Other Xs off to a rocky start

[1144557]

If you expect your $1,000 to be perfect from the gate, I'd hate to see what you expect out of your $50,000 car or $500,000 house.

The notion that even your $50,000 car is perfect, or 50 times better quality control since it costs 50 times more, out of the gate is generally a joke; it is probably far less free from issues than that $1,000 phone

This kind of stuff is typical forum over sensationalism. Happens ever year.

 

[Cape Dave]

One word. Pixel 3 XL LOL! Because that phone could not possibly have any issues. Or... could it?

 

[bruinsrme]

More condescending denialism that people will use to justify thier buying decisions in their mind.

Three XS max and an Xs in this house.
We all had reception issues. Oddly enough ATT updated the carrier settings again and this are noticeably better for us. Non issue now.

I am sitting here listening to 3 others say they love their phones.

They didn’t pay for the phones, I did. Knowing them, I would be the first to hear the complaints.

The Xs user originally got the 8+. When she say the Xs max she hinted at asking for a change. She too has no regrets

 

[1144557]

Sure, a software update is probably due tomorrow or sometime this week to help fix the charging issues. Wi-Fi issues, haven't noticed them because my internet is a low budget speed anyways. I still get my speed.

I just read this article about a terminated employee suing Apple the other night. He states Tim Cook's Apple is the polar opposite of Steve Jobs' Apple.

I'll link it below for people to read:

https://www.siliconvalley.com/2018/...fter-steve-jobs-death-former-engineer-claims/

"Eastman, who is representing himself in court..." which in lawyer speak means one of 2 things: no money or a crappy case. I would guess the former doesn't apply after working years for Apple with a decent salary. And considering its a $500k damages case someone would take it if it was a good case; even on contingency at 33%.

Id take nothing away from a disgruntled employee, who may simply be crazy, about corporate culture.

 

[ET iPhone Home]

Image processing issues
Reception issues
WiFi issues
Charging issues

Pretty poor for an S cycle device...

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I will say that I'm finding myself less "forgiving" of these issues the higher the price apple charges. If Apple wants to market its products as premium and prices them accordingly, then they need to roll out a premium experience.
The listed issues are not called for when dealing with a premium product and its disappointing

Apple is becoming to be similar to my experience with BMW. I owned two models, a 325i and X5, both had major issues during and after warranty. Never will I buy BMW ever again. Apple....!?!?

 

[1144557]

One word. Pixel 3 XL LOL! Because that phone could not possibly have any issues. Or... could it?

I would see the Pixel and raise Samsung, beyond the Note 7 or a hardware issue:

https://gizmodo.com/a-bug-in-samsungs-default-texting-app-is-sending-random-1827291759

buh buh Apple's not poyfect!! *pounds their lil fists*

Id consider the few software bugs here FAR FAR more minor compared to sending god knows what photos (singles or entire library) on your phone to random people in your contacts without knowing.

If you live in a cave not in the real world with tech then sure these seem like serious bugs.

 

[symphony]

That's exactly how my iPhone XS was compared to my wife's and my Pixel 2. The screen was a disgusting yellow compared to the others. I had sent it back.

Did you make an exchange? If so, how was the new one?

 

[Vermifuge]

I will say that I'm finding myself less "forgiving" of these issues the higher the price apple charges. If Apple wants to market its products as premium and prices them accordingly, then they need to roll out a premium experience.
The listed issues are not called for when dealing with a premium product and its disappointing

This is exactly my point. People can pull apart my analogy all they like but at the end of the day if Apple wants to “talk the talk” they also need to walk the walk.

 

[Wags]

Sure, a software update is probably due tomorrow or sometime this week to help fix the charging issues. Wi-Fi issues, haven't noticed them because my internet is a low budget speed anyways. I still get my speed.

I just read this article about a terminated employee suing Apple the other night. He states Tim Cook's Apple is the polar opposite of Steve Jobs' Apple.

I'll link it below for people to read:

https://www.siliconvalley.com/2018/...fter-steve-jobs-death-former-engineer-claims/
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Apple was almost dead after they fired him. Steve was about the product and experience. The profit would follow. Almost parallels then too. Seems about profit decisions first and product second.

Apple was almost dead after they fired him. Steve was about the product and experience. The profit would follow. Almost parallels then too. Seems about profit decisions first and product second.

 

[apolloa]

The iPhone X had other issues at launch like green marks on screens or phones freezing in colder climates. While Apple positioned its phones as a more premium models, the car example isn't completely accurate. $120k brand BMWs aren't as ubiquitous and not everyone can afford them. People have much more means to get an iPhone and less means to get a BMW.

Plus, Apple has had issues with more expensive products before. Their MacBooks had the keyboard problems before and some other noteworthy ones too. Nothing is perfect. Luxury cars aren't exempt from recalls either.

Maybe I am more realistic and wouldn't be surprised if Apple products have problems at launch like any other consumer product.

Not many people will pay for the XS,I think carriers offering three year contracts is proof enough of that. People expect a flawless product just like the M5 purchasers, because they are top end high priced products marketed as premium.
Apple has been going down hill with its devices, the keyboard issue you mention is another example of this, however if a mobile phone is incapable of getting a signal due to its antenna design, so rumoured, then it’s nothing more then an expensive paperweight full stop, and I do not know of ANY other premium priced expensive high end mass market product with such a flaw.

I do not know of any other mobile phone, bar the Note 7, that had a design flaw so bad it stopped it working as a mobile phone. That’s the big difference between not being perfect, and being a fundamentally flawed product.
This on top of the other issues like not charging pripely.

I don’t know why people apologise for these flaws all the time, I don’t go around thinking it’s fine, Apple makes crap products that don’t work but so does everyone else...

The M5 analogy is perfectly adequate to the iPhone XS and XS Max.

 

[Hieveryone]

Just sucks for a Snow Leopard like iOS release and an S-cycle

Not that all users are affected but from my calculations it does seem a bit bumpy. Not catastrophic but

Add screengate to the list too even tho all users aren’t affected (the XS max I saw was fine but I don’t doubt there are heaps of crap units)

What is screen gate? Please fill me in!

 

[apolloa]

How can a company just release these products without them going through some other strict quality control?

Because so far, enough people have been more then happy enough with their flawed products and throw more money at Apple. The more people who stop buying overpriced flawed products from them, the more they will change.

 

[1144557]

Because so far, enough people have been more then happy enough with their flawed products and throw more money at Apple. The more people who stop buying overpriced flawed products from them, the more they will change.

Such a complete logical fallacy.

In that case NO ONE should give Samsung a dang dime and they should be out of business after phones EXPLODED. Anyone who does is FAR more of a moron than "Apple sheep" by your logic.

And the Pixel line should be dead after the awful screens in the Pixel 2 XL.

Or maybe EVERYTHING has flaws in life and you have to accept some, and accept not EVERYONE has problems when talking millions of any one product.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Where do you see that? I intentionally didn't mention UT in the OP as the guy is indeed a charlatan who simply jumped on the bandwagon.

I use Tapatalk and have done for the last 5 years so the last media content of each thread shows in the thumbnail. I doubt it’s the same on the actual web view of this site but that’s not a view I’m familiar with.

 

[apolloa]

Such a complete logical fallacy.

In that case NO ONE should give Samsung a dang dime and they should be out of business after phones EXPLODED. Anyone who does is FAR more of a moron than "Apple sheep" by your logic.

And the Pixel line should be dead after the awful screens in the Pixel 2 XL.

Or maybe EVERYTHING has flaws in life and you have to accept some, and accept not EVERYONE has problems when talking millions of any one product.

You should of read my previous posts, because they answer your ridiculous post.
And having bad screen calibration, which the XS is also said to have, doesn’t stop the device actually functioning as a phone. And it is fixable, like Google did, by software updates.

 

[nviz22]

Not many people will pay for the XS,I think carriers offering three year contracts is proof enough of that. People expect a flawless product just like the M5 purchasers, because they are top end high priced products marketed as premium.
Apple has been going down hill with its devices, the keyboard issue you mention is another example of this, however if a mobile phone is incapable of getting a signal due to its antenna design, so rumoured, then it’s nothing more then an expensive paperweight full stop, and I do not know of ANY other premium priced expensive high end mass market product with such a flaw.

I do not know of any other mobile phone, bar the Note 7, that had a design flaw so bad it stopped it working as a mobile phone. That’s the big difference between not being perfect, and being a fundamentally flawed product.
This on top of the other issues like not charging pripely.

I don’t know why people apologise for these flaws all the time, I don’t go around thinking it’s fine, Apple makes crap products that don’t work but so does everyone else...

The M5 analogy is perfectly adequate to the iPhone XS and XS Max.

I am not being an Apple Apologist though. I could be critical of them as well. No split-screen multitasking, no PiP mode, a very underwhelming upgrade from the X to the XS, only 5w chargers out of the box, no adapters in the box, not even having 32 person FaceTime available at launch, dual SIM requiring an update to work, increasing the price for the highest end models.

Steve Jobs' Apple was much more revolutionary than Cook's financial performance driven Apple. Cook has made Apple the most profitable it has ever been, but it still isn't as innovative as a Jobs could've been by now.

I am hoping the signal problems are just software related. However, time will tell. If I have to exchange out my phone due to a manufacturer's defect, I will do it when absolutely necessary.

 

[rebretz000]

Did you make an exchange? If so, how was the new one?

Actually I returned both phones because of antenna issues. Both phones had weak signals at my house. My iPhone XS was averaging -10 dbm to -15 dbm worse than my Pixel depending on where I was in my house. In my basement the iPhone XS wouldn't get a signal at all. I compared a family members iPhone 8 and an old iPhone 5C to the Pixel 2 and iPhone XS as well as my Nexus 6P and all the phones except the iPhone XS had relatively the same signal strength. And when I talked to an Apple rep I told him about how I was standing in my front door with it open checking the signal strength and when I turned 90 degrees to the left and the signal dropped -10 dbm. He was very interested in that.
I really hope that Apple can fix the issue with a software update, I would much rather have the iPhone XS over the iPhone XR but either way I am definitely leaving Google and Android behind this year. I really love my Pixel phone and love what Google has done with it and it's software but Apple's walled garden ecosystem just puts Android to shame.
The two biggest Android manufactures rarely provide updates, Android fragmentation has not improved, and Android Wear OS is at least 2-3 years behind Apple watches. Also Apple's SOC are 2 years ahead of Qualcomm. The Ask Gerry Youtube channel explained it very well.
I just want an iPhone and the Apple Watch I ordered. I will own an iPhone by year end.

 

[apolloa]

I am not being an Apple Apologist though. I could be critical of them as well. No split-screen multitasking, no PiP mode, a very underwhelming upgrade from the X to the XS, only 5w chargers out of the box, no adapters in the box, not even having 32 person FaceTime available at launch, dual SIM requiring an update to work, increasing the price for the highest end models.

Steve Jobs' Apple was much more revolutionary than Cook's financial performance driven Apple. Cook has made Apple the most profitable it has ever been, but it still isn't as innovative as a Jobs could've been by now.

I am hoping the signal problems are just software related. However, time will tell. If I have to exchange out my phone due to a manufacturer's defect, I will do it when absolutely necessary.

Fair enough, good points.

I had a good play with the XS MAX, and to me it’s not worth the money, camera is fantastic, and it’s fast, but it’s a bit too unwieldy and heavy. And, to me, the OLED screen just isn’t half as clear as the LCD on the 8 Plus I tried! I much preferred the LCD screen. So it’s looking even better for that XR now

 

[nviz22]

Fair enough, good points.

I had a good play with the XS MAX, and to me it’s not worth the money, camera is fantastic, and it’s fast, but it’s a bit too unwieldy and heavy. And, to me, the OLED screen just isn’t half as clear as the LCD on the 8 Plus I tried! I much preferred the LCD screen. So it’s looking even better for that XR now

If the XR was available at launch, I would’ve probably gone that over the XS Max.

 

[EugW]

Fair enough, good points.

I had a good play with the XS MAX, and to me it’s not worth the money, camera is fantastic, and it’s fast, but it’s a bit too unwieldy and heavy. And, to me, the OLED screen just isn’t half as clear as the LCD on the 8 Plus I tried! I much preferred the LCD screen. So it’s looking even better for that XR now

I don't mind the size of the XS Max, probably because I've gotten used to the 7 Plus. I usually have to use the 7 Plus with two hands anyway, so that wouldn't change with the XS Max. The weight doesn't bother me either.

I think the XS Max's screen is very, very nice, especially with regards to text clarity. However, it's basically impossible to test for PWM flickering with actual extended in the store, even if you're there for say an hour or so, because they have such bright lights in there. As I understand it, Apple doesn't use PWM flickering until about 35-50% brightness or something like that, but it's so bright in the store, you'd usually want the brightness well above 50%.

In terms of comparison against the 8 Plus, I think the OLED and 8 Plus screens are very similar in clarity, with the 8 screen a notch below both the 8 Plus and OLED.

 

[apolloa]

I don't mind the size of the XS Max, probably because I've gotten used to the 7 Plus. I usually have to use the 7 Plus with two hands anyway, so that wouldn't change with the XS Max. The weight doesn't bother me either.

I think the XS Max's screen is very, very nice, especially with regards to text clarity. However, it's basically impossible to test for PWM flickering with actual extended in the store, even if you're there for say an hour or so, because they have such bright lights in there. As I understand it, Apple doesn't use PWM flickering until about 35-50% brightness or something like that, but it's so bright in the store, you'd usually want the brightness well above 50%.

In terms of comparison against the 8 Plus, I think the OLED and 8 Plus screens are very similar in clarity, with the 8 screen a notch below both the 8 Plus and OLED.

Nope not in my eyes, it was a clear win for LCD, the OLED wasn’t as good with its clarity. A downside to its higher PPI most likely. PWM has nothing to do with it.
I would personally be very annoyed at spending that much on the XS Max and then seeing how much clear the 8 Plus was.

Not everyone will see an OLED as the best screen because of its sticker price.. we all have different eyes and brains.

 

[Vermifuge]

If the XR was available at launch, I would’ve probably gone that over the XS Max.

That's exactly what Apple was banking on with its month delayed release.

 

[nviz22]

That's exactly what Apple was banking on with its month delayed release.

T-Mobile actually made the decision easier due to a BOGO deal. I got the phone cheaper than I would've paid for the XR outright.

 

[EugW]

That's exactly what Apple was banking on with its month delayed release.

Under that logic, the X would have come out right away last year, or perhaps earlier than the 8/8+.

Most of the analysts believe the XR was delayed due to component supply issues, and in fact said so several months before the actual launch. The specific issue was the LCD. Not sure what the problem was, but this is Apple's biggest phone LCD, as well as its first LCD with a notch, and also Apple's first display of any sort using the CGS process.

 

[DNichter]

Under that logic, the X would have come out right away last year, or perhaps earlier than the 8/8+.

Most of the analysts believe the XR was delayed due to component supply issues, and in fact said so several months before the actual launch. The specific issue was the LCD. Not sure what the problem was, but this is Apple's biggest phone LCD, as well as its first LCD with a notch, and also Apple's first display of any sort using the CGS process.

I read that it was light bleed issues around the notch that they needed to figure out.