Yosemite looks terrible!

[grahamperrin]

If Apple were a bunch of Muppets

Note to self: don't read too fast without spectacles. When I first began reading Partron22's post –

If Apple were the 70's Kremlin, this phrase would translate as "We won the bloody battle. All our enemies heads are now impaled on pikes … vacuous wordplay".

– I saw "1970s" so naturally with my brain in predictive text mode, the first thing that came to mind for the next word – beginning with K – was Kermit.

I realised that I had misread.

Then I saw pikes.

1970s, fuzzy felt, frogs and pikes. Whatever next?

Cod? Please, Apple, no – there's enough cod about the operating system already.

Excuse my vacuous wordplay interlude ;-)

 

[holydude]

Apple is no longer relevant

They totally killed iDevices for me with iOS 8 and i am not considering to buy anything from them in tablet / mobile category.


Back to the Yosemite. I was worried but it looks ok! But i have late mbp 15" and a 4k monitor.

The only thing i dislike so far is quick folder view...and folder icons..WTF they look like from KDE 5 are you idiots apple designers ?

And everything is unapologetically glassy...But so far it is not that disturbing.

But that quickview in a dock is garbage...so glassy and so white...wtf...

 

[thirteen1031]

Refreshing look on my Macbook Pro. Going in I wasn't crazy about the look because I really dislike the look of ios7/8 on my wifes iphone but on my Macbook it looks good. It is a welcome change.

I'm in agreement. I'm don't fully love nor hate Yosemite's look, but I think where it's seen makes a difference. It's not the best for my iMac, but on my 11" Air, it's terrific. Why? Because everything pops, and on that smaller screen that really makes a difference. On a big screen, I don't need stuff popping. I can see everything quite clearly. But though the smaller screen is terrific and clear, it's still smallish, and bright, flat-ish buttons and icons are very welcome.

That said, I've often used skins when I didn't like the look of some button or icon on my Mac (or liked the skin icon/button better). It never took all that much effort or memory to change things to what I wanted and liked. So I'm not sure why there's so much sturm and drang over the look.

Companies have to try new things to refresh and upgrade, not just for new customers, but for old ones like me who want to see something new. We may not always like the change, but there are so many ways to have things exactly as we want them. So threatening to leave over such seems a little extreme. Leave over the computer not working the way you want it to work, not over flat bright icons that aren't to your taste but that you can easily change.

After all, in a few years, the flat look will no longer be fashionable. That's a given. Fashion always changes. You never know how fast a "look" will be out. It could be gone tomorrow.

 

[scallywag4249]

underwhelmed or maybe I'm just spoiled.

Okay I have to agree with the looks thing. Yosemite has turned my mac into an ugly sister with an awesome personality and if it weren't for the shell shock fix I probably wouldn't have upgraded. The 5 new enhancements to Yosemite are pretty fluffy. Honestly past upgrades have always had real value to offer end users.

My thinking is that IOS 8 should have moved up to look more like Mavericks rather than the other way around. Oh what we do for family.

Sigh...

I got to see Yosemite yesterday on a guy's machine while waiting at the airport. I don't know if it was a developers preview or a bootleg of one of the DP sets. I suppose it doesn't matter.

My conclusion was that some of the new features, once they get them working OK are good, in fact probably an asset.

....but then there are the changes to the user interface. Jonathon Ive said he was going to "pound it down" (the user interface, that is) and he did so...with a sledge hammer.

This is the worst looking version of MacOS I've ever seen in my life. The folder icons are an obnoxious deep turquoise. The Red, yellow, and green window control buttons have no 3D effects and look more like some cheap drawing. Most 3d effects are gone from the title bars of apps. They're all flat and unsophisticated looking. It reminded me of an early version of Linux or maybe something more like Windows 1.0. Many of the icons have been "simplified"...appaarently they were too complicated for us, so now they're being dumbed down with obnoxious, high contrast colors and simpleton diagrams.

THIS IS JUST PLAIN STUPID LOOKING!!!

I've been a loyal fan of Apple for years, but face the facts guys, Steve Jobs is gone and the new head of the company and his "designer" are pretty clueless. The "good 'ol days" of Apple, as in during the '80's are over, and now it's rebirth and re-incarnation of the company by Jobs in the 2000's are over. All the stuff Jobs liked, like the skeuomorphic design of the recently fired Scott Forstall, was what made the early versions of iOS and OS X look great, but Ive apparently got Forstall fired and has been "correcting" first iOS and now OS X.

FYI, CNET did a user rating of Ive's "greatly improved" iOS 7 and it got a 1.5 out 5 stars....all previous versions of iOS (from Jobs/Forstall) had ratings between 4.5 and 5. We obviously won't hear a bad word about Apple from anyone that stands to profit from advertising revenue but I'm afraid user rating tell the real story.

Unless they change Yosemite to appear more like its predecessors, I would give Yosemite a rating of 0.5 out of 5 stars. You really have to see it to get the feel for how butt-ugly and stupid looking it is.

I believe when my current generation of Apple hardware starts going south, the replacements will be non-Apple.

Any ideas for non-Windows alternates? I'm thinking Linux, FreeBSD, etc.

 

[DisplacedMic]

come on now...

Apple is no longer relevant <---this is where most people will stop reading

They totally killed iDevices for me with iOS 8 and i am not considering to buy anything from them in tablet / mobile category.


Back to the Yosemite. I was worried but it looks ok! But i have late mbp 15" and a 4k monitor.

The only thing i dislike so far is quick folder view...and folder icons..WTF they look like from KDE 5 are you idiots apple designers ?

And everything is unapologetically glassy...But so far it is not that disturbing.

But that quickview in a dock is garbage...so glassy and so white...wtf...

 

[wizmaster]

I personally think it looks cleaner. People just don't like change.

 

[grahamperrin]

… on my 11" Air, it's terrific. Why? Because everything pops, and on that smaller screen that really makes a difference. On a big screen, I don't need stuff popping. …

17" MacBook Pro here, relatively big for a notebook. Certainly relatively big compared to the 11" Air. 1920 x 1200 pixels.

I loved the popping. Others will disagree but it was amongst the things that I considered to be exquisite.

Companies have to try new things to refresh and upgrade, not just for new customers, but for old ones like me who want to see something new. We may not always like the change, but there are so many ways to have things exactly as we want them. …

… flat look will no longer be fashionable. … You never know how fast a "look" will be out. It could be gone tomorrow.

That inspires me. The Appearance pane of System Preferences is taking shape:

10.10 looks
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[ ] Now 
[ ] Until OS X 10.11 
[ ] Until further notice 
[√] Gone tomorrow 
[ ] Retrofit me Back to the Stone Age Daddy-O, all this lazy exaggeration is making me jolly tired, and give me a big red lolly while you're at it

– changes will take effect after you restart your Mac.

… really getting tiresome seeing all the threads after each update of OSX/iOS calling for a return to the stone age...

Oh, 10/10 Cassady. Concise paraphrasing combined with extraordinarily subtle … is it exaggeration? Or has a user of Yosemite truly requested a theme that resembles pre-Jobs (Stone Age) Macintstone™ OS 6001BC? Either way, it's an innovative combination.

We aim to please. Above. There's a check box (more 'modern' than a radio button) for you

underwhelmed or maybe I'm just spoiled. …

Mavericks surely spoils most people in a nice way. Over decades, as things are changed, people become accustomed to having things exactly as they want them. Yosemite breaks that custom.

You should unapologetically expect to be spoilt, not crapped on, by a supposed improvement from Apple. Request the Best.

 

[EricDejuan]

Yosemite is much more clean, text is more eligible. Some people are still stuck in the pass with embossed, 3D glassy interface from the old Myspace days. The flat gradient look is obviously the new as multiple companies from Square Inc to other companies have redesigned their sites to be flat and solid.

 

[grahamperrin]

… People just don't like change.

Sorry, that's not an acceptable explanation for what's disliked about OS X 10.10. Related:

Doubting people's willingness to adapt to difference and to novelty

… text is more eligible.

Sorry, that's not true as a generalisation. I don't doubt that you prefer the appearance, but the observations about reduced legibility are numerous and well-explained.

Some people are still stuck in the pass …

Do you doubt people's willingness to adapt to difference and to novelty? Fair enough, but there's an unprecedented reaction to Yosemite, and it can't be dismissed as simply due to 'change'.

Anyone: what's intrinsically wrong with the past, what's wrong with the present? Mavericks is presently distributed by Apple and supported by Apple. Don't let Apple's pride of 2013 be bulldozed so quickly. It's mental.

 

[EricDejuan]

Sorry, that's not an acceptable explanation for what's disliked about OS X 10.10. Related:

Doubting people's willingness to adapt to difference and to novelty



Sorry, that's not true as a generalisation. I don't doubt that you prefer the appearance, but the observations about reduced legibility are numerous and well-explained.



Do you doubt people's willingness to adapt to difference and to novelty? Fair enough, but there's an unprecedented reaction to Yosemite, and it can't be dismissed as simply due to 'change'.

Anyone: what's intrinsically wrong with the past, what's wrong with the present? Mavericks is presently distributed by Apple and supported by Apple. Don't let Apple's pride of 2013 be bulldozed so quickly. It's mental.

It's just my opinion.

 

[holydude]

come on now...

If they do then they are iSheeps.

 

[WaxedJacket]

There's people out there that want Apple to go back to System 7 or Aqua UI. The key is just to ignore them ^_^

 

[AppleMooseMan]

I personally think it looks cleaner. People just don't like change.

I'm seriously becoming tired of this trite thought terminating cliché. It's one of the most effective ways to bludgeon someone into submission; it immediately puts them on the defensive "Oh! Let's ignore all of their coherent and constructive points, and disregard their opinion entirely, because it's too tiring to post a reasonable rebuttal!" It's similar to people who genuinely like the design and can convey their points rationally, being denigrated as Apple sheep; it's fallacious reasoning. The thing is, I concede some areas of design are indeed subjective, but you are being disingenuous if you think that applies to all facets of design. Jony Ive who I revere enormously for his work on industrial design would scoff at the implication that design is arbitrary and follows no rules. Shielding Apple from criticism by using that phrase
does no one any favours. Critique of new design is essential.

My opinion on the new visual look for Yosemite is ambivalent. There are some areas that I find alluring like the bolder colours, the vibrant traffic lights, the boot & login screen, some of the new UI elements. But I abhor a few things too, like the new font which can't be changed unless you install 3rd party software, it isn't as legible as its predecessor. The stacks menu in the dock is mystifying, I can't believe they chose that colour. The new folder icons are just hideous. The toolbar when filled with items impedes the ability of the user to drag the window. The search box is more reminiscent of a button than a text input box. The overabundance of translucency is distracting, and they provide no option to turn off translucency for everything bar the dock. It would be nice if the level of translucency was adjustable, I've always liked touches of it. The icons are egregious apart from the finder and trash can. If you're accustomed to seductive, detailed icon design you'll understand why. Over in the customisation section of the forum a user named Arn0 has provided stunning icon designs for a plethora of applications, I suggest you all check it out. The dock annoys me too, and I just wish apple would provide a simple option in their appearance pane of the preferences to allow us to switch back to the 3 dimensional dock.

I won't be upgrading my main machine as I think in most places the new theme is inferior, but I'm purchasing a new portable machine soon, and the new design is not deterring me from my purchase. Some of the new user features are compelling especially if you're an iOS device user, and I'll make a few adjustments to the theme myself. I'll change the system font, the dock back to 3D and update the icons to my personal selection.

I think there are strengths and weaknesses to the new visual look, beautifully implemented in some spots and arbitrary in orders. I've really enjoyed the discourse in here from people on both sides of the fence.

 

[DisplacedMic]

If they do then they are iSheeps.

maybe in whatever world you live in.
not saying the company is above criticism, lord knows that isn't true - but to claim that apple is no longer relevant is just silly.

surely you're not serious with this nonsense?

 

[petsounds]

There's people out there that want Apple to go back to System 7 or Aqua UI. The key is just to ignore them ^_^

I don't know, I think Yosemite borrowed System 7's folder icons...

 

[Traverse]

I can't believe they made this a sticky. XD

 

[grahamperrin]

come on now...

If they do then they are iSheeps.

… to claim that apple is no longer relevant is just silly.

surely you're not serious with this nonsense?

I thought holydude simply made a joke about "come on" – those two words alone, without reference to the six or seven paragraphs that followed. It is a long topic, and italicised text (used by the forum for quotes) is less easy to read than upright, and so on.

It's not the best joke, but it did make me laugh for a moment. (Hang on … did I detect something bleat-like about my laugh? I'm gonna go to bed paranoid now …)

I should probably also have of a sense of humour when it's implied that people who dislike the look of Yosemite are "calling for a return to the stone age" – from just a few hours ago,

For me, it's not about liking only what's old. Neither is it about disliking novelty. It is, specifically, about not liking the look of OS X 10.10.​

EricDejuan: thanks. In a topic with more than 1,300 posts, repetition becomes tiring

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Cherry-picking from this page: the post above from AppleMooseMan is very thoughtful.

 

[Eithanius]

There's people out there that want Apple to go back to System 7 or Aqua UI. The key is just to ignore them ^_^

And there are people out there that wants to continue ranting without anyone from the other camp badgering around...

The key is to ignore us, mind your own god-damned business and get off this thread...!

 

[joedec]

And there are people out there that wants to continue ranting without anyone from the other camp badgering around...

The key is to ignore us, mind your own god-damned business and get off this thread...!

Look at it on the bright side, at least the folks who's only answer for the last couple months for every complaint was "its a Beta", are quiet.

Did Apple fix everything, no.

Now the reply changes to "what do expect as an early adopter?"

 

[grahamperrin]

Overview of the beautiful and terrible topics: no surprise that people are passionate about the Mac. It's MacRumors.

I encourage people to see – and make positive contributions to – both 'sides'

Towards seeing both sides, and more …

 

[joedec]

Fear it'll get more ugly

Overview of the beautiful and terrible topics: no surprise that people are passionate about the Mac. It's MacRumors.

I encourage people to see – and make positive contributions to – both 'sides'

Towards seeing both sides, and more …

You're right there, the Mac passion. I never heard anyone say "I Love my PC"

Secondly, the Mac, until lately, was the underdog, the user base being built from people who are willing to pay a high price for a better experience and higher quality. We were on the fringe, I liked it that way. I always had better luck with number 2, they just try harder.

Now Apple is the 800 lb. gorilla and there's a lot of nervousness about that, hence the sharp critiques.

The founder leaving is often not good. Many great companies loose vision after the founder leaves and tank. Usually the new regime blames the founder for "staying too long". DEC, HP, Sun, Microsoft, Dell all went down after the founders left. Apple is not immune.

Sorry for getting so far off topic, title this the "fear it'll get more ugly".

 

[kerrikins]

I can't believe they made this a sticky. XD

I'd rather the thread be at the top where I can disregard it most of the time, tbh.

 

[Shivetya]

any more two dimensional black and white and gray and I would think I am running original windows on my old 50Z

 

[George Dawes]

The buttons in preview and safari look so amateurish , it's truly awful

I thought Jony Ive was supposed to be so talented ?

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I don't know, I think Yosemite borrowed System 7's folder icons...

Image

Ive's always prattling on about the eureka moment he first used a mac ( c system 6 -7 ? ) , maybe that's what his subconscious is dragging him back to ?

Bring back Scott Forstall all is forgiven !!!

 

[tschunde]

UI that needs to be fixed:

The following things need to be fixed:

- Back and Forth Buttons (e.g. Safari) should be grouped together as usual.
- Performance is slower due to transparency effects => improve performance (maybe get rid of transparency)
- Fix Font Readability: Lucida Grande has better readability for non retina macs than Helevetica Neue.
- Close Min Max Buttons are too flat (not clickable) and have too high contrast.
- Calendar, Mail, Contacts, Reminders and Notes desperately need new icons.