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Apps WorkOutDoors: New workout features

cfc said:
I am also working on other features in parallel such as the navigation improvements and also the ability to import schedules in FIT files (which is pretty much working already, which wasn't the plan :)). So it also depends on how they go as to where AOD fits in.
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Great, looking forward to it.

Concerning importing schedules via FIT files: will WOD support nested intervals then?
 
NME42 said:
Great, looking forward to it.

Concerning importing schedules via FIT files: will WOD support nested intervals then?
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Probably not. It will be limited to importing the interval functionality that the app currently supports but will be able to load that from a FIT file. I did add a new "Rest" interval type but that is the only new functionality.

In the long term I will probably allow more of the FIT interval features such as nested repeats. However I feel that I have spent enough time on it already given that I should have been spending more time on AOD and navigation instead.

Nested intervals are very rarely requested, as are most of the other interval features that the app doesn't support, so I am hoping that this first implementation will still support the vast majority of the intervals that people try to import. When I asked for sample FIT files a couple of weeks ago I received dozens of them (thanks for that!) and this first implementation supports all of those.
 
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Mauki said:
What are nested intervals?

Have you an example?
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Repeating repeats.

E.g. classical HIIT 30-20-10 workout

Warmup
Repeat 3 Times
---Repeat 5 Times
------Jog 30sec
------Run 20sec
------Sprint 10sec
---End Repeat
---Jog 2mins
End Repeat
Cooldown


Currently in WOD without nested intervals you have to program this:

Warmup
Repeat 5 Times
---Jog 30sec
---Run 20sec
---Sprint 10sec
End Repeat
Jog 2mins
Repeat 5 Times
---Jog 30sec
---Run 20sec
---Sprint 10sec
End Repeat
Jog 2mins
Repeat 5 Times
---Jog 30sec
---Run 20sec
---Sprint 10sec
End Repeat
Jog 2mins
Cooldown


Sure, can be done. But for me as a programmer, this is not the most elegant way to solve the problem. :cool:

Still waiting for a functionality (wherever), where one really could use a sort of programming language to program interval schedules, e.g. using variables would make pyramid intervals a charm.
 
Ok I know.

I have this 😛👍
 

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For Ian, the developer: some track clubs post their workouts. For example, see:
www.santacruztrackclub.com

2022 Adult Workouts

Our weekly anchor workouts are conceived by our coach, Greg Brock. Workouts are to be posted prior to each week's workout and are subject to revision without notice. Work out details are posted in...
www.santacruztrackclub.com

From their website, I think here is an example of a nested workout:
NOVEMBER 8 (Tuesday) / NOVEMBER 9 (Wednesday)
  • WORKOUT: 5x 600m with 1 min rest then 200m. 2:30 recovery between the sets. 600s at mile date pace, 200s at mile goal pace. Last couple a bit faster.
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This track club posts a lot of their interval workouts and there's a whole archive of them.
 
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You have convinced me. It sounds like I will get complaints if I release it without supporting nested intervals, so I will wait until after I have coded them. This will be a more fundamental change than simply reading a FIT file, so I will leave it until after I have added support for AOD and improved the navigation, because I don't want to delay those features.

I probably shouldn't have started on FIT imports anyway because I have been repeatedly promising people that AOD and navigation would be top of my list now!
 
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I stopped using WorkOutDoors because it did not count my workouts to any of my awards in the fitness app. For example, I did 7 workouts, and it did not count them toward the 7 day workout week award. Also, when I ended a workout, it would keep going back to the workout screen, and I would have to kill the app to get it to stay on the watch face.

I do like the app, but I think it should count things like that, and terminate after a workout.
 
bcalvanese said:
I stopped using WorkOutDoors because it did not count my workouts to any of my awards in the fitness app. For example, I did 7 workouts, and it did not count them toward the 7 day workout week award. Also, when I ended a workout, it would keep going back to the workout screen, and I would have to kill the app to get it to stay on the watch face.

I do like the app, but I think it should count things like that, and terminate after a workout.
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I can't say I have ever had those issues with WOD. It always counts my workouts towards my rings and awards. It also stops the workouts when I hit the button, and I see the final screen. Have you tried a reboot of your watch?
 
eyespy03 said:
I can't say I have ever had those issues with WOD. It always counts my workouts towards my rings and awards. It also stops the workouts when I hit the button, and I see the final screen. Have you tried a reboot of your watch?
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It was a long time ago, so maybe they fixed it since then?

Maybe I'll give it another try and see.

Thanks,
 
bcalvanese said:
It was a long time ago, so maybe they fixed it since then?

Maybe I'll give it another try and see.

Thanks,
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This is out of the hands of the app. It saves workouts to Apple's health system and watchOS / iOS does the rest. Workouts will count towards the activity rings and for most awards. There are a few exceptions where the native Workout app is required for an award, but the majority of awards work with WOD and other third-party workout apps.
 
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Merry Christmas !

I noticed the start of a workout in WOD doesn't trigger anymore the sport focus mode, I tried with both a launch via the action button / via the app.

I used it to trigger automatically the water mode with a shortcut on the AWU when I start a workout so I don't need to pay attention to touching (or not touching) the screen during the workout.
Not that big of a deal since we still can enable the water mode afterwards and use the buttons but may be worth mentioning here, I guess apple change something there with watch os 9.2

Anyone else noticed or it would be a setting I need to adapt ? I did nothing special after upgrade to 9.2 outside assigning the action button to open WOD (and use it in my workouts).


EDIT: My bad seems IOS 16.2 disabled the start of sport focus mode when a workout start... strange
 
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Koma66 said:
Merry Christmas !

I noticed the start of a workout in WOD doesn't trigger anymore the sport focus mode, I tried with both a launch via the action button / via the app.

I used it to trigger automatically the water mode with a shortcut on the AWU when I start a workout so I don't need to pay attention to touching (or not touching) the screen during the workout.
Not that big of a deal since we still can enable the water mode afterwards and use the buttons but may be worth mentioning here, I guess apple change something there with watch os 9.2

Anyone else noticed or it would be a setting I need to adapt ? I did nothing special after upgrade to 9.2 outside assigning the action button to open WOD (and use it in my workouts).


EDIT: My bad seems IOS 16.2 disabled the start of sport focus mode when a workout start... strange
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Yes, it does seem like it was broken in iOS 16.2. A few people mentioned it on another thread last week:


Hopefully Apple will fix it in the next version.
 
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MaxSto said:
I had to reenable the setting, that the iPhone / Apple Watch triggers the fitness -focus when a workout is started within the focus settings.

Since then it works again.
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Yes, this worked for me too.

I had to do this on the Watch itself. Settings/Focus/Fitness, then "When starting a Workout" needs to be on.
 
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I had an unwelcome Christmas surprise from WOD, not sure that I expected this. I got a new Apple Watch 8, which is great. iPhone stayed the same. However, now it appears that all of my settings (the way the maps look, all of my alerts, all of my pace and heartrate settings) have been reset to defaults.

I would have expected this if I changed out my iphone, but is this normal behavior for a new watch? Is there no way to retrieve and apply the previous settings if this was the expected result?
 
BrianGGG said:
I had an unwelcome Christmas surprise from WOD, not sure that I expected this. I got a new Apple Watch 8, which is great. iPhone stayed the same. However, now it appears that all of my settings (the way the maps look, all of my alerts, all of my pace and heartrate settings) have been reset to defaults.

I would have expected this if I changed out my iphone, but is this normal behavior for a new watch? Is there no way to retrieve and apply the previous settings if this was the expected result?
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iOS / watchOS do not copy the watch app data from the previous watch to a new watch. However you can send it from the iPhone app to the new watch by going to the Settings tab and then tapping File Management. Then tap “Send Yesterday’s Watch Settings” and if necessary then also “Send Screens to Watch” and “Send Interval Schedules to Watch”.
 
Hi all - this may not be exactly the right place to write this Q, but since Ian is on here (THANK YOU for creating and updating such an amazingly awesome app!!!), I thought I'd ask because this group seems pretty knowledgeable.

I've got an iPhone 12 Pro running iOS 16.2, and a Apple Watch Series 7 running 9.2. My Polar H10 has been working flawlessly with multiple devices for years now. But in the last couple days, it's stopped working with my iPhone. Have quit the apps, changed the battery, factory reset the H10 multiple time, etc. It'll sometime show as "connected" in the iOS BT Settings app, but won't pair with Polar Beat, nor Elite HRV.

Weirdly, it'll still pair (and work) with the Watch, and with WOD. So I know the H10 is working. I'm guessing there's some iOS 16.2 weirdness (though it's still strange that it worked for a week or two with the iPhone).

Have already pinged Polar, but I don't expect to hear back until mid-next week, so wondering if this group may be aware of 16.2 bugs, or any other cause or solution that might work...
 
vfrbuddy said:
Hi all - this may not be exactly the right place to write this Q, but since Ian is on here (THANK YOU for creating and updating such an amazingly awesome app!!!), I thought I'd ask because this group seems pretty knowledgeable.

I've got an iPhone 12 Pro running iOS 16.2, and a Apple Watch Series 7 running 9.2. My Polar H10 has been working flawlessly with multiple devices for years now. But in the last couple days, it's stopped working with my iPhone. Have quit the apps, changed the battery, factory reset the H10 multiple time, etc. It'll sometime show as "connected" in the iOS BT Settings app, but won't pair with Polar Beat, nor Elite HRV.

Weirdly, it'll still pair (and work) with the Watch, and with WOD. So I know the H10 is working. I'm guessing there's some iOS 16.2 weirdness (though it's still strange that it worked for a week or two with the iPhone).

Have already pinged Polar, but I don't expect to hear back until mid-next week, so wondering if this group may be aware of 16.2 bugs, or any other cause or solution that might work...
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I haven't heard of any Bluetooth issues with iOS 16.2 but I am less likely to hear of them if they don't affect WOD.

Have you tried rebooting your phone, or just switching bluetooth off and on?
 
Ian, thanks for getting back to me so quickly! I've rebooted both the phone and watch repeatedly, quit the running apps before doing so (on the phone at least), turned BT off and on, hard reset the H10, etc.

The best I can get is that the iOS Settings app on the phone "Connects" to the H10, but then it's still not available to Polar Beat or Elite HRV (I haven't checked Strava, but I see little reason to believe it would be different, though now I'll check). The only thing it'll seem to Pair with is the Watch, AFAICT (i.e., WatchOS seems to Connect, and WOD recognizes it and pairs, though I still get the green sensor light on the back when I start a workout).

If you can suggest any other places where iOS 16.2 BT issues might be surfaced/diagnosed/addressed, I would definitely appreciate.

Thanks!
 
vfrbuddy said:
Ian, thanks for getting back to me so quickly! I've rebooted both the phone and watch repeatedly, quit the running apps before doing so (on the phone at least), turned BT off and on, hard reset the H10, etc.

The best I can get is that the iOS Settings app on the phone "Connects" to the H10, but then it's still not available to Polar Beat or Elite HRV (I haven't checked Strava, but I see little reason to believe it would be different, though now I'll check). The only thing it'll seem to Pair with is the Watch, AFAICT (i.e., WatchOS seems to Connect, and WOD recognizes it and pairs, though I still get the green sensor light on the back when I start a workout).

If you can suggest any other places where iOS 16.2 BT issues might be surfaced/diagnosed/addressed, I would definitely appreciate.

Thanks!
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Don't worry about seeing the sensor light even when an external sensor is paired with watchOS because that is normal in my experience. I think that watchOS still uses its own HR sensor every few minutes, just as it does outside of a workout throughout the day.

If you know anyone else with an HRM then it may be worth asking to borrow that to test it out. That way you will know if the problem is with iOS or the H10.
 
Question for the WOD-runners here: watchOS 9.2 has a "race route" feature. It requires that you have run a route twice to be able to select it as a racing route.
Could you please check if routes run with WOD are offered in the Apple app also? As they are in Apple Health there is a slight possibility that it is the case.

Just open the Apple app on your AW, select "Outdoor running" and "..." and there should be some routes to race against.

Thanks.
 
NME42 said:
Question for the WOD-runners here: watchOS 9.2 has a "race route" feature. It requires that you have run a route twice to be able to select it as a racing route.
Could you please check if routes run with WOD are offered in the Apple app also? As they are in Apple Health there is a slight possibility that it is the case.

Just open the Apple app on your AW, select "Outdoor running" and "..." and there should be some routes to race against.

Thanks.
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I do not have anything in there and I use WOD so I am guessing the answer is no.
 
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cfc said:
That is a shame. I doubt there is any way for third party apps to get around that.
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Yes, that is bad.
Was playing with the idea to feed this cool feature with preplanned race files just like Garmin PacePro does. But this seems impossible now.
 
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