: Is it possible to read min and max heart rate from Apple health and auto set it in WOD heart zones settings? I also use Athlytic on the Apple Watch which I also love! This app uses a 30 day average for max heart rate and a 60 day average for min.
I don't think Apple make their zone information available to third party apps. WOD could use some sort of long term trend to set the main/max but no-one has ever asked for that before.
Apple sometimes take a while to make information available to third party apps, so they may provide the zone information in the future. And then I will have a decision about how to integrate it with WOD.
Glad you like the app!
I use the same layout, almost same metrics as well; only difference being elevation rate and current pace in place of calories and battery level.
This L shaped small font layout is quite handy really!
More datapoints. The health pace is terrible for the track 🤣 I think it must be using some sort of maps or GPS data to smooth and update and going round and round in circles really confuses it because the pace jumped all over the place during the run and is about 20 seconds off per second in either direction. I had pace alerts set up and it was just going non-stop during the run so I couldn't see the screen at all (I was not changing my pace in and out of target pace range and certainly not swinging by up to 40 seconds). Guess I'm going back to pedometer pace. It might work well for the road, but not sure it's worth switching back and forth just to get slightly more frequent pace updates.
Thanks for that. Good to get as much feedback as possible.
What would you think: How many "calibration runs" should we do with Apple's native workout app before we completely switch over to WOD?
When I look at my different trainings depending on the pace I run my step length is between 1,2m and 1,6m and the steps per minute between 154 und 170... do I have to run the native app through all these modes to get a proper pedometer calibration?
Any advice welcome...
When I look at my different trainings depending on the pace I run my step length is between 1,2m and 1,6m and the steps per minute between 154 und 170... do I have to run the native app through all these modes to get a proper pedometer calibration?
Any advice welcome...
I think it’s only the Apple Workout app. Also make sure you have excellent GPS coverage (for me that means disabling WiFi and Bluetooth on the Watch so it doesn’t use the iPhone’s GPS).
Yeah, I know that calibration only happens when using the original Apple app. I was wondering if there is a recommendation how many runs should be done with the native app to proper calibrate it (because it will recalibrate slightly with each run) and if it is necessary to run all paces and SPM variants with the native app so it "learns" you better.
Unfortunately Apple are quite vague about it: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204516. They do mention running at various different speeds (20 minutes at each speed) if you generally run at different speeds, but aren't clear on how different the speeds need to be to require a separate 20 minute run.
In practice most people don't seem to need calibration and it is only something that I suggest when their pace looks off. But at the other extreme for some people the calibrated distances just don't work, and then I suggest that they use the GPS option for distance and average pace.
Note that current pace is very different and you should only use the GPS option for that if you really have to. Pedometer or Health give much better estimates of current pace for running (although which is the better of the two is under investigation).
In practice most people don't seem to need calibration and it is only something that I suggest when their pace looks off. But at the other extreme for some people the calibrated distances just don't work, and then I suggest that they use the GPS option for distance and average pace.
Note that current pace is very different and you should only use the GPS option for that if you really have to. Pedometer or Health give much better estimates of current pace for running (although which is the better of the two is under investigation).
Based on previous comments, logic would suggest it best to do a 20+min run with Apple Workout first. A brand new Apple Watch is essentially uncalibrated to you.
I agree that this is the best approach, just in case.
However it could be that watchOS distances use the GPS at first and gradually switch over to using the pedometer as the algorithm becomes more confident in your stride pattern. It's impossible to know because Apple do not reveal that sort of detail, which makes sense because they have probably refined their algorithm over the years.
Right now I'm wearing a Garmin Epix and an Apple Watch. I've been running with both watches all summer, always outside, at all different speeds. On the track, and around town.
The first time I ran inside when it got cold, the Apple Watch default Workout app was in almost eerie agreement with the treadmill speed and distance. The Epix was off by a good margin, but it has a "Save and Calibrate" option. After I calibrated, it has also been quite accurate.
I did try WOD once on the treadmill but preferred the default app thanks to the Action Button and always-on display. The distance was off by a good bit in the WOD app, though that might have been because I was doing an elaborate workout with lots of different speeds. It's my only real data point. The Epix was quite accurate, however.
Just my brief experience.
The first time I ran inside when it got cold, the Apple Watch default Workout app was in almost eerie agreement with the treadmill speed and distance. The Epix was off by a good margin, but it has a "Save and Calibrate" option. After I calibrated, it has also been quite accurate.
I did try WOD once on the treadmill but preferred the default app thanks to the Action Button and always-on display. The distance was off by a good bit in the WOD app, though that might have been because I was doing an elaborate workout with lots of different speeds. It's my only real data point. The Epix was quite accurate, however.
Just my brief experience.
WOD uses the same distance estimates as the native app so it was probably the different speeds which confused their algorithm. At least outdoors it can resort to GPS if necessary (although I have no idea if it does), but indoors it has to estimate based purely on detecting steps from accelerometers inside the watch. I can see how that is not too bad when you have a constant speed and stride length, but when your speed is varying then it cannot be easy.
It's probably better to analyse Apple's auto-pause in WOD rather than Strava, because they often apply their own auto-pause algorithm to generate moving time, which can confuse things.
Today I received my Apple Watch Ultra.
Of course, I immediately opened Workoutdoors to take a look at it on the watch.
However, no settings have been transferred yet. I had already configured WOD 2 weeks ago.
Have now maps and routes sent, intervals transferred and clicked on send for all settings.
What I am missing now are all my set screens. How do I get them on the Ultra?
Of course, I immediately opened Workoutdoors to take a look at it on the watch.
However, no settings have been transferred yet. I had already configured WOD 2 weeks ago.
Have now maps and routes sent, intervals transferred and clicked on send for all settings.
What I am missing now are all my set screens. How do I get them on the Ultra?
There is a "Send Screens to Watch" option in the File Management settings on the iPhone, as well as the "Send Interval Schedules to Watch" and "Send Yesterday's Watch Settings".
There aren't options for sending the larger items like workouts and routes but you can individually send any of those that you particularly want.
You are right. WOD shows no slowdown while Strava does, bugger.It's probably better to analyse Apple's auto-pause in WOD rather than Strava, because they often apply their own auto-pause algorithm to generate moving time, which can confuse things.
I have to look through Strava settings to see what I can disable.
I recently moved from Garmin to an AW Ultra and started using WOD (quite an amazing app, congrats!).
I am still trying to figure out if Stryd (that I have been using for quite some time) is more precise than the native tools (be it pedometer or health). Any idea about that?
Ditto, re: Stryd. I don't use one and never have, but am curious about it.
Long ago when I was using Garmin Forerunners (which I did for about 15 years and then moved to Apple Watch in 2018), I had the Forerunner paired with a Garmin footpod and Garmin HR chest monitor to get various metrics. I'm still curious about footpods, especially Stryd.