Yosemite looks terrible!

[andreiru]

Agreed. Perhaps not terrible but will take some getting used to. it's also running jerkily as hell and nowhere near the level of detail nor optimisation vs Mav. That's to be excepted, of course. But this far I am thinking of reverting to before. Good job I've got an adequate backup. It keeps downloading tens of thousands of my mail in any moment and in a loop (150k in total on there). Maybe that's part of the reason why it's jerky. 89k e-mails downloading right now even though I stop it every 10 minutes.

 

[Supermacguy]

Agreed with the thread title, Yosemite SUCKS. And it's not just opinion. Human vision is not set up to see all flat colors and flat objects. Humans see in 3D. The bevels of buttons and icons make them appear realistic to us, and that helps people recognize the items easily and quickly. Flat buttons with no depth create a real problem for many people to see, and it requires more dwelling on the item to visually identify it, or to identify if it is a pushable button or not.
Also the Helvetica font was NEVER really intended to be a small text font. It's x height vs width is too equal, that is the round part of e and h are the same size and it is more difficult to read the font in less than perfect or large conditions. It's not just an "opinion", it's objectively a poor choice for reading, it actually slows down recognition because it's too hard to identify characters easily.
Transparency is "cool" but the newness wears off very quickly. It doesn't really add usability to the UI/Finder.
If there was a way I could stick with Mavs UI forever, I would.

 

[nontroppo]

I'm a scientist who studies visual perception, and saying that "flat" is "objectively worse" is just not correct. Human vision can effortlessly segment objects using a range of cues, we are very capable and quick at segmenting surface features (think of reading for a clear example, only high frequency luminance cues are available). Pseudo-3D is just another cue. The arguments for/against which cues to use can't appeal to objectivity so easily, these are subjective/design arguments not scientific ones...

I personally dislike Helvetica, but again is there evidence that helvetica causes significantly slower reading rates than another sans-serif font?

 

[pcd109]

not quite

For those of you comparing this
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To this
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you need a new argument please.

It's funny how people try everything to just to prove their point of view. What you showed us was more like a screenshot from OS 1-4. We are talking about a OS7 look a like. So let's be honest IT DOES LOOK LIKE A GO BACK. I don't know about you, but i worked quite a lot on OS 7.5(yea, i'm older then i like to admit) so i know what i am talking about. And i also got the change from os7 to os8 witch introduced 3d bars and all and looked much better. The only thing i really don't like about the new look is that black apple logo. I don't know who t* f* came up back again with that ugly looking darth vader black Apple logo, but i just hate it. I know, it's there since Leopard, I STILL DON"T LIKE IT. Other then this, the only thing i don't like on new look are the windows buttons(close,minimize, maximize). The look is elegant and i must admit i kinda like it. But it does look like old days are back....

 

[11201ny]

Haters gonna hate.
I think it's great.

 

[HiVolt]

Blurrrr

I can live with the flatter design, but what I can't absolutely stand is the overuse of blur absolutely everywhere, even blurring huge areas of the screen.

I sincerely hope that this is configurable, if not by default but at least 3rd party tools.

In iOS7 this drove me nuts until the jailbreak came out and tools slowly became available to remove blurs from various elements.

 

[deluxeshredder]

I can live with the flatter design, but what I can't absolutely stand is the overuse of blur absolutely everywhere, even blurring huge areas of the screen.

I sincerely hope that this is configurable, if not by default but at least 3rd party tools.

In iOS7 this drove me nuts until the jailbreak came out and tools slowly became available to remove blurs from various elements.

Blur can be disabled in accessibility settings in both iOS 7/8 and Yosemite.

 

[azentropy]

Can you please elaborate on what you mean when you say "crappy"? Are the fonts not legible? Are you having a difficult time navigating the system because you can't properly read the fonts?

In many areas on non-retina displays they are much harder to read (too light or thin), are not anti-aliased well and in general not pleasant to look at. One of the strong points from Mac OS has always been it's use of system fonts. They were always pleasing and easy to read IMO vs. Windows or Linux. That is no longer the case. I'm sure if I dig around I'd find some threads that would say that with me making fun of "Microsoft can't even do system fonts right."

One example is in the Menu Bar where certain typefaces just look plan bad.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19388210/

Another example is in the Safari Favorites bar. The fonts are way to thin and light. I find them MUCH harder to read.

 

[the8thark]

THIS IS JUST PLAIN STUPID LOOKING!!!
Any ideas for non-Windows alternates? I'm thinking Linux, FreeBSD, etc.

The optometrist for one.

Seriously Yosemite looks amazing. Even on non-retina screens. But that's not the reason why it's designed to be amazing. That is because the UI of Yosemite is designed so you need as few click and key strokes to get your in-finder tasks done. So you can into the apps you want to be working with.

I am glad Apple is taking steps with the OS X UI to ensure this is happening.

[edit] I understand the optometrist thing perfectly. I used to think things like stuff on screens and other things didn't look good. And I worked out the issue was not the IU on the screen looking bad, it was my eyes not working properly to see all that lovely UI content. So now at times I wear glasses and everything looks much better.

Stuff like certain fonts being too hard to read is one reason I got my eyes tested. Was the font just done wrong or were my eyes not perfect. The answer was get glasses and now the fonts look to me as crisp and clear as they are in real life.

 

[cgc]

So Apple's GUIs are based on research...well of course they are, but that means they react to trends and what most people like. There are still numerous people who dislike it for one reason or another. What I'm arguing is that is ok. No need to attack or berate them, accept the fact they don't like it and move on and don't call their opinion "BS."

This is why a lot of other OSes include options to change or somehow alter the way it looks...to accomodate all users and expand it's user base.

 

[gmanist1000]

In many areas on non-retina displays they are much harder to read (too light or thin), are not anti-aliased well and in general not pleasant to look at. One of the strong points from Mac OS has always been it's use of system fonts. They were always pleasing and easy to read IMO vs. Windows or Linux. That is no longer the case. I'm sure if I dig around I'd find some threads that would say that with me making fun of "Microsoft can't even do system fonts right."

One example is in the Menu Bar where certain typefaces just look plan bad.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19388210/

Another example is in the Safari Favorites bar. The fonts are way to thin and light. I find them MUCH harder to read.

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Submitting feedback on this. I agree with you.

 

[mateus]

Don't forget Apple openly admit their user-centric approach is a façade, a marketing technique, "we don't waste our time asking users, we build our brand through creating great products we believe people will love". This is how all good design companies operate and how invitation comes about. Our feedback as Beta testers will do little to change the GUI. This is how Yosemite will look when it's released in 3 months, but with just minor corrections.

 

[orestes1984]

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That's just because that screenshot is incredibly dated. I use OS8, it was mindblowingly better than System 7 in all of its releases combined.

 

[SvK]

I want my stuff to " float " ...Why can't it be flat but still float just a little bit?

 

[orestes1984]

This is just polishing the turd. Desktop environments are at least a decade behind times so no matter how many live tiles, metro, Ubuntu, translucency you do concept of windows and File, Edit, etc bars is outdated and done. It's inefficient. It made sense in 90s, it doesn't anymore.

Until you end up with a system that is even more inefficient with Ribbon menus... Don't even bring that argument here

 

[53kyle]

Sure:

http://artswallpapers.net/wordpress...-stars-beautiful-places-photos-wallpapers.jpg

Thanks!

 

[PsykX]

The care for detail in Yosemite is killing me when it comes to the toolbars :

 

[Mtmspa]

The only review and opinion I care about is mine. I don't see the point in ranting continuously about design of a beta OS. If you don't like it, go use something else. What a group of whiney bitches.

 

[goMac]

Don't forget Apple openly admit their user-centric approach is a façade, a marketing technique, "we don't waste our time asking users, we build our brand through creating great products we believe people will love".

What do you think the public beta is?

 

[Akuratyde]

In many areas on non-retina displays they are much harder to read (too light or thin), are not anti-aliased well and in general not pleasant to look at. One of the strong points from Mac OS has always been it's use of system fonts. They were always pleasing and easy to read IMO vs. Windows or Linux. That is no longer the case. I'm sure if I dig around I'd find some threads that would say that with me making fun of "Microsoft can't even do system fonts right."

One example is in the Menu Bar where certain typefaces just look plan bad.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19388210/

Another example is in the Safari Favorites bar. The fonts are way to thin and light. I find them MUCH harder to read.

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Thanks for the examples, I can see what you're saying, the weight of the fonts in the menu bar does seem a bit too light. However, they are a bit bolder than they need to be currently so hopefully they can adjust them to something in-between.

 

[jsmith189]

Yosemite SUCKS. And it's not just opinion.

Lol. Oh, the internet.

 

[Kissaragi]

Looks great to me, as does ios7

 

[grahamperrin]

Do you seriously believe that your triad against UX choices Yosemite will change something here? The Beta is out, submit as much feedback in your articulate way as possible. Only this way you can get heard. You don't have to go on convincing other members of this forum. It won't change anything. Through proper channels apple may listen, though.

I did the proper things with Feedback Assistant – more than once, and long before joining this topic.

My reasons for posting here are varied. I don't think it's a tirade. Recall that I began contemplating my decision more than six months ago.

The title 'Yosemite looks terrible!' is not my opinion, but it is a lively topic with a reasonable variety of insight. So here I am.

The only review and opinion I care about is mine. I don't see the point in ranting continuously about design of a beta OS. If you don't like it, go use something else. What a group of whiney bitches.

A bowl of cold water for me, please, next to my basket and I'll settle down like a good dog. In the meantime, hear me yap.

… the new UI design is much more consistent than, say, Lion or Mavericks. …

With respect, I disagree. The inconsistencies within and between some Apple apps are remarkable.

 

[grahamperrin]

… I've watched the "flat" movement very carefully. It's only a little more than a year old.

It's a drastic change but its a change that needs to happen, just like iOS 7. You can cite individual inconsistencies and instances where they got things wrong but it will fix over time.

From all of the things that I've seen be influenced by this movement (apps, web, OS's, etc) everything has come out for the better. There's a lot to hate about the movement, but ultimately it will be a step in UI history we wont regret.

I like the flatness, blur, colours and so on.

I don't like the green of the menu icon for the battery, but that's a minor issue. Not a real bother. I imagine that it will be hackable.

I'm not averse to drastic change or complete novelty.

… see which ones Yosemite ticks or doesn't tick:

Good design:

1. Is innovative - The possibilities for progression are not, by any means, exhausted. Technological development is always offering new opportunities for original designs. But imaginative design always develops in tandem with improving technology, and can never be an end in itself.
2. Makes a product useful - A product is bought to be used. It has to satisfy not only functional, but also psychological and aesthetic criteria. Good design emphasizes the usefulness of a product whilst disregarding anything that could detract from it.
3. Is aesthetic - The aesthetic quality of a product is integral to its usefulness because products are used every day and have an effect on people and their well-being. Only well-executed objects can be beautiful.
4. Makes a product understandable - It clarifies the product’s structure. Better still, it can make the product clearly express its function by making use of the user's intuition. At best, it is self-explanatory.
5. Is unobtrusive - Products fulfilling a purpose are like tools. They are neither decorative objects nor works of art. Their design should therefore be both neutral and restrained, to leave room for the user's self-expression.
6. Is honest - It does not make a product appear more innovative, powerful or valuable than it really is. It does not attempt to manipulate the consumer with promises that cannot be kept.
7. Is long-lasting - It avoids being fashionable and therefore never appears antiquated. Unlike fashionable design, it lasts many years – even in today's throwaway society.
8. Is thorough down to the last detail - Nothing must be arbitrary or left to chance. Care and accuracy in the design process show respect towards the consumer.
9. Is environmentally friendly - Design makes an important contribution to the preservation of the environment. It conserves resources and minimizes physical and visual pollution throughout the lifecycle of the product.
10. Is as little design as possible - Less, but better – because it concentrates on the essential aspects, and the products are not burdened with non-essentials. Back to purity, back to simplicity.

…

For me, most of those ten points are ticked, but parts of the GUI fail significantly on:

2, 3, 4 and 7.

(Re: point 8, there's not the thoroughness that I expect from Apple, but it's a beta so I'll discount that point.)

 

[jonblatho]

Its eyecandy over substance just like with the iOS7.

That's why Apple headed in the other direction with iOS 8, right?

Oh, wait...