Yosemite looks terrible!

[kissmo]

After a few days of wondering in the GUI I can say it's growing on me.

I was a little reticent regarding the translucency (which is anyway Win Vista stolen I don't care what people say ) but it works nice.
This is a time when the wallpaper can actually add to the image.

I hope they will make a very nice dark finish on the Dark Mode and I will be happy.

I cannot say that they changed the interface that much for people to complain. In the end it's EXACTLY the same as before.
I don't fell like it's such a radical change - even though Apple and some people dramatize over it

I hope things will get polished and we can all go back to our lives.

 

[chrisrosemusic1]

Initlal reaction on stage = ooh

Initial reaction installed on MBA = Ahhh this would be so much nicer on a retina.

After a few days going back and forth between 10.9 and 10.10 = Night and day. It's lovely. The skinnier fonts will surely look better on the retina Macs but I've readjusted my eyes on my Air. The layout is fresh and clean, almost to the point I feel like I have more screen to work with.

I haven't installed it as my daily OS because I use stuff for work that I wouldn't be able to function without (and they are notoriously bad at supporting new OS X instalments) but I will at launch.

Feels nice now, can't wait to get it all working lovely with iOS 8 in the future too

 

[ChillEChill]

They need to do some tweaks so that it looks decent on non retina screens.

 

[Mtmspa]

Yes, I now more, I pay they salaries.

How hard is not to get personal when making an argument, I mean, for people that has nothing to say.

You "now" more? Sounds like you don't "know" what you are talking about.

 

[grahamperrin]

…Safari is on top … Mail in the background.

With or without differentiation of colour: azentropy's screenshot is almost exemplary of the disorientation that can occur when the top of a window without a title bar coincides perfectly, or almost perfectly, with the foot of the title bar of a background window of an unrelated app.

Another example below. Ignoring the necessary blurring of texts etc., at a glance, how many windows do you see?

 

[ryuok]

Yosemite is unrefined and unimaginative

I've no problem with people calling Yosemite beautiful, although I do not find it aesthetically pleasing. After all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

However I have trouble understand people who call Yosemite UI a refinement over Mavericks. The Mavericks is as refined as the Mac OS has ever been. The Yosemite UI is merely a cruel and unimaginative restyling with iOS 7 design elements.

The designer wanted the retina optimised flat look of the iOS7 without actually reimagining the Mac OS UI for flat look. The result? A messy, self-conflicting, undisciplined and embarrassing effort that reminds me a Vista-era linux theme. The fonts are so unrefined and cruel that Windows 8 typography suddenly looks alright in comparison.

While iOS 7 had a consistent and coherent UI system from the very beginning, the Yosemite UI is a lazy patch up work, i.e. “let’s throw in some wire style icons and translucencies, and remove shadows and gradience wherever we feel like”.

Just take a look at the toolbar on Safari, iCal, App Store, iBook and iTune 12, you’ll see signs that these are patched up by five different people who don’t talk to each other.

Frankly I don’t see the point of this “new” UI. The Mavericks UI is so polished and works so well on retina screens, there is not a single desktop operating system in the world that could match its unrivalled refinement. If there is ever reason to replace that, it must be a reason worth reimagine the whole thing from ground up.

 

[576316]

I'll be the first to add in the "You realise Yosemite is a beta software, right" comment.

 

[PsykX]

I'll be the first to add in the "You realise Yosemite is a beta software, right" comment.

What the hell does a comment like this have to do with a general comment made against the interface ? Do you really think Apple will change its interface from the ground up between DP4 and the final release in October ? Or do you think they will have the time to patch all the inconsistencies, even the ones that have remained in OS X since its existence in 2000 ?

Sorry for being so harsh, but I see this too often.

 

[leman]

However I have trouble understand people who call Yosemite UI a refinement over Mavericks. The Mavericks is as refined as the Mac OS has ever been. The Yosemite UI is merely a cruel and unimaginative restyling with iOS 7 design elements.

Yosemite reduces the visual bloat and lets the user focus on what matters — the content. The user feedback is done mostly via subtle animations rather than 'in-your-face' styled UI. As a design, Yosemite appears to be a natural evolution for Apple, who has always had minimalism and functionality as a central guiding principle. And the subtle translucency gives it a very aesthetically pleasing, elegant look, without being distracting or distasteful. IMO, the design language used in Yosemite is much more appealing and practical than anything from an earlier OS X. They have did terrific job improving it in the last 4 betas (the DP1 was quite boring visually), and I am sure that these improvements will continue.

P.S. And I like the almost frameless windows. That is what makes Yosemite very elegant compared to, say, Windows and its intrusive borders.

 

[Asclepio]

http://gfycat.com/JealousFastIndigowingedparrot

 

[amoda]

I've been using Yosemite for two days now and I generally like the new look. The only thing I really cannot stand is the new folders icon. Every time I forget about the change I happen to see a folder and think "ugh, sheesh that's ugly".

 

[grahamperrin]

Yosemite … lets the user focus on what matters — the content. … the almost frameless windows. That is what makes Yosemite very elegant compared to … intrusive borders.

I, too, like minimalism and cleanliness.

With apologies for the untidy alignment of Lorem ipsum text content below: can we agree that the minimalist toolbar helps the user focus on that content?

 

[oliversl]

You "now" more? Sounds like you don't "know" what you are talking about.

Nice, making fun of the autocorrect, nice and mature.

 

[ScottishCaptain]

I, too, like minimalism and cleanliness.

With apologies for the untidy alignment of Lorem ipsum text content below: can we agree that the minimalist toolbar helps the user focus on that content?

What the hell is going on with the rest of that screen?

-SC

 

[grahamperrin]

http://gfycat.com/JealousFastIndigowingedparrot

Yep. That's done.

I'm temporarily using Snow Leopard on a MacBook1,1 whilst Mountain Lion reinstalls on my everyday MacBookPro5,2.

My use case is uncommon; I imagine that most people who decline the current appearance of Yosemite will prefer Mavericks.

(OT from appearances of operating systems: I will miss the memory management of Mavericks.)

 

[grahamperrin]

What the hell is going on with the rest of that screen?

Yeah, I'm sorry, I had to blur the title in one of the title bars.

Also, sorry about not left-aligning the Lorem ipsum content. That part is not intended to look messy, just, I couldn't find text alignment in Preview in Snow Leopard.

I did have tidier examples, which might have not required any blur – and I'm normally fastidious about keeping test results – but I decided to let go of many screenshots and other materials as part of my purge of Yosemite from the MacBook Pro.

 

[hamis92]

They have did terrific job improving it in the last 4 betas (the DP1 was quite boring visually), and I am sure that these improvements will continue.

And exactly how has it changed from the first DP? I know they have added the option for dark menu bar and Dock, but apart from that, I see little has changed from DP1 to Beta 1 (I've had both and none of the others in between so the difference should be even easier to see, yet I don't).

 

[leman]

And exactly how has it changed from the first DP? I know they have added the option for dark menu bar and Dock, but apart from that, I see little has changed from DP1 to Beta 1 (I've had both and none of the others in between so the difference should be even easier to see, yet I don't).

I am not exactly sure to be honest. I only know that DP1 appear a bit boring and 'flat' to me, and I thought the icons were ugly. When I updated to DP4, I liked Yosemite much more for some reason. I think its the little polishing, like new animations and tweaking of translucently/colors/icons. The changes are very subtle, true.

 

[pickaxe]

I am not exactly sure to be honest. I only know that DP1 appear a bit boring and 'flat' to me, and I thought the icons were ugly. When I updated to DP4, I liked Yosemite much more for some reason. I think its the little polishing, like new animations and tweaking of translucently/colors/icons. The changes are very subtle, true.

Sorry, but this is the placebo talking. Nothing has changed in any of the areas you've mentioned (they haven't even fixed the combo box selection animation yet)

 

[leman]

Sorry, but this is the placebo talking. Nothing has changed in any of the areas you've mentioned (they haven't even fixed the combo box selection animation yet)

That very well might be. But I have looked at DP1 and DP4 within 30 minutes of each other yesterday, and I believe to see a difference.

 

[VMukhtarov]

Yosemite with translucency looks like a Christmas tree. My poor eyes... They should call it OS X Acid.

 

[shanson27]

Yosemite with translucency looks like a Christmas tree. My poor eyes... They should call it OS X Acid.
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no one is forcing you to use it ! You have the free choice !

 

[frgough]

I, too, like minimalism and cleanliness.

With apologies for the untidy alignment of Lorem ipsum text content below: can we agree that the minimalist toolbar helps the user focus on that content?

No. Because the toolbar and other window elements ARE ALSO CONTENT. This is what Apple and others are not getting.

BTW, this is also why it was stupid UI design to remove coloring from the sidebar. The Sidebar is content. This is why it was stupid UI design to remove coloring from the Mail sidebar. The sidebar is content. This is why it's stupid to flatten the traffic light buttons. They are content. This is why it is stupid to overly simplify icons. Icons are content (they communicate information to the user).

Everything on your screen is content. Good UI understands this and understands the concept of tiered content and contextual content. This is why translucency is bad UI. It makes the least important content (your wallpaper) primary content by drawing the eye and focus of your attention to it.

Good UI uses shape, color, and depth to let the user easily move between his different tiers of content.

Oh, and to all you people dissing skeumorphism, you are out of touch. Skeumorphism isn't about making computers easier to use for neophytes, it's about accommodating the hard wiring of our brains programmed through the fact that our entire lives are spent in a three-dimensional world of physical objects. You make a button look like a button because in the physical world people see and press buttons. Thus, when they see something that looks like a button, they immediately and instinctively know what it's purpose is; they don't have to waste effort identifying and processing the image. Throw a flat white rectangle up and now users have to spend conscious effort to parse the information. Forstall went a bit far with skeumorphism, to where it became a negative impact on usability, but Ive, with his wholesale abandonment of it is worse.

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no one is forcing you to use it ! You have the free choice !

You mean until a security issue comes up and the patch is to upgrade to Yosemite.

 

[christarp]

You mean until a security issue comes up and the patch is to upgrade to Yosemite.

pretty sure he means by turning off translucency.

 

[VMukhtarov]

Meanwhile on your screen