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cfc

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Would it be possible for route names in include full stops / periods?

I'm not particularly imaginative so I usually name my routes with the date and distance (e.g. "2021 6.3km"), but I can't do that at present.
The names are effectively file names so the app does not allow characters that are not allowed or which have special meaning for file names. I may work around it in the future but it isn't high priority. Sorry about that.
 

sam3k

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The names are effectively file names so the app does not allow characters that are not allowed or which have special meaning for file names. I may work around it in the future but it isn't high priority. Sorry about that.
Thanks for the reply.

I know some filesystems don't mind extra "." in the filenames, as only the last one counts for the extension, so it might be an an easy change for just that symbol. Otherwise I shall make like the French and use a comma!
 

cfc

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Thanks for the reply.

I know some filesystems don't mind extra "." in the filenames, as only the last one counts for the extension, so it might be an an easy change for just that symbol. Otherwise I shall make like the French and use a comma!
The '.' is the only symbol that I may be able to add and still use file names because, as you say, multiple dots are probably ok. However I would have to check that all the file name parsing code handled it, which would take a while.

I may do it in the future but I am currently in the very late stages of releasing a beta so it is not the right time to make changes like that at the moment. Maybe in a future version.
 
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DontGetTheCheese

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I have a feature request, nested intervals.

Basically, I want to be able to do something like

Distance 3 miles
{
Run until HR above X
Walk until HR below X
}

Repeat the interval until I’ve covered the 3 miles. This wouldn’t just be heart rate, but any of the standard interval types: distance, time, etc.

I sometimes do workouts like this and the way I kind of manage it now is to just set the interval counter to the max number. It’s usually OK but it would be nice on some of the longer treks I do where I want to run but not superseriously.
 
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cfc

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I have a feature request, nested intervals.

Basically, I want to be able to do something like

Distance 3 miles
{
Run until HR above X
Walk until HR below X
}

Repeat the interval until I’ve covered the 3 miles. This wouldn’t just be heart rate, but any of the standard interval types: distance, time, etc.

I sometimes do workouts like this and the way I kind of manage it now is to just set the interval counter to the max number. It’s usually OK but it would be nice on some of the longer treks I do where I want to run but not superseriously.
I don't plan to make any changes to the interval functionality until I add the ability to import interval schedules from other sources (e.g. TrainingPeaks). When I do that I will re-assess what functionality to offer. This is on my list for the version after next, but currently lower priority than the always on display and route/navigation improvements.

In the meantime you could use a large repeat number, and if you have the distance alert enabled then it should notify you after each mile and you can manually end the workout on the 3rd notification. It sounds like that is what you are currently doing but if that is too distracting then you could change the alert to only inform you every 3 miles.
 

DontGetTheCheese

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I don't plan to make any changes to the interval functionality until I add the ability to import interval schedules from other sources (e.g. TrainingPeaks). When I do that I will re-assess what functionality to offer. This is on my list for the version after next, but currently lower priority than the always on display and route/navigation improvements.

In the meantime you could use a large repeat number, and if you have the distance alert enabled then it should notify you after each mile and you can manually end the workout on the 3rd notification. It sounds like that is what you are currently doing but if that is too distracting then you could change the alert to only inform you every 3 miles.
No worries. Just throwing it out there. What you described is basically what I do but I've started doing more complex intervals with distance so it was a thought I had.

Appreciate the app.
 
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Tinusvolkel

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The '.' is the only symbol that I may be able to add and still use file names because, as you say, multiple dots are probably ok. However I would have to check that all the file name parsing code handled it, which would take a while.

I may do it in the future but I am currently in the very late stages of releasing a beta so it is not the right time to make changes like that at the moment. Maybe in a future version.
Are you looking for an extra beta tester? because there is a bug in the stryd app... the app stops recording data when it's on the background, so i'm not able to navigate via WOD en record via the Stryd app.
 

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Are you looking for an extra beta tester? because there is a bug in the stryd app... the app stops recording data when it's on the background, so i'm not able to navigate via WOD en record via the Stryd app.
WatchOS only allows one app to run a workout at a time, so if you start a workout in Stryd and then start another one in WOD then watchOS would stop recording workout data for Stryd. To get around this you could use the Map Only mode in WOD, which does not start a workout.

It would be great if you could test the app. Please contact me at info@workoutdoors.net
 

Tinusvolkel

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WatchOS only allows one app to run a workout at a time, so if you start a workout in Stryd and then start another one in WOD then watchOS would stop recording workout data for Stryd. To get around this you could use the Map Only mode in WOD, which does not start a workout.

It would be great if you could test the app. Please contact me at info@workoutdoors.net
Thanks for the quick reply,

This was exactly what I did in the past and this worked perfectly but since watchOS 8 is this bug introduced according to the Stryd team.

And see your inbox for the mail :)
 
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Have an question about how why Strava doesn’t show that Apple Watch recorded the activity, like it does for Garmin watch in below screenshots?
 

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cfc

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Have an question about how why Strava doesn’t show that Apple Watch recorded the activity, like it does for Garmin watch in below screenshots?
This is because I have never worked out how to include the device name in the file sent to Strava in a way that they would recognise it. I have tried many things over the years and Strava never seems to show it.

Coincidentally I told this to another user a few weeks ago and he has just emailed me to say that he has contacted Strava to see what format is required. I hope he has more luck with them than I have!
 

Rio90

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I’ve just purchased the app and I’m planning to use it from the next workout…

I just want to know if, after the training, I will be able to see the workout details in the Apple native fitness app…

And also if I would be able to see Vo2Max measurements updated after each workout in the Apple native Health app..

I’m asking it because when I launch a workout from Strava Apple Watch app I cannot see all this datas as when I launch a workout from Apple workout app in the Apple Watch…
 
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cfc

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I’ve just purchased the app and I’m planning to use it from the next workout…

I just want to know if, after the training, I will be able to see the workout details in the Apple native fitness app…

And also if I would be able to see Vo2Max measurements updated after each workout in the Apple native Health app..

I’m asking it because when I launch a workout from Strava Apple Watch app I cannot see all this datas as when I launch a workout from Apple workout app in the Apple Watch…
Thanks for buying the app. It uses Apple's workout system so every workout is saved in their Health system and will be visible in their Fitness and Health apps. The VO2 Max metrics are calculated by watchOS, but not necessarily after every workout. But if it was calculated for workouts created by Apple's Workout app then it would be calculated for workouts created by WorkOutDoors.
 

TheMixam

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For me it seemed to take 2 or 3 runs before it started calculating vo2max. Since then, it updates after every run.

For other workouts it doesn’t update (at least for me).
 
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For me it seemed to take 2 or 3 runs before it started calculating vo2max. Since then, it updates after every run.

For other workouts it doesn’t update (at least for me).
A lot of people have said the same. That it can take a few workouts before watchOS/iOS starts calculating the VO2 Max.

Apple only calculate it for running, walking and hiking workouts.
 

NME42

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VO2max in Apple Health is really strange. Still can‘t see a pattern when it updates or not.
Suggest to use runalyze. What they calculate is transparent and reflects reality quite good in my experience.
 
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TheMixam

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VO2max in Apple Health is really strange. Still can‘t see a pattern when it updates or not.
Suggest to use runalyze. What they calculate is transparent and reflects reality quite good in my experience.
I think neither is any good. For me Apple Health is clearly over-exaggerating while Runalyze is all over the place.

DateVO₂max Apple HealthVO₂max Runalyze
11/1447,748,23
11/1647,844,97
11/184841,99
11/2047,739,78
11/2248,244,76
11/2448,342,03
11/2648,444,48
 
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NME42

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I think neither is any good. For me Apple Health is clearly over-exaggerating while Runalyze is all over the place.

DateVO₂max Apple HealthVO₂max Runalyze
11/1447,748,23
11/1647,844,97
11/184841,99
11/2047,739,78
11/2248,244,76
11/2448,342,03
11/2648,444,48
Are these values runalyze calculated for each run or is this the average overall?
Vo2max calculated per run is not a good indication as it depends on a variety of parameters. Only overall Vo2max is useful.
 

TheMixam

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Are these values runalyze calculated for each run or is this the average overall?
Vo2max calculated per run is not a good indication as it depends on a variety of parameters. Only overall Vo2max is useful.
Individual, but I don't see how the average of a set of wrong numbers would suddenly be correct. I did a 10K trail this summer and Runalyze gave me a VO2max of 22,71 for that run (altitude is shown correctly in Runalyze). That's just absurd.
 

NME42

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Individual, but I don't see how the average of a set of wrong numbers would suddenly be correct. I did a 10K trail this summer and Runalyze gave me a VO2max of 22,71 for that run (altitude is shown correctly in Runalyze). That's just absurd.
Did you set runalyze to use your elevation for the VO2max calculation?


(not sure if this text is in English, they automatically redirect me to a German page)
 

Rio90

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I accidentally delete the workout inside the Apple fitness app…

Now I’m trying to resend the workout from Apple Watch to the iPhone but it doesn’t come back in Apple Fitness..

Is there a way to make it visible again?
 

NME42

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Yes (I don't recall setting it manually, so it must have been enabled by default).

If it's (more or less) correct for you that's awesome, for me it just makes no sense.

It is not more or less accurate it is very accurate and not just for me.
Predicted my PR marathon running pace almost by second.
 

TheMixam

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It is not more or less accurate it is very accurate and not just for me.
Predicted my PR marathon running pace almost by second.
Runalyze has a massive dataset of training and racing paces so it's no surprise they can get very close regarding pace. Sadly they have nowhere near that amount of data for VO2max since it can only be accurately tested in a lab.

VO2max simply can't change that much in just a couple of days, and the average of a pool of wrong calculations won't magically be correct. And it's not even close, when I look at my monthly averages it still looks more like a random number generator than anything else.
 
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