yosemite is running fast & smooth here; i hear my fans less. less beachballs. 'feels' lighter to me.
all i know is, it works well, looks good, and let's me use my needed apps without issue.
just what i'd want in a modern OS.
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Yosemite looks terrible!
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yosemite is running fast & smooth here; i hear my fans less. less beachballs. 'feels' lighter to me.
all i know is, it works well, looks good, and let's me use my needed apps without issue.
just what i'd want in a modern OS.
The only thing I would really want to change is the 2d dock. I at least want the ability to choose between a 2d and 3d dock. Dark mode makes the 2d dock better though.
I agree with half of that, system performance has been good. Resource usage I found to be about the same as 10.9.
Orientation, especially for people who like or love the look of OS X 10.10
Around five weeks ago – when the seventh developer preview was current:
There's nothing intrinsically wrong about minority views.
When I last checked, pre-release, the word 'modern' was nowhere to be found in descriptions, by Apple, of the appearance of Yosemite.
To people who have only praise for the appearance of Yosemite: posts of that nature are off-topic from 'Yosemite looks terrible!'.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=19571488#post19571488 offers links to praise-oriented topics, including Yosemite looks great! and Yosemite is Beautiful – there's praise from me.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=19586008#post19586008 (2014-09-07) includes view counts for those two topics, and others.
For the benefit of newcomers, there's a parallel topic:
No. Please see https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=19571488#post19571488
I doubt that a suitably developed third party approach would cause such problems.
Around five weeks ago – when the seventh developer preview was current:
- 28,323 views for the 'Yosemite is Beautiful' topic.
There's nothing intrinsically wrong about minority views.
When I last checked, pre-release, the word 'modern' was nowhere to be found in descriptions, by Apple, of the appearance of Yosemite.
To people who have only praise for the appearance of Yosemite: posts of that nature are off-topic from 'Yosemite looks terrible!'.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=19571488#post19571488 offers links to praise-oriented topics, including Yosemite looks great! and Yosemite is Beautiful – there's praise from me.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=19586008#post19586008 (2014-09-07) includes view counts for those two topics, and others.
For the benefit of newcomers, there's a parallel topic:
No. Please see https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=19571488#post19571488
I doubt that a suitably developed third party approach would cause such problems.
In a sense. Does being able to see it count as part of how it works?
Because I have a hard time just seeing things in Yosemite. IOS 7 didn't bother me at all, but just looking at Yosemite makes me squint, move a little closer, try to read what it says, then think about reloading Mavericks.
EVERYTHING counts. if you're having a hard time seeing things in yosemite, then that matters. bump up font sizes? there are things you can do to fix that.
still, seems great here, at least to me, an os x user since 10.2.
Mostly can't change fonts anymore. Was it ever possible to change the system font?
if i were to use Yosemite, i'd only use it in VM...
used the public beta, and looking at the finished product, the design and flat icons have not changed..
where is the depth ? it just look too dull with lots of transparency.... Apple sure likes their transparency....
Is there a way to uninstall iTunes 12/reinstall iTunes 11 on Mavericks ? I updated, and found of there is no sidebar.., plus i can't get used to the new look.
used the public beta, and looking at the finished product, the design and flat icons have not changed..
where is the depth ? it just look too dull with lots of transparency.... Apple sure likes their transparency....
Is there a way to uninstall iTunes 12/reinstall iTunes 11 on Mavericks ? I updated, and found of there is no sidebar.., plus i can't get used to the new look.
Tinker tool just shipped a new version, Yosemite and iTunes 12 support.
http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html
What are you talking about? I installed the security update. There was no iTunes 12 attached to it. I still have iTunes 11.4
And by the way I'm staying on Mavericks for as long as it takes. Yosemite is a horrible JOKE.
It gives some interesting colour options with a good backdrop I really like in dark mode:
But the same can get garish moving between parts of the UI:
It seems full of these contradictions with the inclusion of translucency, though so far I'm enjoying it, the overall experience is a lot of fun. I'd like to see it develop, love the font, the dock is not really standing out to me now, enjoying the colours though it could use some refinement and I hope it gets it in a way that doesn't alienate long time users, yet keeps true to the ideals stylistically that Yosemite puts forth.
But the same can get garish moving between parts of the UI:
It seems full of these contradictions with the inclusion of translucency, though so far I'm enjoying it, the overall experience is a lot of fun. I'd like to see it develop, love the font, the dock is not really standing out to me now, enjoying the colours though it could use some refinement and I hope it gets it in a way that doesn't alienate long time users, yet keeps true to the ideals stylistically that Yosemite puts forth.
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Guilty as charged, yes I could have avoided it. However backing out is a PITA, that's real.
I haven't read the whole thread (yet).
First impressions:
1) Doesn't look finished. But I know that it is (sad face). Example: the white buttons (are we still allowed to call them buttons?) at the top of Safari. Just sad looking.
2) Fonts are harder to read. Example: the tab names in Safari. Medium gray fine text on a slightly lighter gray background. Brilliant.
3) Not happy that they blurred my background image when signing onto my laptop (e.g., resuming from sleep). That's about the only time that I get to enjoy that background image in all its glory. Once I'm signed in, my screen is filled with application windows that cover it.
4) Apparently, Jony Ive hates color (see: Finder app, bookmarks in Safari, etc.) except when they're obnoxious colors (see: iTunes icon).
5) I thought there was a 'Dark mode'. It sure needs it. Just as with iOS7, having all of this white/light beaming at my eyes is going to fatigue them quickly. I see a 'Use dark menu bar and Dock' option in Settings which improves the launch bar, but I prefer the regular mode for the top menu bar, so I guess I can't win. Is there another 'Dark mode' setting somewhere else, because I need to darken up everything else in this UI.
6) The UI has lots of "smudges" all over the place. I thought this only happened with the new translucency effects, but I just noticed that the Messages app has a big blue smudge in the upper right portion of the window, there's nothing blue behind it, and the smudge doesn't move when I move the window. Speaking of the translucency effects, I think I'd prefer to turn that off. I don't think it's possible, is it?
7) OK, I found a way to reduce transparency and improve contrast. It's in the 'Accessibility' settings. Apparently, Ive only lets us improve his UI a bit by groveling before him and claiming that we have a disability.
First impressions:
1) Doesn't look finished. But I know that it is (sad face). Example: the white buttons (are we still allowed to call them buttons?) at the top of Safari. Just sad looking.
2) Fonts are harder to read. Example: the tab names in Safari. Medium gray fine text on a slightly lighter gray background. Brilliant.
3) Not happy that they blurred my background image when signing onto my laptop (e.g., resuming from sleep). That's about the only time that I get to enjoy that background image in all its glory. Once I'm signed in, my screen is filled with application windows that cover it.
4) Apparently, Jony Ive hates color (see: Finder app, bookmarks in Safari, etc.) except when they're obnoxious colors (see: iTunes icon).
5) I thought there was a 'Dark mode'. It sure needs it. Just as with iOS7, having all of this white/light beaming at my eyes is going to fatigue them quickly. I see a 'Use dark menu bar and Dock' option in Settings which improves the launch bar, but I prefer the regular mode for the top menu bar, so I guess I can't win. Is there another 'Dark mode' setting somewhere else, because I need to darken up everything else in this UI.
6) The UI has lots of "smudges" all over the place. I thought this only happened with the new translucency effects, but I just noticed that the Messages app has a big blue smudge in the upper right portion of the window, there's nothing blue behind it, and the smudge doesn't move when I move the window. Speaking of the translucency effects, I think I'd prefer to turn that off. I don't think it's possible, is it?
7) OK, I found a way to reduce transparency and improve contrast. It's in the 'Accessibility' settings. Apparently, Ive only lets us improve his UI a bit by groveling before him and claiming that we have a disability.
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Nope. New trashcan is much nicer.
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The average consumer will not have a problem with it. But those that don't think they need to let everyone know.
I like it, especially Safari. Performance is outstanding.
If you liked the lucite wastebaskets found in trendy early eighties haircut salons. I'll need to update my old garbage pail and flys icon from that era.
Skeumorphism deserves to die a horrible death, but not so as to benefit dystopian minimalism.
Love that trash can? Here you go, you can buy one just like it!
http://www.containerstore.com/shop/...o=60&breadcrumbPageTitle=Search&mr=trash+cans
Look familiar! So much for innovation
* Image is copyright The Container Store *
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Love that trash can? Here you go, you can buy one just like it!
http://www.containerstore.com/shop/...o=60&breadcrumbPageTitle=Search&mr=trash+cans
Look familiar! So much for innovation
* Image is copyright The Container Store *
Sweet. I just bought six of them.
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Why did you spend time in trendy hair salons?
That 'smudge' is from the underlaying blue message content. In Yosemite, many apps let the content scroll 'under' the toolbar (Safari, Mail, Messages etc.)
Overall, yours is one of the best written and most reasonable Yosemite criticisms I have read here. So congrats on that!
Ah, I see that now.
Thanks. I'm a usability know-it-all. Was close to making a career switch to focusing on that, but I would have had to take a big salary hit. So now it's just a hobby of mine to pick apart things in everything I use.
I'm not minding the look as much as I thought I would; feels pretty snappy and the "dark menu bar and Dock" option in System Preferences->General is great, didn't expect it to extend to the Spotlight popup.
Try the Graphite Appearance theme since it also has a new look. As well, "Increase contrast" in Accessibility->Display outlines most window elements in a thin black line and also sets the "Reduce transparency" option.
Have started replacing icons by hand (Get Info) and with LiteIcon. Inverted colour mode looks good too.
Try the Graphite Appearance theme since it also has a new look. As well, "Increase contrast" in Accessibility->Display outlines most window elements in a thin black line and also sets the "Reduce transparency" option.
Have started replacing icons by hand (Get Info) and with LiteIcon. Inverted colour mode looks good too.
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Technical: Aqua refers to the overall appearance and behavior of OS X
In the words of Apple, on the day of release of Yosemite:
Whilst the appearance of Yosemite is a significant departure from the original appearance of Aqua, please let's accept this part of Apple's guidance for consistency, with this technical term:
Critically: the layout of OS X 10.10 is less masterful than Mavericks I'm not alone in observing such things so in a way, I agree with j800r. I found pre-release Yosemite tolerable for only short periods; that's not friendly. I'm back to the keyword from two months ago:
The overall appearance and behaviour of an Apple product should be more than just tolerable to the broadest possible range of users.
With 10.10, the essence of Aqua as a whole is lost.
In the words of Apple, on the day of release of Yosemite:
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The term Aqua refers to the overall appearance and behavior of OS X. The Aqua look and feel is characterized by consistent, user-friendly behaviors combined with a masterful use of layout, color, and texture.
much of the Aqua look and feel comes for free when you use Cocoa
"
Mac Technology Overview: Cocoa Application Layer (2014-10-16)
Whilst the appearance of Yosemite is a significant departure from the original appearance of Aqua, please let's accept this part of Apple's guidance for consistency, with this technical term:
- use 'Aqua' to refer to the overall appearance and behaviour.
Critically: the layout of OS X 10.10 is less masterful than Mavericks I'm not alone in observing such things so in a way, I agree with j800r. I found pre-release Yosemite tolerable for only short periods; that's not friendly. I'm back to the keyword from two months ago:
The overall appearance and behaviour of an Apple product should be more than just tolerable to the broadest possible range of users.
With 10.10, the essence of Aqua as a whole is lost.
So i took the plunge and updated to yosemite, dam ugly and looks like a step back towards tiger os.
Iam not saying the OS it no good, but the look is so washed out. even dark mode although better still gets on my nerves after a while.
folders ????? look crap
the dock came from tiger os
is the new 2d thing all about the 5k iMac and screens for mac pros, in that if they had to render all in 3d it would feel sluggish on them new shinny screens?
Iam so pleased it kept my mavricks install, dam apple looks wise your going backwards!!!!!!!
Iam not saying the OS it no good, but the look is so washed out. even dark mode although better still gets on my nerves after a while.
folders ????? look crap
the dock came from tiger os
is the new 2d thing all about the 5k iMac and screens for mac pros, in that if they had to render all in 3d it would feel sluggish on them new shinny screens?
Iam so pleased it kept my mavricks install, dam apple looks wise your going backwards!!!!!!!
Even Tiger looks way better than this Yose crap...
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Someday I would love to hear that Jony's crappy UI design caught him with his pants down instead...
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