I don't really get the whole non-retina font issue thing , it looks just fine on my cMBP !
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Yosemite looks terrible!
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I don't really get the whole non-retina font issue thing , it looks just fine on my cMBP !
I think Microsoft pioneered the flat design with... WINDOWS 8! and its design precursor the Zune.
Here's an example.
Go to http://www.pixelmator.com
Look at the navigation links on the top right (Tutorials, Support, Blog etc.)
See how crappy they look in low-res? Try zooming out (Cmd+Minus). The font looks bad - like there's something wrong with the anti-aliasing, or as if it is blurry. Compare it to the larger "Full-featured image editing app for the Mac" text at the bottom of the page. Notice how much crisper it looks? Now look at those links at the top right but this time zoom in (Cmd+Plus) - hey they look better now.
This is the problem with Helvetica Neue as a System font. It looks like crap at small sizes, especially on screens with lower pixel density. It's just harder to read.
The question is if its possible to do anything about it to fix it and will Apple do it or leave it as it is. It really makes overall experience worse, at least for me.
I see what you mean , although it doesn't personally bother me , i'm sure there will be workarounds to change the system font , some people have done it already !
According to another thread here, there's an unofficial way to do it that works. No clue if it'll still be there when the beta testing ends.
The problem is, since this is OS X, every app developer is going to attempt to emulate Apple's style as closely as possible, so expect to see Helvetica Neue even in places you can't easily change.
I already changed it in DP2. I forget which app I used, but I had to alter my SystemVersion.plist in /System/Library/CoreServices to 10.9.3 in order for some app's to run, then replace the modified version with the original I saved aside.
I haven't had a font issue you once on my 2 27" Apple Cinema Displays and 2013 nMac Pro. I forget what I chose, it may have been Helvetica and not Helvetica Neue.
I thought I was the only one! My PowerBook is running Tiger which has all of those things and using it makes me feel a little warm and fuzzy...
While pin striping was quaint while the machines had that look too, I do agree on brushed metal; I always quite liked how that looked, but I think it was spoiled by the number of apps that simply enabled it without any thought to aesthetics, resulting in some tremendously ugly looking apps that actually looked fine if you forced them back to the default aqua appearance.
That and every time developers got a new brushed metal refinement, iTunes introduced something else that nobody had access to
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What I would like to know is what was the logic behind this move? Was there some anti-Aqua movement that I was unaware of? Were people contacting Apple telling them the looks of Mavericks and it's predecessors were terrible? Were people pounding their fists on tables screaming in anger and I some how or other missed it?
Well, some of them seem to be screaming now. Lots of posts on lots of web sites with too high a percentage of complaints.
When people start toying with the idea of moving from a Mac to a Linux box because they think the Linux box has the better user interface, it's not a good sign.
It did, however, get me wondering about the Hackintosh movement. Since Apple basically orphans previous operating systems with newer hardware, and it Yosemite ends up losing users, one way to keep using OS X would be to move to a Hackintosh.
It should be interesting to see how this all plays out in the next year or two.
Well, some of them seem to be screaming now. Lots of posts on lots of web sites with too high a percentage of complaints.
When people start toying with the idea of moving from a Mac to a Linux box because they think the Linux box has the better user interface, it's not a good sign.
It did, however, get me wondering about the Hackintosh movement. Since Apple basically orphans previous operating systems with newer hardware, and it Yosemite ends up losing users, one way to keep using OS X would be to move to a Hackintosh.
It should be interesting to see how this all plays out in the next year or two.
I thought I was the only one! My PowerBook is running Tiger which has all of those things and using it makes me feel a little warm and fuzzy...
The rounded edges at the top of the screen made the machine seem friendlier somehow.
Regarding round corners, what you need is:
http://manytricks.com/displaperture/
For all others regarding Yosemite, there are too many fairly serious complaints by too many people on too many web sites to be ignored, but complaining on a web site will do nothing. Here is some contact information for Apple if anyone really wants to take action:
https://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html
If you would prefer to write a complaint, here's the address for that too:
Apple, Inc.
1 Infinite Loop
Cupertino, CA 95014
It's the people that complain that will help Apple. Some people notice every little nuance, some people never notice anything.
I'll probably re-post this on other "complaint" threads too.
http://manytricks.com/displaperture/
For all others regarding Yosemite, there are too many fairly serious complaints by too many people on too many web sites to be ignored, but complaining on a web site will do nothing. Here is some contact information for Apple if anyone really wants to take action:
https://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html
If you would prefer to write a complaint, here's the address for that too:
Apple, Inc.
1 Infinite Loop
Cupertino, CA 95014
It's the people that complain that will help Apple. Some people notice every little nuance, some people never notice anything.
I'll probably re-post this on other "complaint" threads too.
I'd be curious to know where all these complaints are, especially considering its a developer preview that the majority of users don't have access to. Care to share some of the websites where there are lots of about it? If you believed the internet there was all this hate over iOS 7 and yet Apple is selling more iPhones than ever.
Because iOS 7 doesn't rely solely on a design. The hardware and features in iOS plays a major role. As I said, I installed it because I loved the features more than I hated the new design, and all my friends did the same.
And yes, I'm using the word "design" because it's not just about the GUI. The way the new music app is designed, to name just one, is terrible, terrible, terrible... It makes me hate my favorite artists because I'm almost getting a depression when I have to scroll through 40 pages long just to find a single song in my 30 albums. Also, Maps, wrong data aside, looks like a joke compared to Google Maps. There's a fundamental problem in why the Remote app and the Music app are so different. iWork on iPad is hard to use compared to the new Office suite with the Ribbon interface, it's like they tried to hide every control in an awkward way to give you something close to a full-screen view.
As I always said, design-wise, iOS 7 has a ton more problems than Yosemite.
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What I would like though, I talked about it in another thread, is that OS X implements the tinted-color controls, like in iOS, to give apps a little bit more personality. If they are to port features and design trends, now that's a feature that Apple should port. I'm sure OmniGroup and Microsoft would be glad to use it, because all the apps of their suite have a specific color (Word = Blue, Excel = Green, OmniGraffle = Green, etc.). iTunes could use Pink, Contacts could use Blue, Calendar could use Orange, etc. like on iOS.
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While intriguing, I'm not sure this would be a good idea.
On iOS, when one launches an app, it takes over the whole display and the device basically becomes the app. Different personalities in different apps works fine there, because the apps never appear on-screen at the same time.
On Mac OS X, the situation is different. One often works with multiple applications at the same time and more than one of them may be visible at any given time. The key there is consistency, and the fact that too many colours would easily become distracting. This is also the reason why Graphite theme was originally introduced into Mac OS X many users prefer the UI to take a backseat and give the most undivided attention to the content.
I'm talking only about controls like checkboxes, dropdown menus, progress bars, sliders, ...
It would give something like that :
Calendar has partly implemented that, because the current day is highlighted in an orange balloon, both in the sidebar and in the calendar itself.
Complaining to Apple if you don't like the appearance or functionality of Yosemite is probably the best way to not only get what's bothering you off your chest but probably make the OS better as well.
I think Apple is aware of the fact that the migration from iOS 6 to iOS 7 wasn't well received. A cell phone has to some extent, a captive audience, in that the phone is typically tied to a contract and often the phone and the contract get renewed simultaneously.
A computer OS isn't locked in like that. If someone doesn't like it they can just move on if they wish. There are two differing beta periods for this: first, a set of developer beta's to get the bugs out and refine whatever user interface changes they need, followed by a public beta where the public can scream at them if they want. Hopefully what the end result will be will be an OS that appeals to the vast majority of people....hopefully that is.
I think Apple is aware of the fact that the migration from iOS 6 to iOS 7 wasn't well received. A cell phone has to some extent, a captive audience, in that the phone is typically tied to a contract and often the phone and the contract get renewed simultaneously.
A computer OS isn't locked in like that. If someone doesn't like it they can just move on if they wish. There are two differing beta periods for this: first, a set of developer beta's to get the bugs out and refine whatever user interface changes they need, followed by a public beta where the public can scream at them if they want. Hopefully what the end result will be will be an OS that appeals to the vast majority of people....hopefully that is.
Apple forums seem to be the only place this is true. Overwhelmingly in the real world with non-tech-savvy friends and acquaintances, they either don't care about iOS 7 changes or they like them. User polls on general audience sites showed favoritism toward iOS 7. I've rarely heard anybody complain about the design language changes except on here and the apple subreddit.
If that "fact" were true, and Apple were aware of it, don't you think iOS 8 might look different? But no, it's identical to iOS 7. iPhone sales continue to be great. You can like iOS 6 all you want but you're doing no one any favors by trying to spread the idea that Apple's in trouble for having changed their design language.
Let me save you the wait.
- Yosemite will launch on the App store (free) in the fall alongside iOS 8
- The majority of the tech press will laud the design and features, especially Continuity/Handoff
- Yosemite will be the fastest adopted release of OS X ever
- Like iOS 7, the over-critical tech geek population will cry endlessly about design direction and Apple's apparent failure to innovate while mainstream consumers upgrade and don't think twice about it
- Somewhere on a forum near you, some guy will be whining and claiming that they're staying on Snow Leopard because Apple is "doomed"
Seems about right. There's already a thread in the Mavericks forum about how somebody will never update their Mac after Yosemite comes out because it's the "worst thing to happen to Apple since iOS 7".
This is exactly the problem. Helvetica Neue looks awful at small sizes, it has that jagged Windows look. It looks fine at larger sizes or in bold. If Apple doesn't correct this for non-retina displays I will hold off on upgrading for as long as possible because the fonts on Mavericks look 10x better.
What you need is to file a report to Apple. I'll do the same. I filed about 6 of them yesterday, not answered yet (I'll leave them some time to review them).
I'll file one regarding the fonts, and I'll tell them how Dark Mode should use dark gray and light gray instead of black and white.
About the Finder behaviour though, that it opens new windows instead of tabs, they marked my bug report as a duplicate of another one. I see I'm not the only one in this
The road ahead
perfection is beyond minimal. what I'm trying to say is..
year 2045 WWDC:
curtain opens
Presenting OS XI
*shows nothing*
That's right! no UI, full automatic mind connectivity.
it does what you want before you think of it!
*huge mindf*ck, big applause*
curtain closes
perfection is beyond minimal. what I'm trying to say is..
year 2045 WWDC:
curtain opens
Presenting OS XI
*shows nothing*
That's right! no UI, full automatic mind connectivity.
it does what you want before you think of it!
*huge mindf*ck, big applause*
curtain closes
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