Yosemite looks terrible!

[5aga]

I remember similar discontent when Apple previewed 10.0.... people lost it over the newer design vs. os 9 etc.

looking back Apple was obviously right in updating the design.

Yosemite is also a step in the right direction.

People seem to forget that it took Apple 13 years to evolve to the 10.9 design.
Over time I think this new design will stand the test of time as well.

 

[oliversl]

When they say a design is modern, then they failed because they are imposing something on you. How doesn't like something modern, right?

Jony Ive already failed, he was the best only because Steve Jobs could take the best out of him. Now he is just a b taking your job at the office.

 

[grahamperrin]

… similar discontent when Apple previewed 10.0.... people lost it over the newer design vs. os 9 etc. …

There were omissions and roughness/immaturity in the early versions of Mac OS X, but as far as I recall: none of the design aspects demonstrated a lack of common sense.

(Putting the Apple icon at the centre of the menu bar was not sensible, but I never really used that version of the OS.)

Parts of 14A298i are sensible for only some users …

 

[Cougarcat]

There were omissions and roughness/immaturity in the early versions of Mac OS X, but as far as I recall: none of the design aspects demonstrated a lack of common sense.

There were plenty. Remember the QuickTime player with the skeuomorphic volume wheel?

Translucency was also way overdone and the pinstripes and brushed metal were an eyesore (the former is ironic considering Apple is seemingly repeating its mistake with the window chrome translucency in Yosemite.)

 

[treichert]

The care for detail in Yosemite is killing me when it comes to the toolbars :

Those that aren't centered are still old buttons. It's not that hard to see.

 

[Mtmspa]

When they say a design is modern, then they failed because they are imposing something on you. How doesn't like something modern, right?

Jony Ive already failed, he was the best only because Steve Jobs could take the best out of him. Now he is just a b taking your job at the office.

So when should we see the first beta of your personally designed and created OS? Obviously, you know more than those amateurs at Apple.

 

[bpcookson]

Flat interfaces is nothing but regression.

It has existed since the very first GUI. Think about the mainstreams : Windows 3.1 and Mac OS 1. They were definitely flat. Skeuomorphism never existed in that time, because we didn't have the tech to make it.

Oh, really? Here's a shot of OS 1.

It's not much, but they were doing everything they could to connote texture, depth, and realism:
* Textured window header bar.
* The double bar separating header from window content.
* The raised pencil-on-paper icon.
* The dog-eared text file.
* The slight window shadow at bottom and right edges.
* The trash can appears round.
* The disk icon is a literal representation of a disk.

Skeuomorphism came from the start, limited only by hardware, and was required to inform the user. It grew from the very start, all the way into a three headed troll named Scott Forstall. (Yeah, that last bit was just for fun.)

Anyway, I'd argue that the primary limiting factor has always been display quality, against which the tenets of skeuomorphism have raged for decades. The iPhone 4's retina screen blew the lid off in a big way. At the same time, the vast majority of end users now understand how to use computers so we don't need obvious design affordances to inform them. That's why games like Letterpress feel even more beautiful than they look; decades of design clutter has been stripped away to leave nothing but content behind.

If you ask me, it's like that moment when someone turns off a really loud fan you had forgotten about for so long: immensely, and surprisingly relaxing.

 

[grahamperrin]

… nothing but content …

That can be OK only if each item of content is easily recognisable by its visible part, only if each item is easily distinguishable from others.

With an unusually busy workspace, or with a workspace where items appear similar to each other: there's value in showing titles, and doing so consistently.

 

[grahamperrin]

… Remember the QuickTime player with the skeuomorphic volume wheel? …

I had forgotten. Now I remember – thanks. It wasn't easy to use. But it was present, and unmistakably a volume control.

Now, some people reach first for an on-screen volume control. Others reach first for keyboard control of volume. The operating system caters for both types of user.

If Apple chose to make volume controls less recognisable – let's say, just plus and minus signs, with no loudspeaker icon – would all users accept that simplification?

Removing the title and address from a page does result in a simplistic view, but is it appropriate? Does it increase usability? And so on …

 

[Joelist]

So far I am liking Yosemite visually. Admittedly I haven't been everywhere yet but the look is more consistent and I suspect is more efficient in usage of GPU cycles.

 

[PsykX]

Those that aren't centered are still old buttons. It's not that hard to see.

Strange, because old buttons were centered, and those are not. Look carefully again, there are 3 different sizes and vertical alignments on that shot.

Oh, really? Here's a shot of OS 1.

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It's not much, but they were doing everything they could to connote texture, depth, and realism

The benefits of Skeuomorphism are that it does not alienate technology to the human, whereas Flat interfaces only depicts summarized visual representations of anything that exists. Flat interfaces is a language itself that you need to understand (old people don't get that). Flat does not, by any means, need to be deprived from anything that is visual, such as a symbol.

What I see in that shot you provided are visual representations of everything, thus it was a pretty flat interface. Flat does not need to be text on a uniform color, like what you're trying to describe i.e. Windows 8 is the most flat UI in modern age, yet it's crowded with of symbols.

 

[treichert]

Strange, because old buttons were centered, and those are not. Look carefully again, there are 3 different sizes and vertical alignments on that shot.

I don't know why you are even arguing this. Of course it's not going to stay that way, just like the old icons that are still there are not gonna stay or how the network preferences are screwed up.

It's an early beta.

 

[PsykX]

I don't know why you are even arguing this. Of course it's not going to stay that way, just like the old icons that are still there are not gonna stay or how the network preferences are screwed up.

It's an early beta.

Well so far Apple hasn't acknowledged to my bug report that it was a bug and they were going to fix it. It's been reported for a week.

People on this forum take so much for granted that it's just a beta, everything will get fixed by the final release. Don't get me started on OS X inconsistencies and bugs that have been sitting there for years.

There's a bug I reported them 5 years ago, has been there for at LEAST 9 years (I wasn't a Mac user before), and they just fixed it in Yosemite since the DP1.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

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I actually still like the Window frame/buttons from iOS 8/9. They should have a Retro theme option in Yosemite to replace the traffic lights with the grey "Hieroglyphic" buttons (some might need to be re-purposed or a new one added, though). I can't say the same thing about something like Windows 3.1 or Win95/98/Me window frames, so obviously the Mac had something going for its GUI beyond function.

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No idea why anyone would think this is ugly.

I have no idea why you posted a WALLPAPER with hardly ANY GUI showing (not even the dock, just the menu bar and one hard drive icon) and then talk about aesthetics. Having a Photoshop composed (looks like about 3-4 photos combined/overlaid there) wallpaper to distract away from the GUI itself is akin to a magician's method to distract you from pulling the handkerchief from out of his sleeve. It seems to accomplish the impossible, but in reality is just a trick.

 

[dannyyankou]

I think it looks beautiful to be honest. It took a while for iOS 7 to grow on me, but Yosemite appealed to me right away.

 

[deviant]

i installed it, used it for about an hour or two and when i came back to mavericks it already felt an old system. i guess ios7 made it's effect. i LOVE yosemite.

 

[Swagged]

I kind of figured yosemite was going to lose it's 3D effect....same thing happened when they switched from iOS6 to iOS7, ugly and flat.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Today, C, we've arrived to the point where we can now scale back the flashy effects. Designers have decided that a majority of computer users no longer benefit from the usefulness of applying gloss to a button. They can now look at the top of a window and know that those 3 buttons operate the visibility and size of the window.

Sorry, but "C" looks like CRAP. "B" looks 10x better. I'm sorry some of you are apparently blind to nice aesthetics and prefer the "cartoon" look than actual beautiful art. Clearly, some people on Earth have no taste.

It takes insight, skill, and experience to be able to look at the window control buttons and scale them back to the most essential elements of

No, it takes an 8-year old child. It looks like Crayola world and I'm utterly amazed that ANYONE likes it at all. It's pure GARBAGE. And no, I don't call having "gem-like" effect on the traffic signal lights "flashy". I call it pretty. I call having flat cartoonish versions a travesty. They took the one thing I like the most about OS X's look compared to Windows (i.e. the best window buttons in the world) and RUINED them. Johnny Ive should be fired. PERIOD. Bring Scott back!

 

[shanson27]

Yosemite looks terrible
Yosemite is beautiful

can't laugh enough
LOL

 

[iStrikeRx]

The main issue with the UI is probably down to the pastel colours. I hate them too. But at the same time, I like them.

The best thing they can do is make dark mode the option for those who prefer a simple clean look, and leave the bright colourful normal mode for those who prefer it.

But it's Apple so they won't. You're stuck with it, and if you don't update and stay on the older OS, they'll cripple that OS to the point where it forces you to upgrade.

 

[Hansana]

I can't speak for others, but I agree with this post. I like both iOS8 and Yosemite's new look. In a few years, when it becomes dated, I'll look forward to whatever's considered fresh.

As for the Steve Jobs comments, the man is dead (may he rest in peace). Since he was a man, he wasn't going to live forever. And, we need to accept the fact that Apple is going to be different and dynamic going forward.

True that. Love the new look. Looking back at ios6 it looks like a phone from the 90s now. So will with Yosemite

 

[Swagged]

Honestly, which one looks better? clearly the one on the right.

 

[Cythth]

Honestly, which one looks better? clearly the one on the right.

I like the minimalist look, so I actually like the one on the left. If you don't like it, don't upgrade.

 

[albusseverus]

Dark on DARK

Still waiting for dark mode, though. You'd think system apps would support it.



you'd think


I guess I can be thankful it's stable and doesn't crash. What DARK there is, is a bit disappointing. Even transparent, the menu bar is too dark. The menus are getting there. And I've never expected much from the dock, ever, and even low expectations are underwhelmed. I'm sure there's a utility out there that does a better job. Let's hope the gun designers and programmers at  have more imagination.

Don't tell me I have to look at the keynote again…to see if Finder, Safari or Mail had dark UI elements… sigh… maybe they never will.

 

[stevemiller]

i say neither awful nor great. the changes honestly just feel someone installed some theming software and changed some os widgets and window chrome for the sake of it. (which is fine; to an extent, there have been appearance tweaks in every version of OS X).

i have it running on my old mbp, and sitting next to a new machine running mavericks, i really have a hard time seeing how anybody can say it looks *waaay* better (or way worse, for that matter). personally, i'm rather 'meh' to the new look. but i guess this is whats in vogue right now.

one thing though, does anyone know whats up with the random over-saturating of wallpaper? at first i thought it was an aesthetic choice (kinda tacky imo) for when you're in mission control or launchpad. but then i noticed it did the same thing when you launch Photo Booth, so maybe its a bug?