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2006/2007 Mac Pro (1,1/2,1) and OS X El Capitan

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lalami1990

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Aug 17, 2016
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rthpjm said:
I believe that you need more RAM.
10.7 is very old and would run in a small memory footprint. Yosemite and El Capitan are much newer, they will require higher minimum specs. I would suggest you look to buy a second 2Gb RAM card matched as best you can to your existing one. Install only the two 2GB cards.

If your budget can stretch, buy more 2Gb cards. You will benefit from it...
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I'm beginning to think this is the issue also. I've come across many others who were having the same issue as me and said that the kernel panics stopped once more RAM was installed. I have just purchased two of these RAM kits (16GB total) from eBay(link). I'm really hoping this would fix my problem :(
 
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jeffcalloway

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Sep 1, 2009
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Getting a "error occurred while extracting files from the package essentials.pkg" using v11 of the install package from post 1390 of this thread. Gets about 2 minutes and then the install crashes with the above error at the 22 minutes remaining mark every time. Created the install USB with no hiccups. Removed what I think is some bad memory. Had 24gb memory and removed 8 of it - had red light on memory card, always wondered why fan was running high 100% of the time.

ATI Radeon 1900 XT video card. I have a ATI Radeon HD5870 I can install if needed.

Also look s like it wiped out my normal startup Disk.

Any help appreciated
 
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lalami1990

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Aug 17, 2016
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jeffcalloway said:
Getting a "error occurred while extracting files from the package essentials.pkg" using v11 of the install package from post 1390 of this thread. Gets about 2 minutes and then the install crashes with the above error at the 22 minutes remaining mark every time. Created the install USB with no hiccups. Removed what I think is some bad memory. Had 24gb memory and removed 8 of it - had red light on memory card, always wondered why fan was running high 100% of the time.

ATI Radeon 1900 XT video card. I have a ATI Radeon HD5870 I can install if needed.

Also look s like it wiped out my normal startup Disk.

Any help appreciated
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I would boot into Lion and use a tool like Rember to test all of your RAM. It sounds to me like it's a RAM issue. Mine kept crashing also but then again I was only using 3GB of RAM. I would also change out your 1900XT for the HD5870 and perform an SMC/PRAM reset on the system after you have installed working RAM and your other GPU. It's strange because El-Capitan only requires 2GB to operate but I suspect that the 2006/2007 Mac Pros suffer with memory leaks hence needing 12GB> of RAM.
 
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lalami1990

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Aug 17, 2016
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Just purchased a refurbished server from eBay for £40 that comes with dual X5365 CPU's and 16GB of RAM that I will be harvesting from the server and installing in my Mac Pro tomorrow. :D
 
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lalami1990

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Aug 17, 2016
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hwojtek said:
Wow, but blimey, how do you find these £40 deals? Never seen an xserve for less than £200... :(
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This is what I purchased (link). I purchased it last night and collected it this morning. I swapped out the CPU's between the two computers and now I have dual X5365's running on my Mac Pro. Plus I have an extra 16GB of RAM and now my Mac Pro is running like a beast without any kernel panics so far :D I moved my old Mac Pro CPU's to the server I purchased from eBay and I plan on selling it to make back some of the money spent building my Mac Pro. Overall I'm really happy. I have a couple of PCIe M2 SSD's that I plan on installing in my Mac Pro using a PCIe adapter board. I've seen others do it with their 2006/2007 Mac Pros and they are achieving read/write speeds of over 14000Mbps!

Update: Slight issue with my Mac Pro. When I reboot the system it gets stuck on a reboot loop and won't POST (grey screen appear) until I physically shut the system down. Any ideas?
 
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lalami1990

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Aug 17, 2016
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hwojtek said:
Did you upgrade your firmware to 2,1?
Start with the usual stuff like SMC reset.
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Yeah, I first installed the new CPU's then performed the firmware upgrade to 2,1. I had to perform an SMC reset because the Mac was only detecting one CPU installed (known bug) but after the SMC reset, everything is running like a charm. The only issue I am having since upgrading to 2,1 is whenever I tell the system to restart, once the system powers down and tries to come back on, it would stay in an infinite reset loop and not POST at all unless I physically power the system down and back on again.
 
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jeffcalloway

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Sep 1, 2009
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lalami1990 said:
I would boot into Lion and use a tool like Rember to test all of your RAM. It sounds to me like it's a RAM issue. Mine kept crashing also but then again I was only using 3GB of RAM. I would also change out your 1900XT for the HD5870 and perform an SMC/PRAM reset on the system after you have installed working RAM and your other GPU. It's strange because El-Capitan only requires 2GB to operate but I suspect that the 2006/2007 Mac Pros suffer with memory leaks hence needing 12GB> of RAM.
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When I install the HD 5870 there is a loud continuous beep and the screen stays black - any ideas on that one? Thanks.
 
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lalami1990

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Aug 17, 2016
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jeffcalloway said:
When I install the HD 5870 there is a loud continuous beep and the screen stays black - any ideas on that one? Thanks.
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Sounds more like a RAM issue to me but I could be wrong. Usually beeping sounds from any Mac refers to faulty/disconnected RAM. Also, is there power running to your GPU?
 
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cdmawolf

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Feb 26, 2016
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lalami1990 said:
Yeah, I first installed the new CPU's then performed the firmware upgrade to 2,1. I had to perform an SMC reset because the Mac was only detecting one CPU installed (known bug) but after the SMC reset, everything is running like a charm. The only issue I am having since upgrading to 2,1 is whenever I tell the system to restart, once the system powers down and tries to come back on, it would stay in an infinite reset loop and not POST at all unless I physically power the system down and back on again.
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Mine started doing the same thing a few weeks ago. Are you talking about it going to boot and all it does is rev the fan every few seconds and the display goes into sleep? I just have not had time to troubleshoot.

P.S. SMC/PRAM resets do nothing
 
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lalami1990

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Aug 17, 2016
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cdmawolf said:
Mine started doing the same thing a few weeks ago. Are you talking about it going to boot and all it does is rev the fan every few seconds and the display goes into sleep? I just have not had time to troubleshoot.

P.S. SMC/PRAM resets do nothing
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That's exactly right. I hear the fans kicking in for a second along with the disk drives and it stays stuck on a loop until I power the system off fully from the front. I've tried resetting the SMC and PRAM and that has done nothing also. It's been happening ever since I updated my firmware from 1,1 to 2,1.
[doublepost=1471898939][/doublepost]So far my Mac Pro is running well. I have been using the 'Macs Fan Control' application to keep an eye on my CPU temperatures and there seems to be a 10C offset between the two CPU's every single time. At idle I'm getting 41C (CPU1) and 51C (CPU2). Are these figures normal? I'm not sure if it has something to do with how I applied the thermal paste to the CPU's. When I installed them. I cleaned off the existing thermal paste from the heatsinks and CPU's, and I put a pea sized dab of thermal paste on each CPU before placing the heatsink (I was told this was the best method). Does that all seem normal? I've attached an image showing an example of how I applied thermal paste to the two X5365's.
cpu-dab.jpg
 
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cdmawolf

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Feb 26, 2016
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lalami1990 said:
That's exactly right. I hear the fans kicking in for a second along with the disk drives and it stays stuck on a loop until I power the system off fully from the front. I've tried resetting the SMC and PRAM and that has done nothing also. It's been happening ever since I updated my firmware from 1,1 to 2,1.
[doublepost=1471898939][/doublepost]So far my Mac Pro is running well. I have been using the 'Macs Fan Control' application to keep an eye on my CPU temperatures and there seems to be a 10C offset between the two CPU's every single time. At idle I'm getting 41C (CPU1) and 51C (CPU2). Are these figures normal? I'm not sure if it has something to do with how I applied the thermal paste to the CPU's. When I installed them. I cleaned off the existing thermal paste from the heatsinks and CPU's, and I put a pea sized dab of thermal paste on each CPU before placing the heatsink (I was told this was the best method). Does that all seem normal? I've attached an image showing an example of how I applied thermal paste to the two X5365's.
cpu-dab.jpg
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The temp difference probably is the one cpu's heat flows across the other before being exhausted by the fan.
 
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lalami1990

macrumors newbie
Aug 17, 2016
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rthpjm said:
It is a long shot, but have you tried simply going into System Preferences, Startup Disk? Make sure your intended startup disk is selected, and applied.....
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Somehow I've managed to get it working. I unplugged the system for 30 minutes while I was tidying up. Plugged it back in and it was behaving all of a sudden and restarting normally. Not sure how it's worked but it's worked.
 
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Mjsais

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Feb 29, 2012
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I always wait a long time before doing one of these upgrades, in the believe that I will have an easier time by learning from the hard work of others. That approach work great will all previous OS X upgrades, but not with El Capitan. I created the pikify drive successfully, but it crashes before the installation begins. I then used a new iMac to create a 10.11 external HD. Tested it in the iMac, change the boot.fi files and tried to boot my MacPro. No success, it crashed will booting. As you can see in the attached picture, my mac pro is 1,1 version with and Apple brand 5770 graphics card. Yosemite runs great, but i still have hope that 10.11 can be installed. I want to thank all of you that have worked hard at keeping our systems current all these years (especially pike-alpha).


myMacPro.jpg
 
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rthpjm

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Mjsais said:
I created the pikify drive successfully, but it crashes before the installation begins.
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When using the pikify method, are you booting from the pikify drive? Does it boot, then enter the Installer?
Do you start the installation?

Referring to the video I attached at post 1390, where in the sequence do you experience the crash?
 
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