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tcdesign

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Apple next year will be moving away from Retina (right now the 13" are using the old stock of retintas from last year to just get rid of them) before they introduce IGZO... so everyone is buying old retina with haswell. Have to get rid of old stock of displays to cut down the money loss.

It is more likely the process of laminating the glass onto the panel, or some stage of manufacture, that causes the yellow tint - not the screen itself. Hence why there are cases of yellowing on all LG and Samsung screen types.

There is nothing to suggest IGZO displays will solve the problem. The Retina iPad mini has an IGZO display and has yellowing issues too.
 

johnnylarue

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my video do right not, sorry is in portuguese, but see corner left side and a little right side. midle is good

is my 3 but i thing go return and money back...with my sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hpethtsH2w

Once again, I would suggest trying one with a more recent serial number before giving up...

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Its only yellow when i compare it to my wifes cool screen. For example what is the true color of this webpage? My wife's laptop shows the colors to be violet. Mine shows it to be a slight beige.

It's violet. But if your screen is otherwise uniform in tone, you can very easily calibrate it to a more accurate/cooler white. I would exchange it if it's only yellow in certain areas, but if the whole display has a warm tint it's pretty easy to correct.

I will say that the MR forums page, with all of its subtle light tonal shifts, has the potential to drive "yellow tint seekers" absolutely crazy.

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Did you take the pic with an iphone?

Yup.
 

Alexjones

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Please explain the best way to calibrate with the built in calibration tool. I will give it a shot.
 
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johnnylarue

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Please explain the best way to calibrate with the built in calibration tool. I will give it a shot.

Bearing in mind that calibrating by eye is far from scientific, here are a few very basic suggestions for you:

- Get thee to a dark room.

- Turn your brightness up as much as you can without it actually hurting your eyes. (These retina displays aren't eye-scorchingly bright, so you should be able to handle max brightness for a few minutes.)

- If the colours already look pretty good to you, you might want to start by skipping past the first several calibration steps and adjusting only the white balance. Get your wife's computer next to yours, set it to an equivalent brightness level, and adjust the white balance slider until your screen temperature matches that of your wife's display.

- If the colours on your display still look natural after this adjustment, save the profile and you're good.

You can also try a separate, full calibration from scratch and see what you end up with, but once again this method rates as rather poor substitute for using a proper calibration device.
 

Alexjones

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May 28, 2010
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Bearing in mind that calibrating by eye is far from scientific, here are a few very basic suggestions for you:

- Get thee to a dark room.

- Turn your brightness up as much as you can without it actually hurting your eyes. (These retina displays aren't eye-scorchingly bright, so you should be able to handle max brightness for a few minutes.)

- If the colours already look pretty good to you, you might want to start by skipping past the first several calibration steps and adjusting only the white balance. Get your wife's computer next to yours, set it to an equivalent brightness level, and adjust the white balance slider until your screen temperature matches that of your wife's display.

- If the colours on your display still look natural after this adjustment, save the profile and you're good.

You can also try a separate, full calibration from scratch and see what you end up with, but once again this method rates as rather poor substitute for using a proper calibration device.

I tried to calibrate and it seems ok. I moved the white point setting to about 7000. I must say though, Pre calibrated, This display was truly yellow. thanks
 

johnnylarue

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I tried to calibrate and it seems ok. I moved the white point setting to about 7000. I must say though, Pre calibrated, This display was truly yellow. thanks

Good to hear. Try it out for a while and see how it sits with you.

It's all completely subjective--some people prefer a slightly yellow display because it's a bit gentler on the eyes than harsh white. YMMV, as the saying goes.

And bear in mind that you save as many calibration profiles as you like, so feel free to try going through the entire calibration process a few times and see if your results improve. Very easy to switch back and forth between profiles.
 

Alexjones

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Good to hear. Try it out for a while and see how it sits with you.

It's all completely subjective--some people prefer a slightly yellow display because it's a bit gentler on the eyes than harsh white. YMMV, as the saying goes.

And bear in mind that you save as many calibration profiles as you like, so feel free to try going through the entire calibration process a few times and see if your results improve. Very easy to switch back and forth between profiles.

Actually, The pre calibrated white point looks better. I will keep the native. Am i safe to assume that if i exchange this, I will have the same yellow tint out of the box on the new one? BTW, I do however notice the shifting of colors on this page.
 

johnnylarue

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Actually, The pre calibrated white point looks better. I will keep the native. Am i safe to assume that if i exchange this, I will have the same yellow tint out of the box on the new one? BTW, I do however notice the shifting of colors on this page.

With regards to the shifting of colours, make sure that's not just a result of your viewing angle. Try looking at same area from a lower height and see if the colour still looks off. A small variance in tone according to your viewing angle is normal.

My first display (Samsung) had no apparent yellow tint but the backlighting was uneven. This was an "M" model from late October.

My replacement, also a Samsung, is a "Q" model from mid-November and is uniform with no yellow tint.

If you decide to exchange your machine, my advice is to try to get a more "factory fresh" model as I have seen fewer complaints about these in general. (But no guarantees, unfortunately.)
 

Alexjones

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"If you decide to exchange your machine, my advice is to try to get a more "factory fresh" model as I have seen fewer complaints about these in general. (But no guarantees, unfortunately.)"

Ok, I gave in and exchanged my rMBP . My new one has a serial number with the fifth letter of P. It is an LG.
 

MacSumo

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Nov 26, 2013
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Why is Apple producing so many faulty products? It's kind of sad such that people support Apple's macbook pro when it clearly has lots of problems. If you're going to settle for a problematic computer, why paying top dollar for it?
 

johnnylarue

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"If you decide to exchange your machine, my advice is to try to get a more "factory fresh" model as I have seen fewer complaints about these in general. (But no guarantees, unfortunately.)"

Ok, I gave in and exchanged my rMBP . My new one has a serial number with the fifth letter of P. It is an LG.

I think "P" is just a week or two old. How's it look?

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If you're going to settle for a problematic computer, why paying top dollar for it?

Because they're not all problematic. I suspect that most of them aren't.
 

Alexjones

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" I think "P" is just a week or two old. How's it look?"
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Its ok Johnny. It still has that warm tone just like my other one. I will keep it. I am looking at in in the dark. So far, so good. This convinces me that retinas for the most part are warm.... Sammy, LG, Old and new. BTW its a LP154WT1-SJE1
 
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Ryan1524

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Another reference point, for what it's worth.

I generally feel my screen's pretty uniform. Any hint of imperfection is very difficult for even me to retain, which makes me think I may be imagining it (thanks to this thread). I'm not returning it, not exchanging it. At the moment it doesn't bother me, outside of curiosity with this thread.

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These were taken with a Nikon D700 in a dark room.
In raw, exported to JPEG maximum.
Auto white balance - iPhoto showing 5924. Lightroom showing 5650.

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MacSumo

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Another reference point, for what it's worth.

I generally feel my screen's pretty uniform. Any hint of imperfection is very difficult for even me to retain, which makes me think I may be imagining it (thanks to this thread). I'm not returning it, not exchanging it. At the moment it doesn't bother me, outside of curiosity with this thread.

LSN154YL01-A01
These were taken with a Nikon D700 in a dark room.
In raw, exported to JPEG maximum.
Auto white balance - iPhoto showing 5924.

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Get a colorimeter and do an objective test.

Subjectively, I see vignetting around the bottom left area of your screen.
 

Ryan1524

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Get a colorimeter and do an objective test.

Subjectively, I see vignetting around the bottom left area of your screen.


From those pictures, I agree.

In person, with a variety of plain white, light/dark grey, bars, etc, I don't see it.

The purpose of these pictures is to show what a single user sample, me, can view as acceptable. And I'm willing to bet that if you saw it in person, you'd have a hard time discerning any imperfection if I didn't point them out to you.
 

MacSumo

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Nov 26, 2013
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From those pictures, I agree.

In person, with a variety of plain white, light/dark grey, bars, etc, I don't see it.

The purpose of these pictures is to show what a single user sample, me, can view as acceptable. And I'm willing to bet that if you saw it in person, you'd have a hard time discerning any imperfection if I didn't point them out to you.

Yes, that's true. A single subjective test doesn't meet scientific rigor. That's why an objective test would help you out.

However, if you admit that you know of imperfections, then it follows that you accept paying a premium for an inadequate display. While that's entirely your own prerogative, I wouldn't agree to that personally.
 

Ryan1524

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Yes, that's true. A single subjective test doesn't meet scientific rigor. That's why an objective test would help you out.

However, if you admit that you know of imperfections, then it follows that you accept paying a premium for an inadequate display. While that's entirely your own prerogative, I wouldn't agree to that personally.


I think there may be one, but I'm not sure if it's just my eyes. I don't always see it, and I have to stare at it pretty long to even convince myself it's there.

I do quite a bit of photography, and don't tolerate colour/brightness shifts. I've decided that this is sufficiently perfect for my use. If someday I see it side-by-side with a screen that proves me wrong, I'll exercise my AppleCare.
 

MacSumo

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Nov 26, 2013
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I think there may be one, but I'm not sure if it's just my eyes. I don't always see it, and I have to stare at it pretty long to even convince myself it's there.

I do quite a bit of photography, and don't tolerate colour/brightness shifts. I've decided that this is sufficiently perfect for my use. If someday I see it side-by-side with a screen that proves me wrong, I'll exercise my AppleCare.

Invest in a $100 colorimeter. Test your display a few times. Then return the colorimeter. At least you will know objectively the quality of your display. And if it has problems, you have reports to backup your claim at Apple Care.

Best of luck.
 

johnnylarue

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I think there may be one, but I'm not sure if it's just my eyes. I don't always see it, and I have to stare at it pretty long to even convince myself it's there.

I do quite a bit of photography, and don't tolerate colour/brightness shifts. I've decided that this is sufficiently perfect for my use. If someday I see it side-by-side with a screen that proves me wrong, I'll exercise my AppleCare.

Outside of buying a colorimeter, you can try looking at your display from a few different heights/angles. For instance, angling the screen back can often appear to reduce the warmth in the lower third of the display.
 

Ryan1524

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I did.

I looked at it from all angles, and also upside down. Sometimes the subtle area of warmth shifts to another place, or follows my focus. So it may just be fatigue.

This thread is like WebMD. Everybody thinks they have cancer. Sometimes it's the power of suggestion and other factors. I bet quite a few people here who are borderline unsure, don't actually have anything wrong with their screens.
 

MacSumo

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Nov 26, 2013
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I did.

I looked at it from all angles, and also upside down. Sometimes the subtle area of warmth shifts to another place, or follows my focus. So it may just be fatigue.

This thread is like WebMD. Everybody thinks they have cancer. Sometimes it's the power of suggestion and other factors. I bet quite a few people here who are borderline unsure, don't actually have anything wrong with their screens.

Except looking at your screen in a dark room is a dead give away of backlight issues.

Another simple test is to see the minimum level of brightness required to read comfortably to determine the quality of the panel. Anything below the 60-70% range indicates low quality.
 
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