Yosemite looks terrible!

[BenjaminJohnson]

The middle ground?

Both skeuomorphism and Minimalistic design are better in different situations. Bad examples of skeuomorphism from Apple include Game Center (probably the worst) and calendar back in Mountain Lion. There are also bad examples of where a minimalistic approach looks stupid for example the iBooks app now on the redesigned iOS. But when the correct choice is made, the design of an app really enhances the experience, for example the wooden shelf looked beautiful on the old iBook app. But a minimalistic weather app also created a beautiful experience that emphasised information on iOS.

Mavericks was close to having that perfect balance. It has enough texture and 3D so that a developer could choose to lean towards skeuomorphism or a minimalistic approach and even the middle ground where most OS X applications sit at the moment. Yosemite is clearly on the minimalistic side of the scale, some applications benefit from it and some are clearly worst off.

I believe thr middle ground is the best design choice for any Operating System. Some applications content is key and others you want the user to feel like there interacting with a real world object. But with Yosemite, a designer has to make their app minimalistic, they don't have a choice.

Yosemite doesn't look terrible as this tread suggest, in fact it looks really pretty in some instances and in others, awful. But lets not forget OS X has always been pretty and the design has been refined over many years approaching that middle ground. With Yosemite, Apple lead by Jony Ive just tipped the scales. All that work of refinement is undone.

I believe Mavericks is more beautiful and refined than Yosemite, this is why I haven't upgraded my main partition. I hope in future OS X releases, Apple starts moving towards the middle once again but in the other direction. If you don't like the look of Yosemite, don't use it, show Apple that you preferred the old design and Apple may work towards the middle once again.

 

[nomore]

Bad examples of skeuomorphism from Apple include Game Center (probably the worst) and calendar back in Mountain Lion.

You're confusing texturing with skeuomorphism. A common mistake. They are not the same.

 

[Av8]

Luckily, when I got my MBA about a week ago, it wasn't pre installed with Yosemite. Reading this, I'm going to stick with Mavericks till they figure out the bugs and everything else that needs to be fixed.

 

[grahamperrin]

Sunday reading – thoughts

For a while, probably until 16th October, Apple asked a target market:

What will your verse be?

Everyone has something to share. See how people are using (an Apple product) in their unique ways to add to the world's story.

Explore their stories >​

Naturally, not every person's story is as eye-catching as the few that were promoted by Apple. But each story does deserve respect and understanding – by those who choose to take the time to read/listen. A condensed story (paraphrased, with help from Google Translate):

Sylvia makes people smile. She's a trainer, photographer and much more – a multitasker whose interests include youth, foster care, sustainability and design. A lover of gadgets, of anything with a plug. A photo editor who helps to draft and edit a magazine for an organisation that can offer help where no one else helps. An optimist who decided five years ago to start a company with a focus on one of her greatest loves. An Apple fan.​

Linked from the 'top ten' section at http://tinyurl.com/1010uglystick, a brief conversation with Sylvia Huisman:

I want to customize the ugly Yosemite layout. Anyone any idea?

Which things are most ugly?​

The looks, the looks and the looks and the not working outgoing mailserver …​

Well....not gonna lie. I disliked the UI first but after 2 days I gotta admit that I'm starting to like it. …

Honesty is always welcome. Thanks. I assume that for most people who dislike the looks of OS X 10.10, the personal collection of dislikes will become smaller in number, or less frequently annoying, or less deeply annoying, as time passes. 10.10 can grow on some customers, but an operating system from Apple should be much better than that. As close as possible to the best. Another condensed story, in the customer's own words:

After just a few days on iOS 7 I "got it", fell in love with the UI. Not so Yosemite. Still looks like someone hit it with the ugly stick.​

Yosemite aside, for a minute or two. I worked with someone who themed their Firefox in a way that made most of the UI (everything above the content) horribly difficult to work with. The image at the heart of the theme was quite gorgeous – wild colours and patterns, something jungle-like if I recall correctly – but as the essence of a theme of a user interface, it was terribly unsuitable.

For the longest time, I said nothing (I provide IT support). Eventually one day whilst helping her with something, I politely commented on the usability. She agreed that the theme, whilst pretty (as a picture) when first applied by her, had a ridiculously awful effect; she had consciously plodded on for months with a theme that worked against her. She simply hadn't bothered to find out how to get things back to normal. Fair enough – she's an intelligent person, with greater priorities than mucking about repeatedly with UI customisations, and so on. I showed her how to restore the traditional, far more usable, user interface. She smiled and thanked me.

That was her short story, from a Firefox usability and IT support perspective. A key point:

• a percentage of customers will recognise that the user interface, the user experience, is bad – and say nothing about that badness.

I'll not attempt to guess a percentage.

Now we have Yosemite. What will people's verses be?

The worst part of all is they don't listen to feedback unless they get a gazillion people all saying the same thing.

… eye candy BS nonsense … they seem more interested in working on … users be damned.

They may just get that this time.

The more feedback the better. At http://tinyurl.com/1010uglystick the two most relevant links are uppermost.

There was, at least once, attention from someone leading to part(s) of this topic, but probably not the type of attention that can be positively useful if there's a desire to sway some other person, or other group(s), within the company.

To any person who suspects that Apple has not yet realised a seriously negative effect on your use case: if you struggle to express the use case or the effect, maybe begin with a 'verse' for yourself, worded as someone who doesn't know you might word it. You needn't include that verse in your feedback to Apple, but it could help to make clearer – to a variety of strangers, not all at the same time (imagine what you write being viewed by people with diverse opinions on what's best for OS X) – each problem caused for you by the first release of Yosemite.

(Side note: Apple's use of the word 'verse' made me cringe a little, but I'll go with it for this part of the topic.)

… Ive is now the head of the UI division if I'm not mistaken, so ultimately it is his responsibility.

I'll continue with a charitable reluctance to target any individual. From http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/jonathan-ive.html:

… Apple's senior vice president of Design, reporting to CEO Tim Cook. Since 1996, he has been responsible for leading a design team widely regarded as one of the world’s best. As the driving force behind the look and feel of Apple's innovative products, Jony also provides leadership and direction for Human Interface (HI) software teams across the company.

Recognized with numerous design awards, Apple products are featured in the permanent collections of museums worldwide, including MoMA in New York and the Pompidou in Paris.

Jony holds a Bachelor of Arts and an honorary doctorate from Newcastle Polytechnic. In 2003, he was named Designer of the Year by the Design Museum London and awarded the title Royal Designer for Industry by The Royal Society of Arts.​

Jony Ive is definitely responsible for leading a team. He's a driving force behind some things. He also leads and directs some other teams. He reports to Tim Cook. We can't expect Jony to be superhuman. Maybe Tim has an overriding vision that is not completely shared by Jony. We can't expect Tim to be superhuman. Maybe there's (more than a desire) a necessity to continue with some of what was envisaged by Steve Jobs and if so, maybe they're doing their best within a framework that's sub-obtimal in the absence of Steve. That's not a dig at Tim or Jony; we can't expect those people to be clones of Steve in a way that suits our own unselfish requirements. So many possibilities and it's entirely possible that at some senior level, the penny has not yet dropped about what's appropriate for 'Mac users' (in the broadest sense of that phrase).

I took a look at the Apple site and people there are removing it for the very same reasons listed in this post. …

Thanks. I might bookmark some of the newer topics there for addition to my /1010uglystick list. …*

(I removed the tail of this post – https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=20276423#post20276423 below draws attention to irrelevances – thanks to Morpheo.)

 

[F1Mac]

Yosemite aside, for a minute or two. I worked with someone who themed their Firefox in a way that made most of the UI (everything above the content) horribly difficult to work with. The image at the heart of the theme was quite gorgeous – wild colours and patterns, something jungle-like if I recall correctly – but as the essence of a theme of a user interface, it was terribly unsuitable.

Oh come on you can't put Yosemite's UI on the same level as these stupid Firefox themes! Yosemite's translucency and look is NOTHING like this.

 

[grahamperrin]

Missing the point

Oh come on …

What Morpheo quoted – the first of three paragraph's about someone's experience with Firefox – was not the key point.

A key point of those three paragraphs was presented as this bullet point:

• a percentage of customers will recognise that the user interface, the user experience, is bad – and say nothing about that badness.

 

[F1Mac]

point taken

A key point of those three paragraphs was presented as this bullet point:

• a percentage of customers will recognise that the user interface, the user experience, is bad – and say nothing about that badness.

And another percentage will recognise that the user experience is quite good and effective, yet they have an issue or two with the UI. Which should not prevent people from upgrading imho.

 

[F1Mac]

[/URL]" and at a glance, questions such as these relate to stepping away from Yosemite (not necessarily as a reaction to its appearance):

• http://apple.stackexchange.com/q/132823/8546
• http://apple.stackexchange.com/q/135677/8546
• http://apple.stackexchange.com/q/151040/8546
• http://apple.stackexchange.com/q/151498/8546
• http://apple.stackexchange.com/q/151875/8546
• http://apple.stackexchange.com/q/151906/8546
• http://apple.stackexchange.com/q/152795/8546
• http://apple.stackexchange.com/q/153122/8546
• http://apple.stackexchange.com/q/153162/8546

Yeah not necessarily as a reaction to its appearence... These complaints have been the same with EACH OS release, this is not Yosemite's fault! Here are the best parts:

have installed the developer preview for Yosemite.
Huge mistake. Everything in my workspace is broken.

"everything in my workspace is broken" - hm, yeah, ok, what does that mean? Be precise! And it's called "developer preview" for a reason.

So I'm considering updating to Yosemite, but I have a 2011, low end MBP, and Im a bit afraid that its going to be slow. If I do upgrade, is there anyway that I can revert back to mavericks?

This one hasn't even tried it, he's just concerned. Poor thing.

I've just "upgraded" to Yosemite, but I really hate the design and I want to go back to Maverics.

well fortunately you've had the opportunity to look at its design for quite some time before installing it. You shoud have thought twice genius.

I have a late 2009 iMac running Mountain Lion, I also have a Macbook Pro running Mavericks. I have been planning on installing Mavericks on the iMac, but now that Yosemite has been released, Mavericks is no longer available on the Mac App store.

ok I'm not sure about that one but iirc, Apple has always done it this way. Back when OSes shipped on physical discs and were not free, as soon as a new version came out, the previous one was removed from shelves. I could be wrong though so correct me if I am.

Their goal is to make people upgrade to their latest OS, why would they still offer the previous one?

I stupidly downloaded the new OS X Yosemite 10.10 on my 2011 iMac that does all of my Pro Tools work and now some of the things I use aren't compatible yet.

Oh I like that one. I use Pro Tools too my friend. I made the upgrade because I KNEW that all my plugins and VIs and all were going to work, and because I saw on avid forums that a few users were already running the Yosemite PB without problem. EVERY Pro Tools user KNOWS very well that you have to be extra careful before an OS upgrade, as quite a few third-party plugins/drivers/whatever won't work yet. Upgrading you main/work/daw machine is up to you, but you should have known incompatibilities could appear. And "some of the things" that means nothing. What is he talking about exactly?

I have the new Yosemite. How do i downgrade to the last version?
I really don't like it. Lost Yahoo messenger and a lot of extras I had on my old operating system.

Do people actually know what upgrading an OS means?

Apparently they have no clue whatsoever. "I want to install it but what can I do if I don't like it huh?" "I have installed it but I don't like it"..... oooooooooh aren't they cute? If Yahoo messenger and some shareware/freeware stuff ("a lot of extras") are enough to make you downgrade that's your problem! Apps will get updated eventually so don't panic!!!!! tssssssss.....

I made the biggest mistake of my adult life and installed Yosemite without backing up my HDD. Fortunately, I do have most of my actual files and programs saved to my external HDD, but that leads to another problem.

ok but what was the problem? why do you want to downgrade?


I have nothing against valid complaints, but these above are not what I'd call valid (I would call some of them stupid though, but I guess that's for another discussion ), because they could be applied to EVERY major OS revision, NOT JUST YOSEMITE. (I'm not yelling at you btw )

 

[IA64]

Yeah not necessarily as a reaction to its appearence... These complaints have been the same with EACH OS release, this is not Yosemite's fault! Here are the best parts:



"everything in my workspace is broken" - hm, yeah, ok, what does that mean? Be precise! And it's called "developer preview" for a reason.



This one hasn't even tried it, he's just concerned. Poor thing.



well fortunately you've had the opportunity to look at its design for quite some time before installing it. You shoud have thought twice genius.




ok I'm not sure about that one but iirc, Apple has always done it this way. Back when OSes shipped on physical discs and were not free, as soon as a new version came out, the previous one was removed from shelves. I could be wrong though so correct me if I am.

Their goal is to make people upgrade to their latest OS, why would they still offer the previous one?



Oh I like that one. I use Pro Tools too my friend. I made the upgrade because I KNEW that all my plugins and VIs and all were going to work, and because I saw on avid forums that a few users were already running the Yosemite PB without problem. EVERY Pro Tools user KNOWS very well that you have to be extra careful before an OS upgrade, as quite a few third-party plugins/drivers/whatever won't work yet. Upgrading you main/work/daw machine is up to you, but you should have known incompatibilities could appear. And "some of the things" that means nothing. What is he talking about exactly?



Do people actually know what upgrading an OS means?

Apparently they have no clue whatsoever. "I want to install it but what can I do if I don't like it huh?" "I have installed it but I don't like it"..... oooooooooh aren't they cute? If Yahoo messenger and some shareware/freeware stuff ("a lot of extras") are enough to make you downgrade that's your problem! Apps will get updated eventually so don't panic!!!!! tssssssss.....



ok but what was the problem? why do you want to downgrade?


I have nothing against valid complaints, but these above are not what I'd call valid (I would call some of them stupid though, but I guess that's for another discussion ), because they could be applied to EVERY major OS revision, NOT JUST YOSEMITE. (I'm not yelling at you btw )

Mmm so what's wrong with asking if a downgrade is possible ?

You also understand that having a look at the UI without trying it for couple of days isn't enough to judge it right ?


Let's face it. The user interface is ugly. I so want to defend it but No...no no no...

Wanna talk about the features, fast performance, nice fonts etc... you have my vote.

But not the UI. Come on mate we're not gonna debate a lot, look :

Okay it's a change, a refresh, whatever you wanna call it but a pic is worth a thousand words.

I rest my case.

 

[grahamperrin]

Thanks, and an apology

Yeah not necessarily as a reaction to its appearence. …

I have nothing against valid complaints, but these above are not what I'd call valid (I would call some of them stupid though, but I guess that's for another discussion ), because they could be applied to EVERY major OS revision, NOT JUST YOSEMITE. (I'm not yelling at you btw )

I could understand some yelling about that! I'd like to pretend that I let those links, gathered in a hurry, get published just to see whether anyone actually bothered to read.

The truth is, I saw that at least some of the linked questions might be irrelevant to looks, but didn't take time to check the others. So, an apology for my laziness and thank you Morpheo – I removed that part of my post and left, in its place, a link to your post.

(Side note: one of the things I love about Stack Exchange is its ability to help a person realise how to ask a 'good' question. The few that I originally linked to, above, were probably not exemplary. http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/18584/166799 is easily found but I haven't voted there, which means it's not the page that first came to mind. Maybe later, but not in this topic …)

… a pic says a thousand words.

I rest my case.

It said nothing when the URL for the image appeared to lack a : (screenshot attached) so I guess that you quickly reopened your case to correct the URL. Thanks

Personally I'm ambivalent about the Dock, because third party software can make it better for people who dislike what Apple has done. I'm ambivalent but I think I can see why people have very strong reactions to the changes in that area.

If there are not yet a thousand words to express the dislike of Yosemite's looks in my /1010uglystick list, there soon will be. I'm highlighting the best of the worst in Apple Support Communities, then it'll be on to Twitter, and I don't expect tweets this weekend to be any more charitable than tweets last weekend. Discreet crisis management time? I wonder …

 

[smoking monkey]

Let's face it. The user interface is ugly.

But not the UI. Come on mate we're not gonna debate a lot, look :

Image

... but a pic is worth a thousand words.

I rest my case.

The bottom dock looks better in my opinion.

Just be glad you aren't a lawyer. Because you'd be disbarred.

 

[IA64]

The bottom dock looks better in my opinion.

Just be glad you aren't a lawyer. Because you'd be disbarred.

Ironically, I'm an engineer.

 

[smoking monkey]

Ironically, I'm an engineer.

Er... what?

Actually, I don't find it hard to believe you are an engineer.
Nothing personal, but all the engineers I've known, (I worked for a civil engineering company for a year and have met many in my dealings in Japan), have had terrible taste in food, fashion and art.

That's not to say you are wrong about this. You are entitled to your opinion.
But perhaps you could tell us your opinion on why the basics of the UI in Yosemite are ugly.
Here's some to get you started.

1. I don't like the clarification and simplification, "flat look", of the icons because...
2. I don't like the layered effect because...
3. I don't think Apple has achieved Icon styles that are freshly balanced to communicate a sense of harmony and stability because...

 

[grahamperrin]

Easy, tiger/monkey …

Er... what?

Actually, I don't find it hard to believe you are an engineer.
Nothing personal, but all the engineers I've known, (I worked for a civil engineering company for a year and have met many in my dealings in Japan), have had terrible taste in food, fashion and art. …

Gently, please. To me, at least some of that did seem a little personal. Consider the possibility that IA64 (or some other engineer reading this) may have met many engineers who have good taste.

(From a few posts earlier: each story does deserve respect and understanding – by those who choose to take the time to read/listen … "Er... what?" might be not an incentive for people to share their stories.)

Beyond that: good questions √

 

[IA64]

Er... what?

Actually, I don't find it hard to believe you are an engineer.
Nothing personal, but all the engineers I've known, (I worked for a civil engineering company for a year and have met many in my dealings in Japan), have had terrible taste in food, fashion and art.

That's not to say you are wrong about this. You are entitled to your opinion.
But perhaps you could tell us your opinion on why the basics of the UI in Yosemite are ugly.
Here's some to get you started.

1. I don't like the clarification and simplification, "flat look", of the icons because...
2. I don't like the layered effect because...
3. I don't think Apple has achieved Icon styles that are freshly balanced to communicate a sense of harmony and stability because...

First, I strongly believe that a majority of those who liked the new UI are OSx users since long time ( have witnessed different release ) and find the new design refreshing and " modern " if that's what they call it. perfectly normal, it's a change anyway.

Now if you ask me, I use OS x occasionally ( not my main workstation ) but I haven't gotten bored of the Mavericks layout/design yet. I still find its look more sophisticated, professional and appealing.

And yeah the new Dock makes me feel like working on a giant iPad.

Indeed " la simplicité fait la beauté'‎" but Apple got it wrong this time.

my 2 cents...

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

I got an exclusive peek of the upcoming OSX 10.20. What do you guys think?

Image

LOL. Sadly, you're probably closer to the truth than most people think.

Let's face it. The user interface is ugly. I so want to defend it but No...no no no...

Wanna talk about the features, fast performance, nice fonts etc... you have my vote.

But not the UI. Come on mate we're not gonna debate a lot, look :

Image

Okay it's a change, a refresh, whatever you wanna call it but a pic is worth a thousand words.

I remember all the complaints about Apple just changing the iTunes ICON awhile back to that blue one. Well, look at the new red one. It's even UGLIER. Yet all these fanatics seem to think if they keep screaming, "Ugly is the new Beautiful" in our ears we'll believe Yosemite is gorgeous.

I rest my case.

Yeah right. They'll tell you the Yosemite one looks "newer" and "fresher" (even though the new dock looks more like the original dock so it's a load of crap). People see what they want to see and fanatics would say OS X looks awesome even if Apple made it look 100% just like Windows 3.1 (they're already 50% the way there with Yosemite's flat, low-color look). If Microsoft made Windows look 100% like OS X, they'd scream a bloody fit about stealing the look, etc. but when Apple clearly copies something from them, they practically faint from pure giddy. I think fanaticism is the one thing about the Apple platforms that has turned me off even more than Johnny Ive's graphics. You can't have a rational conversation with a fanatic (regardless of what they're a fanatic or disciple of). They don't listen or discuss. They preach.

The bottom dock looks better in my opinion.

Case in point.

 

[Partron22]

Image

Finder: Artistic Disaster, are we all supposed to think "inside the box" from now on? Sideways dude has been mutilated.
Rocketship: OK, I never could figure out what it was doing flying across a CD anyway.
Safari: Might now be a gas gauge on an old Ford, or a barometer.
Mail: Smaller, harder to see.
Calender: Ehh.
Notes: Still awfully Skeuomorphic.
Reminders: My stoplight collection.
Contacts: Skeuomorphic little black books should be black, and never have colored stick-out tabs.
Maps: OK, if dull. Why must I be constantly reminded it's 3D?
Messages: The back end of a hippopotamus wearing a dotted cast on its right leg? Icon never was any good.
Face Time: That camera looks like a rectangle. I'd supect Messages, if not for the previous hippopotamus.
Pictures: OK
iTunes: Are we all addicted to Hot Jazz nowdays? Why must you hurt my eyes with this near 'Stop Alert'?
App Store: Remember, AppStore is not Xcode.
iBooks: No improvement on a bad icon is still a bad icon.
System Prefs: Now looks more like a spare part than a working machine.
That last one: Some sort of document; possibly Star Trek related?
Trash can: At least it's updated to current trashy fashion; but it looks like a sewing thimble.

 

[grahamperrin]

Clarity please …

… Yeah right. …

Is that genuine agreement or sarcastic disagreement?

Genuinely, I can't tell. Reading between the lines of some of what you quoted, I imagined that you would agree but now I'm not sure.

(At least in the UK, "Yeah, right" can be very funny if spoken in the right way at the right time. I'm not without a sense of humour, just … I can't tell what's going on here. Thanks. This might be another "Gently, please" moment.)

 

[mrchinchilla]

Image
Finder: Artistic Disaster, are we all supposed to think "inside the box" from now on? Sideways dude has been mutilated.

The worst thing is, the default Yosemite Finder icon is even worse. The icon in that dock comparison screenshot is somewhat bearable compared to this.

 

[F1Mac]

Mmm so what's wrong with asking if a downgrade is possible ?

You also understand that having a look at the UI without trying it for couple of days isn't enough to judge it right ?


Let's face it. The user interface is ugly. I so want to defend it but No...no no no...

Wanna talk about the features, fast performance, nice fonts etc... you have my vote.

But not the UI. Come on mate we're not gonna debate a lot, look :

Image

Okay it's a change, a refresh, whatever you wanna call it but a pic is worth a thousand words.

Yosemite's UI is a sign of our time. "modern" means "minimal", sometimes to the extreme. Eventually, Apple will adjust some of the UI elements. Just a guess though.

I'm no fanatic, but frankly, I wouldn't call the UI ugly - my biggest issue is the brightness. It's a bit too bright for my taste. But I'm getting used to it, and I don't spend all my computer time in the Finder, so not a big deal anyway. The rest I can, honestly, live with it.

 

[smoking monkey]

Gently, please. To me, at least some of that did seem a little personal. Consider the possibility that IA64 (or some other engineer reading this) may have met many engineers who have good taste.

If the poster is going to use being an "engineer" as an argument then my reply is perfectly fine. As to my comment, It's MY real world experience. And that's just opinion - One man's treasure is another man's junk. I never stated there weren't engineers with good taste. Trust me, the engineers I've met, thought I had odd taste.

First, I strongly believe that a majority of those who liked the new UI are OSx users since long time ( have witnessed different release ) and find the new design refreshing and " modern " if that's what they call it. perfectly normal, it's a change anyway.

Now if you ask me, I use OS x occasionally ( not my main workstation ) but I haven't gotten bored of the Mavericks layout/design yet. I still find its look more sophisticated, professional and appealing.
And yeah the new Dock makes me feel like working on a giant iPad.
Indeed " la simplicité fait la beauté'‎" but Apple got it wrong this time.
my 2 cents...

Good points and I reckon valid ones.
It's an interesting point about making it look like a giant iPad.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Is that genuine agreement or sarcastic disagreement?

Genuinely, I can't tell. Reading between the lines of some of what you quoted, I imagined that you would agree but now I'm not sure.

(At least in the UK, "Yeah, right" can be very funny if spoken in the right way at the right time. I'm not without a sense of humour, just … I can't tell what's going on here. Thanks. This might be another "Gently, please" moment.)

It's both. While I agree, I'm being sarcastic at the idea that it's somehow 'case closed' with his argument. My point is you can't really argue with opinions, let alone fanaticism. For example, if someone is already convinced the Loch Ness Monster is real based on a certain famous photo, they will continue to argue it's real even after the guy that took it admitted on his death bed that he FAKED the photo. They'll point to all the other circumstantial "evidence" and insist even IF that photo was faked (some will claim the dying guy was somehow coerced into saying it was fake with threats to his family or some other crazy talk), ALL the other "evidence" proves Nessie is real even so.

The point is no one will convince true believers they are wrong about anything. Aliens could land on the front lawn of the White House in front of the evening news and dis-believers would say it was faked (like the moon landing) and true believers already believed before it landed. Nothing changes unless the aliens actually do something other than land and take off again. It's too easy to fake video these days. No one will believe based on photos or video any longer anyway.

Thus, showing screen captures of 'obvious' ugly photos of Yosemite compared to 'beautiful' previous versions make the mistake of calling Yosemite "ugly" and Mavericks "beautiful" because beauty is in the eye of the beholder to begin with (i.e. opinions) and the absolute most beautiful thing ever seen is always in the mind of the fanatic (i.e. they love everything Apple does) so "reality" has little or no bearing on what their mind's eye thinks it sees. So whether you're dealing with simple opinions of people that have a very different idea of what "beauty" is or someone who sees beauty in everything Apple does due to fanaticism, you can't "show" them anything as they simply don't see the same thing.

 

[ZVH]

I got an exclusive peek of the upcoming OSX 10.20. What do you guys think?

Image

Wow!! That's AWWWWWWWWSOME!!!

How about getting rid of the current shutdown sequence and replacing it with something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

If we're going to go the cartoon-childish route, let's make it a full commitment!!!

 

[nubizus]

Wow!! That's AWWWWWWWWSOME!!!

How about getting rid of the current shutdown sequence and replacing it with something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

If we're going to go the cartoon-childish route, let's make it a full commitment!!!

Its funny. My friend asked me what to do with Yosemite to make it bearable.
Since he has no time to revert to Maverick i just tried to make experience little
more childish. He is glad now. I am sad. Because everything good has to end some day.

 

[Washac]

Sign this petition to bring back the old UI (at least as an option):
https://www.change.org/p/tim-cook-d...ption-to-go-back-to-the-old-theme-in-yosemite

Not too many people signing this