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mgmooij

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The last time and only time i did a file sharing backup and restore it again using the same way, it didnt work. At the time i have only 2 runs just for test and none of them was restored.
I think the more reliable way its using somehow the native icloud backup system.
I dont want to start make runs, and after of 1 year of recordings, all of the history was gone.
I didnt know if using the file sharing, what folders must we restore from our MAC to the iphone. All of them? only the workouts folder?

thanks
Of course there should be a safe way to have a history as you mentioned (I also prefer being able to access the workouts directly in iCloud Drive), but for now it is also a possibility to export the workouts to Strava
 

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The last time and only time i did a file sharing backup and restore it again using the same way, it didnt work. At the time i have only 2 runs just for test and none of them was restored.
I think the more reliable way its using somehow the native icloud backup system.
I dont want to start make runs, and after of 1 year of recordings, all of the history was gone.
I didnt know if using the file sharing, what folders must we restore from our MAC to the iphone. All of them? only the workouts folder?

thanks

It is best to restore all the folders but you can pick and choose if you want. For example you may wish to restore workouts but not routes. This restore process is only necessary if you do not restore a new phone from the backup of an old one, which is the most common case.

I will look into iCloud usage but I do not want to make it a requirement because a lot of people (myself included) do not use iCloud. However if it can be made optional and looks useful then I will add it.
 

Capeto

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Thanks! Please let me know what you think and if you have any questions or suggestions.
Hey! I thought I would give you my feedback. As a bit of backstory, I typically use Apple’s Workout app on the Watch because I’m only a “casual” runner.

Since I’m starting the couch-to-10K program from the very beginning, there are a lot of intervals during the first few weeks (e.g., 8 intervals of 1 minute running + 1.5 min walking). I couldn’t find a way to easily change the workout type from running to walking (or the other way around) mid-run. However, if there was a way to make a predetermined workout and “launch” it when I’m ready to run, that would be incredibly helpful. I noticed there is a Workout section in the Phone app, but I haven’t seen a way to add/create a new workout (it just displays saved workouts from the watch, I think?).

Once I get into the longer running sessions of the program, I can see myself using the app to track my stats - I love the modularity and how granular many of the options are! Until then, though, I’ll have to stick with Apple’s Workout app for the next couple of weeks while I work my way up there.
 

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Hey! I thought I would give you my feedback. As a bit of backstory, I typically use Apple’s Workout app on the Watch because I’m only a “casual” runner.

Since I’m starting the couch-to-10K program from the very beginning, there are a lot of intervals during the first few weeks (e.g., 8 intervals of 1 minute running + 1.5 min walking). I couldn’t find a way to easily change the workout type from running to walking (or the other way around) mid-run. However, if there was a way to make a predetermined workout and “launch” it when I’m ready to run, that would be incredibly helpful. I noticed there is a Workout section in the Phone app, but I haven’t seen a way to add/create a new workout (it just displays saved workouts from the watch, I think?).

Once I get into the longer running sessions of the program, I can see myself using the app to track my stats - I love the modularity and how granular many of the options are! Until then, though, I’ll have to stick with Apple’s Workout app for the next couple of weeks while I work my way up there.

Many thanks for the feedback. It sounds like what you need is the Intervals functionality that I am currently adding for the next version. It will allow you to configure schedules, where you can create a set of intervals and then the app will guide you through them whilst you run.

You will be able to set a duration for each interval, and a target (e.g. a certain pace range or a heart rate range). You will also be able to configure what notifications you get during each interval, and what metrics are shown on the screen.

Unfortunately this new version won't be available for a couple of months because it will include a lot of other new features, but hopefully it will be worth the wait (although you may not need intervals as much by then). Thanks again for the feedback!
 
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Capeto

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Many thanks for the feedback. It sounds like what you need is the Intervals functionality that I am currently adding for the next version. It will allow you to configure schedules, where you can create a set of intervals and then the app will guide you through them whilst you run.

You will be able to set a duration for each interval, and a target (e.g. a certain pace range or a heart rate range). You will also be able to configure what notifications you get during each interval, and what metrics are shown on the screen.

Unfortunately this new version won't be available for a couple of months because it will include a lot of other new features, but hopefully it will be worth the wait (although you may not need intervals as much by then). Thanks again for the feedback!

Wow, really looking forwards to it! It’s not my first time falling off the training-for-a-10K wagon, so if for whatever reason I need to restart, it’s good knowing the app will have the functionality. Plus, I can always recommend it to friends looking to start, too.

I really appreciate you responding to feedback and implementing suggested features! I’m always happy to help and support developers like you. I’m looking forwards to getting in better shape and making WorkOutDoors part of my routine :)
 
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richard371

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Hi I’m enjoying the app so far. Seems even more accurate then the Apple workout app for maps. My quaestion is does it use the phone or watch gps when connected to the phone for the aw4? If it uses the aw4 gps how often does it update. Thanks.
 
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cfc

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Hi I’m enjoying the app so far. Seems even more accurate then the Apple workout app for maps. My quaestion is does it use the phone or watch gps when connected to the phone for the aw4? If it uses the aw4 gps how often does it update. Thanks.

Glad you are enjoying the app. If the iPhone is connected then the watch uses the phone's GPS. This is the same for any app because unfortunately Apple do not allow apps the ability to control where the GPS comes from.

The GPS seems to provide updates every second regardless of whether it is coming from the watch or the phone.
 

lasniko

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Hi there,

The current pace field while running didn’t show any data in my watch.

Any ideas?
 

cfc

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Hi there,

The current pace field while running didn’t show any data in my watch.

Any ideas?

By default the current pace comes from the pedometer, so my guess is that the app does not have permission to access it. Do you see any steps information? If not then run the Settings app on the iPhone and select Privacy then Motion & Fitness, then make sure Fitness Tracking is enabled and so is WorkOutDoors. Then go to the Watch app on the iPhone and select Privacy and ensure that Fitness Tracking is enabled there.

Alternatively you could tell the app to use the GPS to determine the pace. To do this press the watch screen hard and select Settings. The select Workout and switch off "Pace from Pedometer". Note that the GPS pace is usually less accurate though.

I hope this helps. Please let me know how you get on.
 

lasniko

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I had the iPhone’s Motion & Fitness option disabled.

But even with this option disabled the built-in workout app shows the current pace.

In general I think all the workout apps rely too much on the iPhone. (See GPS, now pedometer etc)

Where is the “indepedence” of the watch?? :)
 

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I had the iPhone’s Motion & Fitness option disabled.

But even with this option disabled the built-in workout app shows the current pace.

In general I think all the workout apps rely too much on the iPhone. (See GPS, now pedometer etc)

Where is the “indepedence” of the watch?? :)

The app uses the pedometer in the watch. I only mentioned the Motion & Fitness settings in both the iPhone and the watch for completeness.

The app works fine without the iPhone present. It will use the iPhone GPS if the phone is connected (unfortunately there is no way around that) but there is no requirement for the phone to be present whilst running a workout.

Presumably the native workout app uses the GPS pace, or resorts to using it if the pedometer has not been enabled (which is something WorkOutDoors will now do in the future!).
 

nunolopes

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It is best to restore all the folders but you can pick and choose if you want. For example you may wish to restore workouts but not routes. This restore process is only necessary if you do not restore a new phone from the backup of an old one, which is the most common case.

I will look into iCloud usage but I do not want to make it a requirement because a lot of people (myself included) do not use iCloud. However if it can be made optional and looks useful then I will add it.
Hello,
i´ve stop using the app since once i´ve to change to a new iPhone and the method of restoring the folders that i´ve previous save in my hard disk didnt work.
So for now, and once again, you´re app it´s the best out there in possibilitys, the chance of does not included in any type of backup with iCloud and after my experience with that method of trying to restore folders fail, (in my opinion it´s not a straight forward usage copy the folders manually to a hard disk), i´ve stop using the app and returned to the stock application.
I don't want to loose weeks, months of training reports just to when i need it, the copy-paste method fail.
 

digitalredeye

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I downloaded this app yesterday on my Nike+ Series 4 in order to begin a 10 week 10k training plan. It looks to have everything I need to finally get rid of my Fenix 5. Fingers crossed the app delivers.
 

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I downloaded this app yesterday on my Nike+ Series 4 in order to begin a 10 week 10k training plan. It looks to have everything I need to finally get rid of my Fenix 5. Fingers crossed the app delivers.

Thanks for buying the app. Please let me know if you have any questions about it or suggestions to improve it.
 

nunolopes

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Sorry you cannot restore the data. This link describes how to use File Sharing: https://drfone.wondershare.com/itunes-tips/itunes-file-sharing.html

I will look into iCloud in a future version.

Hello again. Just one last chance before I give up.... after I copy all the folders using the file sharing system, and after using a new phone, install the app, conect to iTunes, I have to put all the old folders again over the new ones to get my training back again in the health system? Just to confirm because I could did something wrong in the process of copy the files to the new iPhone.

Thanks
 

cfc

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Hello again. Just one last chance before I give up.... after I copy all the folders using the file sharing system, and after using a new phone, install the app, conect to iTunes, I have to put all the old folders again over the new ones to get my training back again in the health system? Just to confirm because I could did something wrong in the process of copy the files to the new iPhone.

Thanks

When you say the "health system" do you mean Apple's Health and Activity apps or the WorkOutDoors iPhone app?

Your description of the procedure to copy the files back via File Sharing is perfect and should make everything appear again in WorkOutDoors, but the Health and Activity apps are controlled by Apple.
 

nunolopes

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When you say the "health system" do you mean Apple's Health and Activity apps or the WorkOutDoors iPhone app?

Your description of the procedure to copy the files back via File Sharing is perfect and should make everything appear again in WorkOutDoors, but the Health and Activity apps are controlled by Apple.
It doesn’t appear. I have tried again copy the folders one by one to the Iphone and my runs don’t appear not even in the app himself
 

Significant1

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A minor annoyance. When I edit workout name on iPhone after workout, the keyboard stay up. Only way i Know to get rid of it, is to force close the app.
 

cfc

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A minor annoyance. When I edit workout name on iPhone after workout, the keyboard stay up. Only way i Know to get rid of it, is to force close the app.

It should disappear if you tap "Return" on the keyboard. I guess this isn't obvious though, so I will change it to say "Done" instead of "Return" in the next version.
 

Significant1

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It should disappear if you tap "Return" on the keyboard. I guess this isn't obvious though, so I will change it to say "Done" instead of "Return" in the next version.
I am confused. I works now .. Every time.. But I have tried return before.. Maybe gboard has something to do with. But right now I cannot trigger it, even with gboard.. Also tried to record a small workout, in case it was when new workout arrived.. But worked fine . Guess, I must see if it returns and if so, how I can reproduce it..

But I think calling it Done is a good suggestion and more obvious. Other apps also have a Ok bar on top of the keyboard, but I think Done is fine and take less room on my already small 4.7" display.
 

FunkyMagicUK

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Ahead of some tests for extending battery life for a long run...can anyone confirm if the Power Saving Mode in Settings → General → Workout applies a saving (and no heart rate data) to 3rd party apps like Workoutdoors?
 

cfc

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I am confused. I works now .. Every time.. But I have tried return before.. Maybe gboard has something to do with. But right now I cannot trigger it, even with gboard.. Also tried to record a small workout, in case it was when new workout arrived.. But worked fine . Guess, I must see if it returns and if so, how I can reproduce it..

But I think calling it Done is a good suggestion and more obvious. Other apps also have a Ok bar on top of the keyboard, but I think Done is fine and take less room on my already small 4.7" display.

It could be GBoard. To be honest I don't test the app for 3rd party keyboards because there are so many of them.
 

Significant1

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It could be GBoard. To be honest I don't test the app for 3rd party keyboards because there are so many of them.
While were are at it. Thanks for a nice app. I love the features and customization of screens. Just wish there was an indoor workout I could use on my elliptical trainer and weight training. Even if it was paid upgrade or new app (with a more fitting name), I would buy it.
 
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