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Yosemite looks terrible!
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I hear you, and originally I was opposed to tweaking too.
But after I tried applying the Schreiberstein solution (with a promised built-in undo) to re-set the system font to Lucida Grande and being so pleased with that result, I discarded my further reluctance and gradually accumulated a long list of tweaks and kludges to bring my brand-new MBP running Yosemite back to looking and working as close as I could bring it to my four year old Mac running Mavericks; all of which, I nevertheless contend, should never have been necessary. And who knows what followup OS X version installer may do to undo all those tweaks? If so, I hope I remember where I kept my list of all of them.
Since an Apple system installer knows everything about the hardware and guts of your Mac as soon as it reads it to begin the installation process, it should have been Apple's job to write the Yosemite installer to tweak my MBP as necessary to give me the fonts, sharpness and clarity etc. I had with my four year old MBP running Mavericks. And to simply leave me with simple instructions as to any further adjustments I might have chosen if any.
Would that have been too much to ask of Apple?
Etan
PS - Just to clarify, I'm not debating the artwork changes that happy Yosemite fans seem so eager to spar about; I'm talking about the functional deficiencies discussed above in this thread.
I hope you're keeping a well annotated list of all these changes in a single, easy to find location.
There're few things worse than an update that breaks some essential tweak you put in two years ago, and you can't remember its name, where it came from or how it was installed.
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iagree after using mac as i upgraded an old macbook internally to run yosemite
and went back to mavericks but i prefere windows over mac anyway through and through because with the older macs third party like google cannot install on it unless u hunt high and low i also ran yosmite on my pc aswell thinking the graaphics chip not good enough but thats how they designed it yuuuuuk!!!!!!! been made by a 2 year old no sorry a 2 year old can design a better interface i thought windows 10 was ugly but on the scale of ugly apple wins
as longs keep doing a cleanup on windows costantly which i do i never realy have a problem also mac cant run games like tdu2 like windows and os in windows never need upgrading just to run an app sorry everyone but i dont pesonally think os x is that good sorry apple fans
iagree after using mac as i upgraded an old macbook internally to run yosemite
and went back to mavericks but i prefere windows over mac anyway through and through because with the older macs third party like google cannot install on it unless u hunt high and low i also ran yosmite on my pc aswell thinking the graaphics chip not good enough but thats how they designed it yuuuuuk!!!!!!! been made by a 2 year old no sorry a 2 year old can design a better interface i thought windows 10 was ugly but on the scale of ugly apple wins
as longs keep doing a cleanup on windows costantly which i do i never realy have a problem also mac cant run games like tdu2 like windows and os in windows never need upgrading just to run an app sorry everyone but i dont pesonally think os x is that good sorry apple fans
Agreed! Very good point! I have a fairly good list, but I could probably improve it by adding a little more detail as to what each tweak does, or attempts to do, to improve performance.
Etan
Apologies for being late to this thread, but only just converted one of my machines to Yosemite. For the life of somebody, who the hell got the sign off of this! I believe we left black and white television a long time ago, but, what!! This is regression!! My 2yr old niece can design this **** in a morning! WTF!
That's my five pennieth! Happy days, welcome to the future! Ha!
That's my five pennieth! Happy days, welcome to the future! Ha!
This might be a nice way to override the minimalist UI with something more pleasing but development is still underway for a new version for Yosemite. I added myself to their mailing list and hopefully they'll have a release sooner than later.
http://flavours.interacto.net
A long time ago I used a similar kind of product from Stardock to make my PC look like a Mac with the Aqua interface. It helped me to deal with the sadness until I could one day have a Mac to call my own.
http://flavours.interacto.net
A long time ago I used a similar kind of product from Stardock to make my PC look like a Mac with the Aqua interface. It helped me to deal with the sadness until I could one day have a Mac to call my own.
Expect Yosemite to appear less troublesome with Flavours 2
+1 but (a few pages back) Flavours 2 can't be a panacea.
+1 but (a few pages back) Flavours 2 can't be a panacea.
I would urge everyone to go to the CNET user rating site on Yosemite:
http://www.cnet.com/products/mac-os-x-10-10-yosemite/user-reviews/
and enter your opinion there. Maybe somebody at Apple reads that? So far, there are only 6 user reviews.
Judging by what is being said here, there should be a ton of user reviews!
Please do your part!
Thanks,
Etan
http://www.cnet.com/products/mac-os-x-10-10-yosemite/user-reviews/
and enter your opinion there. Maybe somebody at Apple reads that? So far, there are only 6 user reviews.
Judging by what is being said here, there should be a ton of user reviews!
Please do your part!
Thanks,
Etan
Well, if sending feedback directly to Apple doesn't help I don't see how adding to an old CNET poll that was missed/ignored by very nearly the entire population of Mac users will make any difference.
Personally, I think directing comments to the source of the issue is the way to go and from there one can only hope they are taken seriously.
I wish Tim Cook would fire Jony Ive and find somebody who knows how to design an attractive UI for OS X that is a step forward. In the meantime, a point release that reverts to Mavericks appearance, etc. would be nice.
None of that is going to happen of course but I can dream I guess.
I haven't looked lately but I'd bet KDE on Linux looks much nicer than OS X does currently, even Gnome might.
I also think that annual OS X upgrades are a mistake and Yosemite is living proof of this in many ways. It would be far better to have significantly longer development cycles that importantly permit significantly longer test cycles followed by bug fixing and regression testing, etc., etc. It would also grant users longer lifetimes for their app purchases before operating system changes break them necessitating in some cases outright replacements that cost time and money.
You always see the greatest incidence of problems with software development when schedules are rushed by management and marketing. In the worst case scenarios a critical mass is reached where projects can and do breakdown and fail completely. There is a process that needs to be followed in software engineering and you can only push it so fast and throwing more people at it does not help. However, doing that can make things worse.
For me, the unfortunate thing is that certain system changes like graphics driver updates are in Yosemite thus I do not want to revert to Mavericks. If it were not for certain improvements that could easily have pushed out to Mavericks as point releases, I would still be running that. But no.
Personally, I think directing comments to the source of the issue is the way to go and from there one can only hope they are taken seriously.
I wish Tim Cook would fire Jony Ive and find somebody who knows how to design an attractive UI for OS X that is a step forward. In the meantime, a point release that reverts to Mavericks appearance, etc. would be nice.
None of that is going to happen of course but I can dream I guess.
I haven't looked lately but I'd bet KDE on Linux looks much nicer than OS X does currently, even Gnome might.
I also think that annual OS X upgrades are a mistake and Yosemite is living proof of this in many ways. It would be far better to have significantly longer development cycles that importantly permit significantly longer test cycles followed by bug fixing and regression testing, etc., etc. It would also grant users longer lifetimes for their app purchases before operating system changes break them necessitating in some cases outright replacements that cost time and money.
You always see the greatest incidence of problems with software development when schedules are rushed by management and marketing. In the worst case scenarios a critical mass is reached where projects can and do breakdown and fail completely. There is a process that needs to be followed in software engineering and you can only push it so fast and throwing more people at it does not help. However, doing that can make things worse.
For me, the unfortunate thing is that certain system changes like graphics driver updates are in Yosemite thus I do not want to revert to Mavericks. If it were not for certain improvements that could easily have pushed out to Mavericks as point releases, I would still be running that. But no.
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What driver updates? Apple doesn't normally update graphic drivers unless something is completely broken. It's part of why gaming has such a bad reputation on the Mac. Apple is more interested in making OSX into iOS than anything constructive these days.
What do you really need - next!
Whether it's Yosimite. iOS7 or iOS8 it doesn't really matter for the average person. There's virtually nothing new ... nothing compelling for me to upgrade from Mavericks or even iOS6 for that matter. Yeah, I lost Facetime when my wife upgraded to iOS7 but do we really need to facetime - No!
I have complete Home Automation, Home Theater - I work remote many days using Citrix and I have every functionality in multiple distributed Mini's, iPhones, iPads along with a NAS and Time Capsule that I could ask for.
Why do I care if Yosimite looks terrible ... well just about everything Apple was elegant at one time and yeah, that stings a bit. And NO ... ABSOLUTELY NO I don't think the Cloud is the answer and I want those choices to be mine right along with an elegant functional desktop... and that is why Apple and I are on separate paths until the next paradigm in computing or until everything stops working.
Whether it's Yosimite. iOS7 or iOS8 it doesn't really matter for the average person. There's virtually nothing new ... nothing compelling for me to upgrade from Mavericks or even iOS6 for that matter. Yeah, I lost Facetime when my wife upgraded to iOS7 but do we really need to facetime - No!
I have complete Home Automation, Home Theater - I work remote many days using Citrix and I have every functionality in multiple distributed Mini's, iPhones, iPads along with a NAS and Time Capsule that I could ask for.
Why do I care if Yosimite looks terrible ... well just about everything Apple was elegant at one time and yeah, that stings a bit. And NO ... ABSOLUTELY NO I don't think the Cloud is the answer and I want those choices to be mine right along with an elegant functional desktop... and that is why Apple and I are on separate paths until the next paradigm in computing or until everything stops working.
The most recent update was just days ago but you are right in that this one at least was primarily to fix something seriously broken. I would suspect however that a recent update to the driver introduced the bug fixed in this update not that I've bothered to look up any proof of that. It just seems unlikely that an issue this severe was an outstanding problem for very long.
http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/16/supplemental-update-os-x-yosemite-10-10-3-released/
Here you go, see, Apple updates the GPU drivers all the time!
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1150?locale=en_US
Jokes aside, I spoke to second tier support at Nvidia about this and they indicated that new driver revisions are sent to Apple as fast as they release them but of course these are subject to changes and release by Apple at their own discretion.
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I didn't know about this poll or even about CNet polls. I've added it to my links.
But you are right, I doubt if it would make any difference. Surely, this and other threads amount to an avalanche of complaints about Yosemite over several weeks would by now have been noticed by
CNET had a similar user-review for iOS 7, except there were a lot of entries. The overall rating wasn't very good, probably about the equivalent of a a "poor" with most complaining about the appearance.
I find it somewhat interesting that the user ratings seem to correlate with what you see on the Apple App Store reviews. In the U.S. App Store the negativity is actually getting worse as more versions come out. Right now (April 22, 2015) it's showing me:
79 - 5 star
19 - 4 star
26 - 3 star
52 - 2 star
201 - 1 star
I doubt Apple pays any attention to what's on a small CNET review, but I hope they pay attention to what's being reported in their own App Store. This is being consistently reviews as "poor" IMHO.
I find it somewhat interesting that the user ratings seem to correlate with what you see on the Apple App Store reviews. In the U.S. App Store the negativity is actually getting worse as more versions come out. Right now (April 22, 2015) it's showing me:
79 - 5 star
19 - 4 star
26 - 3 star
52 - 2 star
201 - 1 star
I doubt Apple pays any attention to what's on a small CNET review, but I hope they pay attention to what's being reported in their own App Store. This is being consistently reviews as "poor" IMHO.
I think Photos is driving these reviews, people can live with ugly but Photos takes dumbing down to new limits.
I'd love to discuss that, but this topic might be not the best place. Morpheo, would you like to choose a topic?
I'm surprised. I imagined that 10.10.3 would be more pleasing.
I vaguely recall launching a pre-release version of the app, but no recollection of actually using the app with a photo or any other type of image. Whilst I love my photos, I genuinely had zero interest in how Photos might behave. That's how much Yosemite alienated me.
For a few weeks after the release of Yosemite, it touched a nerve whenever I noticed an incompatible update in the Mavericks view of the App Store. Then, I don't know exactly when, that hidden list of updates became negligible. It's just a horizontal line, a point of separation.
Trust me,
Topics such as this are not ignored by Apple. But this (in the macrumors.com domain) can't be effective as feedback in the apple.com domain.
Surely, this and other threads amount to an avalanche of complaints about Yosemite over several weeks would by now have been noticed by
For a long time https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=Yosemite ugly was a lahar not quite an avalanche. For anyone one who wonders about the reduced flow of debris in recent weeks: https://twitter.com/gregkare/status/587728592911654913
For posterity and convenience: http://tinyurl.com/1010uglystick (the flow of additions to that list slowed some time after the number of bookmarks exceeded a thousand).
When I first started using OS X I was using it as an X windows system. I would run X windows full screen. It's been so long since I tried that I don't even know if it's possible any longer, but I assume it is. It might be an interesting experiment to run a Mac like this with some of the newer additional GUI front ends for X, assuming they'd work (I don't know the answer to that).
The idea that an industrial designer/artist, who himself has stated that he doesn't know much about operating systems is now running the show is a scary idea. I seriously think he really doesn't understand how people that use computers for real work use the systems.
If the Unix core of OS X is taken out and replaced by some "improvement" there will be no need at all for me to use OS X at all. In fact, employment would basically dictate that the system would be of no use to me any longer. Unfortunately, I think I can see this happening sometime in the future.
The idea that an industrial designer/artist, who himself has stated that he doesn't know much about operating systems is now running the show is a scary idea. I seriously think he really doesn't understand how people that use computers for real work use the systems.
If the Unix core of OS X is taken out and replaced by some "improvement" there will be no need at all for me to use OS X at all. In fact, employment would basically dictate that the system would be of no use to me any longer. Unfortunately, I think I can see this happening sometime in the future.
Exactly! For those who occasionally visit this forum to ridicule and accuse us of just being a bunch of crybabies who don't appreciate the "genius" of Yosemite, take a look at today's entry on the Apple Support Communities from another loyal Mac user who is part of a company that has been dependent upon their Macs to run a video and graphic production firm, and how badly Yosemite has instantly, negatively and severely affected their productivity and their work environment:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/28125902?ac_cid=tw123456#28125902
His company apparently doesn't seem to think that the giddiness of miraculously turning their Macs into giant iPhones offsets what Yosemite has done to their business operation.
Etan
How can a Retina MBP run Snow Leopard...?
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Wanna bet...?
People complained that iOS 7 looks terrible... What do these complainants get...? They get ignored and iOS 8 is still the same ****...
I think this is the essence of the problems. Be it the naive/primitive style OS or the fashion over functionality phenomenon.
And as you have put it and some of us pointed out in other threads, the power struggle after S.J. resulted in a One Man Show (not to be confused with the well-known, retro After Shave, Eau De Toilette).
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