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Yosemite looks terrible!
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Complaining to Apple if you don't like the appearance or functionality of Yosemite is probably the best way to not only get what's bothering you off your chest but probably make the OS better as well.
I think Apple is aware of the fact that the migration from iOS 6 to iOS 7 wasn't well received. A cell phone has to some extent, a captive audience, in that the phone is typically tied to a contract and often the phone and the contract get renewed simultaneously.
A computer OS isn't locked in like that. If someone doesn't like it they can just move on if they wish. There are two differing beta periods for this: first, a set of developer beta's to get the bugs out and refine whatever user interface changes they need, followed by a public beta where the public can scream at them if they want. Hopefully what the end result will be will be an OS that appeals to the vast majority of people....hopefully that is.
Uhm, I doubt that Apple will change their mind about the UI appearance. The iOS 7, Ive's fashion style, is now spreading to OS X as well. What could possibly change this? The betas are just for finding bugs.
What may change this are enough complaints about it. There WERE a lot of complaints about iOS 7 but they released it without sufficient input. I'm speculating that the whole "public beta" thing is to allow them to back out of a Jonathon Ive commitment, or at least battle him off with evidence that his "brilliant ideas" aren't well received.
What in God's name makes anyone think translucency will be a "hit?" When the translucent menu bar came out in Leopard the first thing that came out after it was an application to turn it back to a non-translucent menu bar, then Apple finally gave people the option of using a solid vs. translucent menu bar. Why? Too many complaints. A lot of people didn't like the translucent menu bar.
At first I didn't understand this and thought "What a bunch of whiners" until I saw some "Whiners" with their particular backgrounds and colors end up rendering the translucent menu bar either difficult to read text or convert the colors to something odd, ugly, and/or irritating. Translucency is a stupid idea.
I just saw Yosemite again a day or two ago and all I could do was shake my head and think it looks like an OS designed by a high school student. It's just not professional looking.
Agree. But if they recognised there were a lot of complaints about iOS 7, then why do they move forward and continue with the same UI style for OS X? Perhaps they feel they have no choice?
My theory is that they changed the UI way too quickly. When Forstall was outed, Ive got to work, and in less than a year we saw the results. Did they really evaluate if this was a good UI, or was it all a race to modernise the UI according to some designers taste?
The executives, having confidence in Ive, just let him do his thing. The executives probably don't even know what a good UI is. Maybe they don't even care. The iOS 7 UI just felt "fresh", so they approved it.
Now we are here with a lot of white, neonish colours, flatness and translucency. And even Google follows path with their new UI coming with L Android, by Duarte designer who what, suddenly felt Ive's UI was the best there is?
No, it's all a fashion. How else can one explain the stark changes? Same with Windows. Going from 3D elements and transparency, to total flatness and no transparency. This if anything tells that UI is just fashion. Whoever designer is in charge determines the results, and the comes the copy cats.
Maybe this UI feels fresh, but very quickly I got tired of it. The colours used, and the translucency, the overly flatness, it just made me sick very quickly to work with, and look at.
I quite like both styles.
Colour-usage in yosemite seems to be limited to the most vivid colours and greytones, this looks clear but will probably annoy me.
Skeuomorphism can be annoying too in excess (as in Adress book), but in playful programs it might be fun (Photo booth).
I hold these opinions with no conviction whatsoever. However, I will not lick yosemite.
Colour-usage in yosemite seems to be limited to the most vivid colours and greytones, this looks clear but will probably annoy me.
Skeuomorphism can be annoying too in excess (as in Adress book), but in playful programs it might be fun (Photo booth).
I hold these opinions with no conviction whatsoever. However, I will not lick yosemite.
I agree with it looking bad.
wouldnt go as far to say its terrible.
I believe apple weighed much more heavily on how it would look on the new Retina displays.
As I have a 2011 macbook pro I think the fonts are too thin or skinny, making them look quite "pixelized" and not smooth. The wifi symbol is also really annoying me, cant tell if its gray (no connection) or black..
Hopefully apple sorts out the font issue before they release the full version.
Seems to be a similar issue they had when first releasing iOS 7 with the skinny fonts, which they happily fixed.
As for the flat interface, I really enjoy that.
wouldnt go as far to say its terrible.
I believe apple weighed much more heavily on how it would look on the new Retina displays.
As I have a 2011 macbook pro I think the fonts are too thin or skinny, making them look quite "pixelized" and not smooth. The wifi symbol is also really annoying me, cant tell if its gray (no connection) or black..
Hopefully apple sorts out the font issue before they release the full version.
Seems to be a similar issue they had when first releasing iOS 7 with the skinny fonts, which they happily fixed.
As for the flat interface, I really enjoy that.
Please, please, please don't tell me that the iOS7 "Words = Buttons" foolishness is present in Yosemite . . .
Regarding #1, who has been fired for not agreeing with Ive? Name some names. Also, if that was the case surely it would have leaked and rumor sites would be full of stories about all these fired people. Also where are all these complaints about Yosemite? Got some links? Got a source for your claim that "half the people who see it hate it"? If you're going to make these claims at least back them up with facts.
Sometimes less is more. I did like the fake metal that SJ put in as well as the "lickable" interface. However, the skeuomorphism was getting too much, and the ugly linen bleh. Looked yucky.
Yosemite is very nice looking. Rather incomplete in some areas definitely, but so enjoyable to look at. And yes, heavily inspired by iOS which in turn was a W7 inspiration.
I guess I must not be "wired" to see these "enormous", "hideous", "terrible", "disastrous" changes everyone else is seeing. Looks pretty much the same to me as every other version of OS X I've used (since 2005, at least).
I mean, sure, a few graphic elements look slightly different, and they've gone back to a flat dock instead of the 3D-looking one but, seriously, do most people even *notice* this stuff?
Certainly looks and "feels" just fine to me - looking forward to the new features.
I mean, sure, a few graphic elements look slightly different, and they've gone back to a flat dock instead of the 3D-looking one but, seriously, do most people even *notice* this stuff?
Certainly looks and "feels" just fine to me - looking forward to the new features.
Makes sense to me. Or at the very least put an option in the accessibility settings or something to change the font.
Ive's Apple doesn't work this way, unfortunately. They'll give everyone the same font.
...In hopes that it will make those with non-retina displays upgrade to a retina. I think I'll keep my dual hard drives and upgradable RAM, thank you very much.
Seems like a lot of hyperbole to me. iOS 7 was a big change from iOS 1-6. IMO Yosemite is nothing like that.
I like the transition to flatter designs in more than just it looks nice (my opinion)
Now its easier for everyone to make a better looking interface. There where apps in the pre ios7 time which looked like **** because not everyone who was making an app was a designer and looked like it was their first try with some sort of application to design an icon or buttons or the whole interface.
Thats not just for apps. So many websites where in that whole Web 2.0 design phase and its good that it ended. So many designs where just over the top plasticy and shiny and more often than not bad executed.
Now its easier for everyone to make a better looking interface. There where apps in the pre ios7 time which looked like **** because not everyone who was making an app was a designer and looked like it was their first try with some sort of application to design an icon or buttons or the whole interface.
Thats not just for apps. So many websites where in that whole Web 2.0 design phase and its good that it ended. So many designs where just over the top plasticy and shiny and more often than not bad executed.
Title bars
For me, one of the worst aspects of Yosemite is the partial abandonment of title bars.
I hope to see title bars used properly in the next seeded build.
For me, one of the worst aspects of Yosemite is the partial abandonment of title bars.
I hope to see title bars used properly in the next seeded build.
hahaha, yes they notice it, i always notice the smallest graphic changes when upgrading my OS X, like in mavericks, for example the "name, type, size" in finder changed, but in Yosemite a lot of things have had huge changes.
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