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Yosemite looks terrible!
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The comments in the article reflect the same things being said in this thread. I wonder if it's possible that this might be a way of getting him out of the UI design work, by having him focus on other things and telling him it's a promotion.
I've never seen so many negative comments on an OS X version before. Maybe Apple really is waking up.
Now Jony can dedicate his efforts to the "spaceship" building. Oddly to me, it seems appropriate.
I've never skipped a release, till now, for 10.10 its not looks, its quality.
I've also never seen Apple back down so quickly, for OS 10 changing the Font, changed mDNS midstream, all in a 6 month period. Botched OS 8 .... two in a row is just embarrassing.
I agree they want him as a figure piece only, no where near software.
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I'm wondering... Who has the final say on a product like Yosemite, him or Cook? Because it doesn't take a genius to see that Helvetica is not ideal as a system font, unless no one else mentioned it to Ive, or maybe he didn't have anyone above him to say "dude this font sucks"...
From what I've seen about San Fransisco, it's gonna be much better.
Steve Jobs was into every detail of Apple and the OS. He had to approve pretty much everything done. Tim Cook is a businessman, not a visionary or a tech guy. He's relying on Johnny Ive to walk on water based on past sales and not even noticing that the water is nearly over Johnny's head. Johnny is a good hardware designer, but he was NEVER in charge of the GUI. It's clear to most of us that he should stick with hardware design and leave the GUI to someone more like Scott Forestall, but Scott lost that battle (due to something largely beyond his control, maps software that simply wasn't ready to be released that was pressured into being released) and now rock star Johnny Ive thinks he can do everything and since Tim can do nothing and by his own admission rarely even uses a Mac anymore, what do you end up with but Ive's personal wet dream? The problem is that dream isn't my dream and it's not a lot of others either. How do you tell a dictator of a country that he's WRONG without getting shot down? It's a real quagmire.
I gave San Francisco a quick try but it didn't really work, partly because I use Chrome, and Chrome displays it incorrectly. Between those two I'd actually choose Helvetica. But it's a bit on the "which leg do you want me to break" side of things.
Why limit your choice to those two when the most obvious other option is to return to Lucida Grande? You can do that so easily with either the Schreiberstein solution or YosemiteRevert. Almost everyone who has gone back to Lucida Grande reports that they are relieved and happy to get it back.
Etan
Magnus, I fully agree with you. Your thoughts seem to back the last events within Apple, i.e. the new title of Ive. Cook's giving him more and more power.
Not everyone is interpreting the move that way:
Apple Inc. VP Jony Ive May Be Out The Door
http://learnbonds.com/apple-inc-exec-jonathon-ive-promoted-to-travel-the-world/118726/
Is Apple chief designer Jony Ive designing his route out of the company?
http://mashable.com/2015/05/26/jony-ive-apple-promotion/
Does he stay or go? Parsing Apple's promotion of designer Jony Ive
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...ng-apples-promotion-of-designer-jony-ive.html
There's an interesting theory going around that Apple is prepping the way for Jony Ive's retirement
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-jony-ive-retirement-theory-2015-5#ixzz3bXxOAWnR
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-jony-ive-retirement-theory-2015-5
What to make of Apple design guru Jony Ive’s surprise promotion
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ple-design-guru-jony-ives-surprise-promotion/
Etan
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Thank you for the interesting links, Etan.
Nevertheless, the past few years show that the "child" of Ive, "design over finctionality", prevails. All latest Apple products, inside and outside, reflect that he can enforce his will, his "vision".
We can only hope it means he's starting to be on his way out. Don't get me wrong. For as much as I've complained about him when he sticks to what he SHOULD be designing he can do sone good stuff. But OD and iOS is not what he should be working on so the sooner he's out the better.
That screenshot looks absolutely horrendous. Puts a bad name out on Yosemite or any version of OS X.
I think new upcoming San Fran font will be much better. I just replaced it on mine. It's 100x better but still not perfect. Here's attached...
Here's attached...
@Etan1000 please see https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...nd-new-platform.1888113/page-20#post-21389773
In the contextual menu in the prerelease version of OmniWeb – combined with the early prerelease version of Flavours 2 – combined with a theme (flavour) that is probably a beta:
Where part of a pane of System Preferences fell behind the Dock:
In the contextual menu in the prerelease version of OmniWeb – combined with the early prerelease version of Flavours 2 – combined with a theme (flavour) that is probably a beta:
- the dark text on a dark background may be treated as a bug, which may be improved or fixed before those three things become release quality.
Where part of a pane of System Preferences fell behind the Dock:
- I dislike the combination of transparency + obscurity
If 10.11 is to be judged by Photos, we're getting Yosemite mk II, but with background forcibly set to white colour without possibility to change it The forum will fit in nicely.
The forum will fit in nicely.
I'd have loved Apple to implement the 'skins' idea Windows use.
Where you can set the UI to 'classic' etc.
Where you can set the UI to 'classic' etc.
It dawned on me today that Yosemite seems to remind me of MacKeeper. Just mention MacKeeper in a thread somewhere and people come out of the woodwork screaming and arguing.
Tip to Apple:
A new advertising slogan for Yosemite:
Yosemite: the MacKeeper of OS X Releases
Tip to Apple:
A new advertising slogan for Yosemite:
Yosemite: the MacKeeper of OS X Releases
Yosemite looks nicer on that, than on the 17" MacBookPro5,2. No surprise there.
After using it for a couple of hours or so, the default appearance remains visually inoffensive, but I know from experience that I'll not tolerate the title bar nonsense. So my immediate focus is on evaluation of Apple and non-Apple alternatives to Yosemite.
Side note: if I'm not mistaken, this display at its darkest is significantly darker than the MacBookPro5,2 at its darkest. Around 20:35 now in the UK, probably close to dusk, no lights on in my front room, I'm sat not far from the window and there's not yet a sense of Yosemite being excessively bright.
Agree. I think it is so elegant yet simple. Really love the direction Apple is going with it
Yes it looks really good. I love it
It dawned on me today that Yosemite seems to remind me of MacKeeper. Just mention MacKeeper in a thread somewhere and people come out of the woodwork screaming and arguing.
Tip to Apple:
A new advertising slogan for Yosemite:
Yosemite: the MacKeeper of OS X Releases
What is mackeeper?? I found a page http://mackeeper.com but it is completely uninformative to the uninitiated.
Vague and uninformative, that's precisely their strategy. Avoid this thing at all costs. Once, I downloaded an application (I don't remember which one, but it was genuine and harmless), and instead I ended up with MacKeeper because a hidden link forced the download. Fortunately I was able to uninstall and remove it rather easily. My boss' wife even told me recently that she actually bought it, believing it was a problem solver - and of course it caused more trouble. I helped her to get rid of it. Below you'll find more information about this questionable app and even more questionable company behind it.
https://sites.google.com/site/appleclubfhs/support/advice-and-articles/mac-viruses
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