Yes, I now more, I pay they salaries.
How hard is not to get personal when making an argument, I mean, for people that has nothing to say.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Yosemite looks terrible!
- Thread starter OldGuyTom
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
- Status
Yes, I now more, I pay they salaries.
How hard is not to get personal when making an argument, I mean, for people that has nothing to say.
Here we go, people have surely seen the preview screenshots on the Official Apple Site - http://www.apple.com/osx/preview - right? Or don't people look at this before upgrading a whole OS? Im assuming people have common sense as well.
Fact it Mac OS X has need a major change for well over 20 years, the sick to death and depressing battleship grey colours everywhere, and a laggy OS as well, and the same old dialogue boxes and windows - All previous versions of Mac OS X were just incremental changes, nothing major - that was also the problem.
Yosemite is fresh, new, hides all the old OS X design flaws and look completely different yet similar. Finally seeing colours instead of **** grey everywhere, menus, Apple menu bar etc as well. It was depression central literally. It needed to be rebuilt and revived a long time ago.
The people whinging here either have OCD, or psychologically attached to their system way beyond the norm - see a specialist - seek advice and not by Spotlight. Some people hate change, and those people should be using computers because it constantly changes.
This sounds like the same set of wingers who went from iOS 6 to iOS 7 and started throwing tantrums and hissy fits - again psychologically challenged. Ignore these people - they stick with the old stuff.
Fact it Mac OS X has need a major change for well over 20 years, the sick to death and depressing battleship grey colours everywhere, and a laggy OS as well, and the same old dialogue boxes and windows - All previous versions of Mac OS X were just incremental changes, nothing major - that was also the problem.
Yosemite is fresh, new, hides all the old OS X design flaws and look completely different yet similar. Finally seeing colours instead of **** grey everywhere, menus, Apple menu bar etc as well. It was depression central literally. It needed to be rebuilt and revived a long time ago.
The people whinging here either have OCD, or psychologically attached to their system way beyond the norm - see a specialist - seek advice and not by Spotlight. Some people hate change, and those people should be using computers because it constantly changes.
This sounds like the same set of wingers who went from iOS 6 to iOS 7 and started throwing tantrums and hissy fits - again psychologically challenged. Ignore these people - they stick with the old stuff.
Ceci n'est pas un preview
Entertain me, please. Is the experience of driving a particular make and model of car, for the first time, comparable to the experience of previewing that drive whilst sat on an armchair looking at photographs of the car in motion?
True, I could make that preview more drive-like by holding the magazine at arms' length, rotating it from left to right and saying "vroom vroom" to myself whilst swerving the armchair to avoid a recently dropped peanut
Ceci n'est pas un pomme:
Entertain me, please. Is the experience of driving a particular make and model of car, for the first time, comparable to the experience of previewing that drive whilst sat on an armchair looking at photographs of the car in motion?
True, I could make that preview more drive-like by holding the magazine at arms' length, rotating it from left to right and saying "vroom vroom" to myself whilst swerving the armchair to avoid a recently dropped peanut
Ceci n'est pas un pomme:
Yosemite's new look isn't that bad, and I'm one of the people that freaked out over OS X Lion and iOS 7.
The translucency effect was overhyped and is hardly noticeable. The only real difference is a slimmer task bar on stock apps and a bunch of new icons.
This redesign is actually rather tasteful, and is what iOS 7 should of been for iPad.
The translucency effect was overhyped and is hardly noticeable. The only real difference is a slimmer task bar on stock apps and a bunch of new icons.
This redesign is actually rather tasteful, and is what iOS 7 should of been for iPad.
When I first installed the public beta on my laptop the other day, I thought hmm... kinda dull and boring. Then I went back to my Mini where I do most of my work. Mavericks was looking kinda dated. So I went back to the laptop again. Better this time. Looks kinda neat. Yeah its flat, but the colors are welcome, and the translucency is gorgeous. If iOS7 looked this good, I might not have switched back to Android (which btw I don't regret). I do look forward to seeing iOS8 because I want the next iPad Mini.
Anyway... ultimately I think I'm liking Yosemite. It's remarkably stable; everything Ive tried to run on it has worked except one thing (Forklift). Frankly I'm trying to keep myself from installing Yosemite over my Mavericks install on the Mini, since it has a smaller SSD than my laptop and therefore no room for a second partition.
Rob
Anyway... ultimately I think I'm liking Yosemite. It's remarkably stable; everything Ive tried to run on it has worked except one thing (Forklift). Frankly I'm trying to keep myself from installing Yosemite over my Mavericks install on the Mini, since it has a smaller SSD than my laptop and therefore no room for a second partition.
Rob
I agree with you, this is what happened with me when I installed the Developer Preview, and dual booted it with Mavericks. Switching between the two, I can easily tell which is landed and outdated, and i think Yosemite looks like of nice and easy on the eyes. The translusceny is gorgeous and when you look back at the skumorphisim back in iOS6 and in some parts in OS X Mavericks, you kinda feel its outdated and boring (especially with all the greys).
Yeah, when peoole have a different taste or opinion than yourself they must clearly be psychologically challenged. How convenient for you.
Yet you fail to follow your own advice, instead posting insults in this thread.
It just not aesthetically pleasing to me particularly the fonts they have used.
And that default blue, it's garish as hell.
I'm all for flat design, but Yosemite just looks unpolished. Take the separator lines in general preferences, in Yosemite it's just a line, it reminded me of some ascii interfaces back in the 90's. In Mavericks each end of the line has a subtle taper. It's still flat, it still not skeumorphic but it shows attention to aesthetics and polish that I've always appreciated from Apple. Yosemite just looks rough.
Edit: Ok that system font is terrible. Or there is some kind of rendering issue with it because there are errors in the font on my non retina macbook. For example in Mavericks the System Preferences title bar text "System Preferences" is rendered perfectly and clearly, whereas in Yosemite the "P" has extra pixels in the curve and letters with vertical lines seem to be rendered too wide such as the word "All" in the "All my files" in the finder sidebar. the "l" next to the "A" is thicker than the following "l"
It's just a bad font all around. It's too thin, readability suffers UI wide for it.
Having used it a bit more a few other things are bugging me. The UI is so high contrast now it's distracting. People champion minimalist interfaces because the interface melts away and you are left with your content. If that is one of the criteria for good interface design then Yosemite has failed. The over saturated highlight in the side bar, the garish folder icons and the 1 bit buttons constantly draw attention to themselves. So what, Mavericks has a tiny gradient and shadow on the buttons in the finder toolbar. The end result is that they are visually and therefore functionally minimalistic not design minimalistic as in Yosemite.
Safari. Why does a box containing my Favourites pop out when I click in the search box? Why is that an improvement on pushing up and clicking on a favourite? Now, I have to mouse up to search, click, wait for animation, click favourite.
Where are my iCloud tabs?
Why can't I choose to show my favourites bar when I push towards the menubar in fullscreen mode and have it hide otherwise? I can only seem to have it on all the time or not at all?
Spotlight Sucks. I have to click each result to see a preview, one. after. the. other. The search field where you can type is the same colour as the rest of the window. The window itself isn't resizable. And because everything is so flat and contrasty, when it appears it just adds to the clutter.
I dunno, it's not minimalist at all it's just visually harsh and cluttered to me.
Gotta say it's grown on me. Damn you Apple!
Last edited:
I had a cartoony theme on OS 9 that looked kinda like this. Sadly said theme looked better than this.
One of the things I like is how it's now much easier to tell which window is active versus which aren't. Previously, it was difficult to do so at a glance.
I also am coming to appreciate how much cleaner the windows look, especially the Finder windows. And.. in the doc, I really like the very obvious dots below running applications. The "lights" from before had been getting dimmer and dimmer to the point that I was very worried they were going to do away with them entirely
Rob
I also am coming to appreciate how much cleaner the windows look, especially the Finder windows. And.. in the doc, I really like the very obvious dots below running applications. The "lights" from before had been getting dimmer and dimmer to the point that I was very worried they were going to do away with them entirely
Rob
With my workflow I found the opposite. The at-a-glance difficulty, which grew over time, was one of the things that pushed me over the edge with Yosemite.
I agree. For example the coloring of the window when Safari is on top is the same as Mail in the background.
Ummm, no it isn't. The Safari window here is definitely darker than the mail window.
Attachments
Not on mine as my example shows. It depends on what you have in the background due to translucency. Your example you must have a darker image/shadow in your safari window.
Put the toolbars next to each other like the guy above you did, and come tell me the contrast is high enough for any individual to differentiate these windows.
I remember filing a bug report because the active windows are too light. No answer yet.
My Safari window had this very thread on it. Plenty of whitespace around. The background is the default Yosemite image.
For someone else who wanted them close together... One is still clearly darker than the other.
Attachments
It would be a good idea, IMHO, if Apple put out two interfaces for the OS. One could be named "Aqua" or "Classic" and be the Mavericks UI, and the other could be named something else, like "Translucent" and be the current Yosemite interface. Let the user decide. Make it configurable by the user. Find out which one is really liked. This would please everyone, and this thread, instead of being one of the highest visitor count threads in this section of the site, would have been buried down in the mud.
IMHO the translucency was not a good idea and it will come back to bite Apple.
IMHO the translucency was not a good idea and it will come back to bite Apple.
I installed Yosemite on an external drive now and although it didn’t look too shabby on screenshots and Apple’s preview material, I think it looks worse on my 2008 MacBook. Granted, I haven’t let it sit for a while, but it doesn’t look very comfortable to me right now.
It’s not the look in itself, but the lack of consistency and polish at the moment. The contrast between the menu bar and the toolbar of a window looks odd, especially with the translucency. Whereas every app on each own does seem to look better with the new design, together with other windows they don’t look nice. The stark shadows, the lack of contrast (inactive windows are more white/grey than they are in Mavericks) add to a feeling of crowdedness that I never experienced like that in OS X before. It’s this mixture of flatness and depth that makes no sense to me visually.
As I feared, the translucency adds nothing for me and can’t be turned off without making everything else look terrible, especially the Dock (which will be almost white!). The translucency itself seems to behave different than on iOS (it’s stronger), there are much less distinguishable elements underneath, rather very large blobs of colour that seem to hint at what is underneath. It’s really pointless almost, it’s purely aesthetics. The typeface is generally smaller and not as legible as Lucida Grande. This is especially bad in Finder for me.
I don’t know, this design leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I will switch back and forth between Mavericks and Yosemite, but writing this now on Yosemite makes me glad to switch back to Mavericks now.
Last edited:
Wow -- not much for high horses, are you? I don't necessarily disagree with you about Yosemite being an improvement. I've only got the screen shots to go on, but design that puts the emphasis on content while remaining functional doesn't scare me. I'm looking forward to installing it after the Beta period ends. What does alarm me is your apparent insistence that as a "UI designer" you are somehow infallible, and opinions from real users that clash with your own are not worthy of consideration. Talk about arrogance. Personally, I wouldn't say that Apple's hundreds of engineers and designers are "idiots." Misguided sometimes? Certainly. (I'm still waiting for someone at Apple to explain why removing *the option* to display cover art prominently in iTunes 11 was a good idea. Some of us had very good reasons for wanting it to be always visible at a decent size without having to Command-click to open another window to show it. It's why I've jumped through hoops to keep iTunes 9 on my present machine.) If I have one complaint against Apple that trumps all others, it's the attitude echoed in your post that *you* as a so-called professional know better what I need in a UI than I do. Of course you can't please everyone, but that doesn't mean you should turn a deaf ear to the complaints. One of these days, when the iPad/iPhone honeymoon is over, that arrogance is going to come back to bite Apple -- hard.
And yes, you most certainly are allowed to say in an art museum that your three-year-old daughter can do a better job than Jackson Pollock. Anyone who says otherwise obviously doesn't know the story of the Emperor's New Clothes. When all the smoke-and-mirrors and self-delusion of the cognoscenti clears away, all that's left is the work itself. We may have a debate on the relative merits of a piece by Pollock vs. 3-year-old, but I'm well within my rights to favor the latter if I find it more aesthetically or intellectually stimulating.
I'M SO SICK OF HEARING THIS SARCASTIC NONSENSE OVER AND OVER and over and over again
Why the [????] is it that some "fanatics" on here think that just because Apple is making money that they automatically do everything right? WTF is with that sycophant-like level of "osmosis arrogance" whereby Apple is so great that one can pretend they're the CEO and defend them with utter contemptuous sarcasm that even Sheldon Cooper can recognize? Give it a fracking rest already and either come up with an actual cogent argument or go sing "How Great Thou Art" to the (oddly dead) god Steve Jobs at a fan forum where they actually enjoy that kind of thing.
In short, it does not take a GUI designer to recognize when something is UGLY. One does not have to be an artist to recognize an ugly painting. THAT is LOGIC and it's the TRUTH. Illogic is "Apple had a great quarter so they can do no wrong." None? Zero? Everything they do is milk and honey? Really? What kind of fantasy world are some of you living in?
If you like the new GUI, fine. Feel free to say so. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, after all. But stop just ragging on those that don't see the world through your rose-tinted glasses and actually disagree with you. If you have an actual argument, make it, but sarcastic illogical nonsense is not an argument.
Also might be a difference as yours appears to be Retina vs. mine is non-Retina.
hopefully they fix this before launch: it is really disorienting when switching tabs between light and dark websites. in the case of the dark site tab, text becomes substantially less legible. the first time it happened i actually thought my graphics card was glitching, it looked that 'wrong'.
Should I have a field day with this one?
First of all desktop environment hasn't conceptually evolved since the days of Windows XP. Yes, windows on desktop formula is more productive than your iOS, Android mobile OSes but that doesn't mean there is no room for improvement to streamline it into 21t century. Since I have to give you ideas so you can make an image in your head I'll go ahead: Keyboards are missed opportunity to take away the clutter off screen, having an OLED screen with clear hardware keys will give you ability to map most of the menu items off the screen like Photoshop's tool panels for example, since you are a graphic designer. That means more room on your screen to blur pictures and put thin text over them. Which brings me to why translucent effect with thin text and contour iconography is not a good idea: It's barely legible!!! Your background is more important or has the same level of importance as your content. To their credit they toned it down in Yosemite compared to "lavishing" iOS7. Just because Apple or Ivey are doing it doesn't mean that its a proper thing to do. They just ran out of ideas.
Great opening!
I've found your posts very insightful and I agree. I don't think Apple just removed gloss and sent it into beta, I truly believe they did spend tremendous time designing something that looks very refined.
This is my issue, and it is partially subjective. UI has limits when it comes to usability. The gloss also helped buttons be recognizable quickly. This same effect can easily be achieved with this new design, but Apple has really dropped the ball here.
I don't have the best eyes (birth defect), but with my glasses I can see 20/20 at short distances. Yosemite has issues. Thin fonts are simply more difficult to read than bold. The super faded font and transparency used in non selectable menu bar items is very difficult to read. And often, Apple's lightly colored buttons fade into the lightly colored tool bar so that I have to actually look to find it. That sounds lazy, but in Mavericks I could glance at a buttons location.
I love a lot about Yosemite, and you're right, Apple worked hard, but Apple has always been about style. The big issues is this...anything ergonomic is often ugly . That is subjective, but economic chairs, mice, desks, etc usually lack the classy look that Apple loves.
Yosemite is very refined and beautiful, but Apple needs to give users more options with a more controversial UI. For example. The "increase contrast" forces you to lose ALL transparency. I want a translucent menu bar and Dock, but Safari toolbar and sidebar translucency just obscures what I'm doing. If I wanted to see what was behind my current window I would be in THAT app. And the new home folder symbols (like for Documents or Downloads) are too light when on the already lightly colored folder, they are much harder to see at a glance than on Mavericks. Again, it is beautiful and many do prefer it, but design is very personal. I wish Apple would give more options if they are going to design against ergonomic.
Side note: I actually find the new Menu bar font to be easier to read and bolder. NOT the drop down menus, but the fond used for app names ("Safari" "File" "Edit" etc. )
- Status