Yosemite looks terrible!

[maflynn]

I'm not running the beta, and I will most likely upgrade once its released but I will say I'm not liking the new look. Perhaps it will grow on me, but the icons look too cartoony.

Windows 8 is flat, but I think the look is a bit better. I do believe that flat is now popular amongst designers and so apple is following along with this design motif as well, I'm not against that, but I'm just not liking the implementation in 10.10

 

[TheRainKing]

FYI, CNET did a user rating of Ive's "greatly improved" iOS 7 and it got a 1.5 out 5 stars....all previous versions of iOS (from Jobs/Forstall) had ratings between 4.5 and 5. We obviously won't hear a bad word about Apple from anyone that stands to profit from advertising revenue but I'm afraid user rating tell the real story.

This reminds me of a post I made in response to an iOS 7 poll on MacRumors a few months ago.

"....lets not forget this is an Apple forum. It's full of Apple loyalists who will get behind anything Apple does because they want the company to be successful. I would love to see this type of poll done on a random forum not related to Apple. Something tells me the results will be quite different. In fact, of all the people I've spoken to in person about iOS 7, not one of them has liked it. Most are indifferent or they hate it."

I guess I was right.

 

[maflynn]

This reminds me of a post I made in response to an iOS 7 poll on MacRumors a few months ago.

"....lets not forget this is an Apple forum. It's full of Apple loyalists who will get behind anything Apple

I'd not go that far. True there are people that will fall lock step behind apple, but just look at all the threads about iOS7 and its UI, there are many, many people that don't like it.

Additionally, there's a fair amount of negativity here regarding Yosemite,

Go to the iPhone forum, and you'll see complaints about the iPhone 5c.

go to the Mac Pro forum and you'll see complaints about the new Mac Pro.

My point you can't just use the excuse that we're an apple fan site and so everyone is just going to love anything and everything from apple.

I consider myself an apple fan, yet, I do not like Yosemite's UI

 

[iBug2]

One thing I don't like about Yosemite UI is the new Folder icons. Other than those I'm ok with the changes.

 

[maflynn]

One thing I don't like about Yosemite UI is the new Folder icons. Other than those I'm ok with the changes.

The folder icon is ok, but I hate the Finder icon - they destroyed what was a great tie in to the past. Yeah I'm old school - I was rocking with the classic OS well before OS X was a gleam in Steve Job's eye.

The newer Finder looks goofy imo. The color, and bigger smile just doesn't cut it for me.

 

[smokesletsgo]

I love the new finder icon. Folder icons are horrible though. I think they will change them definitely. Also system preferences icon to me looks out of proportion, smaller than the other ones. Font needs a tweak also.

 

[Alphabetize]

I think the new UI of Yosemite looks fantastic! It's a fresh, new look of the OS... and it's really not all that different from previous versions. Realistically, they changed some icons, and added very subtle translucency effects. It still feels the exact same as before.

I actually would have liked it even more if they made it even more like iOS 7. More redesigned app icons (and neon ones too!) and I also wish the translucency was more Windows Aero-like.

 

[PsykX]

Sigh. OS 1 and 3.1 look NOTHING like 10.10 and W8. Stop this nonsense. It's completely different design.

You didn't read my last post... or did you...

They're sharing the same philosophy. Take OS 1 and 3.1, re-master it completely with the technologies available today that weren't available in that time, and yes, you'll find yourself having interfaces that all look alike including with Yosemite.

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This reminds me of a post I made in response to an iOS 7 poll on MacRumors a few months ago.

"....lets not forget this is an Apple forum. It's full of Apple loyalists who will get behind anything Apple does because they want the company to be successful. I would love to see this type of poll done on a random forum not related to Apple. Something tells me the results will be quite different. In fact, of all the people I've spoken to in person about iOS 7, not one of them has liked it. Most are indifferent or they hate it."

I guess I was right.

Yes you were. I consider myself an Apple fan and has defended Apple for a long, long time, even for decisions that everybody was against, and my friends would think I was a sheep to believe in everything they were doing. Now that they're reversing from skeuomorphism to flat and everybody calls that evolution, I feel like people here are getting the same vibe and thrill that I used to get before. But everything has always been flat in the past, and when Apple started mimicking objects and concepts from real life, it was called a revolution in designing. Now they've rolled back.

But since iOS 7, and quotes that made me cringe at the WWDC 2013 like "just take a look at this gorgeous new interface" and "this is by far the best Music App we've ever made" I have taken distances and I can openly say it sucks.

I can also openly admit that some decisions in Yosemite suck regarding the design specifically, because I'm cool with the rest. But like iOS 7, I'll leave it installed because the cool features do more good than that interface does harm. Good thing with Yosemite is I'll probably be able to revert my Dock back to a 3D Dock, and revert my icon set.

Same for Xcode 6, I noticed they just changed a bunch of icons in the App, and they suck. But I'll have to leave it installed if I want to work with Swift and Universal storyboards.

 

[KALLT]

Do you (or anyone) know which episode this was?
I love Star Trek.

Voyager season 3, episode 8: 'Future’s End’.

 

[SarcasticJoe]

I suppose it's like what my dead grandmother used to say: "Taste is like an someone's backside, there's always two halves to it" and seeng the polarized opinions going back and forth about the new look of OSX she was right...

Personally, I actually like it. I can't say I was ever much of a fan of the UI changes they made in 10.5 with the 3D dock and all the effects where the main purpose was to look fancy while showing that yes, Apple knows how to do 3D effects in what's still essentially a 2D interface. I can understand the use of bright colors can rub a lot of people the wrong way, but for those people there's dark mode.

As for the actual features I'm somewhat underwhelmed, I wanted them to update to an even more recent implementation of OpenGL, but most of what they focused on was iOS device integration when I don't even use iOS devices due to how much I hate the closed nature of it.

 

[bobbydaz]

Although it's interesting to hear folks feedback, this is all kind of pointless as design is one of those things that is a bit like taste, it's personal. Just because an individual doesn't like it doesn't mean it's bad design or looks terrible. You will probably find that people from a creative/design background will like Yosemite and OS7 more than most ordinary joes. Not to say that other opinions aren't valid but Apple can't design their UI/OS by committee. It has to be left in the hands of people that know what they are doing. They won't always get it right, but some of the negative feedback is a bit OTT.

As a designer myself I quite like Yosemite, it's not perfect but it's a step in the right direction.

 

[MartinAppleGuy]

Although it's interesting to hear folks feedback, this is all kind of pointless as design is one of those things that is a bit like taste, it's personal. Just because an individual doesn't like it doesn't mean it's bad design or looks terrible. You will probably find that people from a creative/design background will like Yosemite and OS7 more than most ordinary joes. Not to say that other opinions aren't valid but Apple can't design their UI/OS by committee. It has to be left in the hands of people that know what they are doing. They won't always get it right, but some of the negative feedback is a bit OTT.

As a designer myself I quite like Yosemite, it's not perfect but it's a step in the right direction.

I'm a graphic designer and I adore Yosemite and iOS 7. Really glad to see this new flavour of UI

 

[TechZeke]

I'm a graphic designer and I adore Yosemite and iOS 7. Really glad to see this new flavour of UI

I'm quoting you because I think your avatar is what the finder icon should look like.

The icons are really well done otherwise, I'm impressed that they made everything flatter while keep depth and still making it feel like OS X, and not just OS X - iOS 7 style.


The folder icons are beyond terrible. All they had to do was take the current folder shape and flatten it. Whoever designed the folder icons should be fired immediately.

 

[madsci954]

I'd not go that far. True there are people that will fall lock step behind apple, but just look at all the threads about iOS7 and its UI, there are many, many people that don't like it.

Additionally, there's a fair amount of negativity here regarding Yosemite,

Go to the iPhone forum, and you'll see complaints about the iPhone 5c.

go to the Mac Pro forum and you'll see complaints about the new Mac Pro.

My point you can't just use the excuse that we're an apple fan site and so everyone is just going to love anything and everything from apple.

I consider myself an apple fan, yet, I do not like Yosemite's UI

One thing I notice, not just with MR but any forum on any subject, is people are more vocal when there is something they do not like. When everything is rainbows and unicorns, people are quiet and content. But when they see something they don't like, it's "grab your pitchforks and torches, it's digital angry mob time" and become very vocal.

An example with the iPhone is the screen size. During the 3.5" days, I'd see lots of new topics asking for larger screens. Like a new topic every day. Now with the rumored 4.7" and 5.5" screens coming, I see a lot of new topics asking for the smaller screens sizes. Those who wanted the smaller screens back in the day were happy, but now those same people are upset about larger screens. Reverse holds true for those who want larger screens. In other word's, haters gonna haters.

Having said all that, I loved iOS 7's design when it was shown at WWDC 13, and wanted to install and test the betas. I didn't and waited til the fall for final release. And now I can't wait for Yosemite. If I had a spare HDD, I would have signed up for the beta program.

 

[MartinAppleGuy]

I'm quoting you because I think your avatar is what the finder icon should look like.

The icons are really well done otherwise, I'm impressed that they made everything flatter while keep depth and still making it feel like OS X, and not just OS X - iOS 7 style.


The folder icons are beyond terrible. All they had to do was take the current folder shape and flatten it. Whoever designed the folder icons should be fired immediately.

I agree. They would be better with darker blues (although I am not a fan of them darkening the blue highlights in DP2, I associate darker blues in an OS with Windows 95/98, where as the light ones they had in DP1 still kept the contrast light between them and the text on top high). Another design change that I completely hate is the new Mission Control. They should just go for the iOS 7 multitasking view idea, where the wallpaper stays where is it then there is a smaller, blurred box of that as a space. Rather than having both the background and foreground wallpapers blurred.

 

[bluespider]

in the beginning i thought i'd like the "new" flat design and though i have not yet used Yosemite to fully qualify my opinion; i can say it has not grown on me like i thought it would. I am relating my experience with Microsoft Office 2013/365's flat design and am finding it more and more uninspired. I think there is a huge difference between a minimalist experience and laziness. I have to wonder if they actually feel that by slimming down the GUI is to make the application more network friendly and have a smaller footprint and thus the move away from a full blown desktop centric end eye candy user experience. What ever the motivation, I would more prefer a minimalist "artistic" approach rather than a simplified bland unimagined approach.

 

[2984839]

You know, Carroll Shelby once said something to the effect of "If the car is good, the name won't matter. If the car isn't good, the name won't save it." I think the same is true of UIs. Even Windows 8 is starting to change some minds because the underlying OS is pretty good.


I still don't see the point of moving to a different OS because you don't like the icons. It's like moving to a different state because the curtains are ugly. But if you really don't like it to the point where you're ready to change operating systems, then any BSD or Linux system would be your best bet because you can customize everything.

 

[mryingster]

I'm sorry I'm calling BS. As a UI designer it's my job to make software visually pleasing and useable. Most of everything I've seen in Yosemite so far is a huge improvement compared to Mavericks and miles ahead of the desktop UI in Windows 8.1. I understand 2013 is over so forgive me for even muttering this word but skeuomorphism in UI, the polar opposite of minimal design, is not the inevitable future of UI. Removing the gradients and 3D effects from the "X - +" buttons isn't a step back; it's a stylistic change. I want you to go back to the 80's and give me UI elements that looked like Yosemite's window controls because you don't know what you're talking about.

You're not allowed to go into an art museum and say your 3 year old daughter could have made a better Pollock painting. I'm not gonna stand here and let you say that Apple's hundreds of engineers are idiots. Sorry dude.

Actually, you ARE allowed to go into an art museum and say that your 3 year old daughter could have made a better Pollock painting. It's called freedom of speech and freedom of thought. I don't care for Pollock's work, nor do I care for this flat design fetish.

That's the thing about design. It's not like Math. There are no absolute truths when it comes to design, just ideas about what is currently fashionable. We are all allowed to have opinions, and we shouldn't be forcing opinions on other people. I find the over-saturated colors, and overly-flat elements (leading to ambiguity of function) to be detrimental to the usefulness of the interface.

Overly skeumorphic elements drove me nuts too (Like the horrible calendar or address book apps in Lion...). I'd like them (Apple) to find something in the middle that makes design elements really clear, but doesn't overstimulate my retinas.

 

[adamfishercox]

Actually, you ARE allowed to go into an art museum and say that your 3 year old daughter could have made a better Pollock painting. It's called freedom of speech and freedom of thought.

Sure, but people are allowed to tell you you're an idiot for saying that. That's their freedom.

That's the thing about design. It's not like Math.

Design is not art. Design, like math, has rights and wrongs and art doesn't. Designers can be objective about design. Those who just think it's all about "how it looks" have trouble.

 

[GerritV]

Show me a UI that looks like Yosemite from 2002, please. Last I checked 2002 UI was bubbly 3D Aqua crap.

Here you go

 

[ACDIT]

i still don't see the point of moving to a different os because you don't like the icons. It's like moving to a different state because the curtains are ugly.

LOL! thanks for the laugh sir

 

[OldGuyTom]

I think the days of Apple being a good company are now over. I think Jobs had a real "feel" for what people wanted and that's now missing. What I think we have is one of the following situations, or a combination of both:

1. One or two egomaniacs (Ive, Cook) running the company with no regard for users.

2. Wall Street investors pushing change in the hopes it will lead to better sales.

I suspect it's item 1. It seems virtually anyone that disagrees with Ive, regardless of how long they've been with the company or how good their work was gets fired, and fired quickly. He may be a great hardware designer but there are waaaaaaaaay too many complaints about Yosemite to be ignored.

Wall Street could be demanding change in the hopes it will generate more sales. I've seen numerous instances where Wall Street "Geniuses" interjected themselves into a company's direction, led it right down the toilet, while managing to pay themselves bonuses the whole way.

In any case, I'm not impressed with what I'm seeing, either in terms of management or product design.

To the people claiming to be designers in this thread that say it's a good design, all I have to say is if half the people who see it hate it, who cares if the design is good. I would think the real test for a design would be how well accepted it is, and obviously this isn't well accepted.

 

[g35]

To the people claiming to be designers in this thread that say it's a good design, all I have to say is if half the people who see it hate it, who cares if the design is good. I would think the real test for a design would be how well accepted it is, and obviously this isn't well accepted.

How do you figure that half the people who see it hate it? You've got a 4-page thread on Macrumors. And of the first page of this thread, only 2 other people seemed to agree with you. You're grossly, vastly overestimating the number of people who hate the design of 10.10, even if you were using hyperbole. iOS 7's design is very well-liked overall. The same will be true of 10.10.

Apple needed to do something new. Since the iPad in 2010, they haven't launched any new products. iOS 7 was a significant change to the look of iOS. They're just bringing their two operating systems in line as Microsoft has done.

Is it so wrong to have "Wall Street investors pushing change in the hopes it will lead to better sales." How dare they!

 

[MartinAppleGuy]

How do you figure that half the people who see it hate it? You've got a 4-page thread on Macrumors. And of the first page of this thread, only 2 other people seemed to agree with you. You're grossly, vastly overestimating the number of people who hate the design of 10.10, even if you were using hyperbole. iOS 7's design is very well-liked overall. The same will be true of 10.10.

Apple needed to do something new. Since the iPad in 2010, they haven't launched any new products. iOS 7 was a significant change to the look of iOS. They're just bringing their two operating systems in line as Microsoft has done.

Is it so wrong to have "Wall Street investors pushing change in the hopes it will lead to better sales." How dare they!

The rMBP was kind of a game changer. I know what you mean though and with Eddy Cue saying that he did, I'm feeling this is the year that Apple change the game again.

 

[KALLT]

Here you go

It even has the separated navigation buttons. Good find