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2025 Formula One Season Thread

Why not just call the chosen 12 Lead Designers, 1 per team, each submits their deisgns, and each team can pick and choose what parts to copy... Or each car designer can only design for 1 team, and if they leave, they are banned from any association with any formula 1 team for 25 yrs. Designers are forced into retirement at age 50. Or after 10 seasons.

Maybe each driver in the team contributes 42% of their salary to the designer of the car, after all the driver cannot do anything without the designer's input..
 
JustinePaula said:
Why not just call the chosen 12 Lead Designers, 1 per team, each submits their deisgns, and each team can pick and choose what parts to copy... Or each car designer can only design for 1 team, and if they leave, they are banned from any association with any formula 1 team for 25 yrs. Designers are forced into retirement at age 50. Or after 10 seasons.

Maybe each driver in the team contributes 42% of their salary to the designer of the car, after all the driver cannot do anything without the designer's input..
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There are 12 teams in F1?
 
cyb3rdud3 said:
They are running as the original cars :) So all different from different times. I don't know whether the "circus" comes to the USA, but here they go all over Europe.

The lady in the photo above is Lorina McLaughlin - https://www.lorina-racing-f1-benetton.co.uk/meet-lorina

Masters Historic Racing is also a great event with some real legends - https://mastershistoricracing.com/race-series/masters-racing-legends



Naturally I'll go to Zandvoort, and Silverstone. But I'm trying to go to Hockenheim in Germany this year as well. Will be a nice little drive. https://mastershistoricracing.com/events-and-results/hockenheimring-2025
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wow

So you have to be pretty wealthy to own and race one.
 
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Launch Dates

WilliamsFebruary 14Silverstone
HaasFebruary 16Silverstone (filming day)
F1 75 Live launch event (All teams)February 18The O2
FerrariFebruary 19Fiorano
MercedesFebruary 24TBC
 
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The way Formula One rolls, you just never know. A wet Monaco, Monza, Canada have all provided levellers in the past with unlikely winners. Lets not forget Williams last win came at the hands of arguably one of the worst F1 drivers of the last 25 years. With the investment going into Williams and all the restructuring Vowles is implimenting, we just never know. One thing is for certain, it is not the same Williams it once was now its left the family, so the fondness I once had is long gone.
 
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The-Real-Deal82 said:
The way Formula One rolls, you just never know. A wet Monaco, Monza, Canada have all provided levellers in the past with unlikely winners. Lets not forget Williams last win came at the hands of arguably one of the worst F1 drivers of the last 25 years. With the investment going into Williams and all the restructuring Vowles is implimenting, we just never know. One thing is for certain, it is not the same Williams it once was now its left the family, so the fondness I once had is long gone.
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True enough...
 
I think on last years thread someone was claiming Brexit was driving F1 out of the UK.
Now I’m not here for a debate about Brexit but at the time I said that was absolute nonsense and that the F1 skills are predominantly based in and around the south of England and teams would always pay any minor tax premium to access those skills.
Well here we have a German/Swiss team now conceding the same.

www.espn.com.au

Sauber to open UK base as prep for Audi relaunch

In preparation for its relaunch as the Audi F1 team next year, Sauber will open a base in the United Kingdom in 2025.
www.espn.com.au www.espn.com.au

I believe Ferrari are the only side who doesn’t have some presence in that geographic area.
 
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Given how much "oil" money is now in sport globally, and in major series, LIV golf and F1, as examples, it seems almost a given that the Gulf region, UAE,Qatar, Saudi Arabia would gift free rent/tax free advantages for teams to be based out of that region, and for transport it makes sense with that region being the hub of many airlines... Will teams eventually end up in the Arab sector of the rock?
 
JustinePaula said:
Given how much "oil" money is now in sport globally, and in major series, LIV golf and F1, as examples, it seems almost a given that the Gulf region, UAE,Qatar, Saudi Arabia would gift free rent/tax free advantages for teams to be based out of that region, and for transport it makes sense with that region being the hub of many airlines... Will teams eventually end up in the Arab sector of the rock?
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The tax free advantages would be negated under the cost cap.
How do you convince thousands of specialists to upend their lives to move to nations with poor humans rights records?
 
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believe Ferrari are the only side who doesn’t have some presence in that geographic area.
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I think you are right. That ended when John Barnard departed the team and everything was repatriated back to Italy.

Now the team is a totally different beast to the one Barnard inherited. People don’t just change things because it’s the way it was always done. They are better disciplined and organised.
 
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The tax free advantages would be negated under the cost cap.
How do you convince thousands of specialists to upend their lives to move to nations with poor humans rights records?
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It’s not just that. Many of the F1 teams are on the road for what is a very long season these days. So in the off season, they would much rather be closer to family etc.
I think F1 teams will continue to be UK based for years to come.
 
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Apple fanboy said:
It’s not just that. Many of the F1 teams are on the road for what is a very long season these days. So in the off season, they would much rather be closer to family etc.
I think F1 teams will continue to be UK based for years to come.
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I mean those people probably could relocate to the Middle East it’s the other 1000 ‘normal’ people who probably wouldn’t be so keen.
 
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Apple fanboy said:
It’s not just that. Many of the F1 teams are on the road for what is a very long season these days. So in the off season, they would much rather be closer to family etc.
I think F1 teams will continue to be UK based for years to come.
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Exactly. People seem to forget thousands upon thousands of people work for these teams and the engineering resources around the Midlands and South East England, not to mention the talent coming out of Universities that specialise in these sectors (motorsport) is the best in Europe. The supply chain for parts also far exceeds the teams themselves with hundreds of smaller companies supplying tooling, gauges, moulding and many small parts. Not everybody is keen to live in the UAE, especially longterm.

I did work experience at Reynard in Brackley in 1996 whilst at school and the fact they were producing the tubs for the entire Indy Car grid at the time was interesting seeing as it is Middle England lol. Reynard long gone of course and now is replaced on site by a little team called Mercedes AMG Petronas :p
 
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lol F1 isn’t leaving the UK anytime soon. F1 is one of the few places where the frankly brilliant British engineering mind is still used. Drivers all live in Monaco anyway cause of the tax breaks and lifestyle, teams in the UK. I don’t get this obsession with the UAE especially as they lack Western values. Bad enough races are held in some of those places.
 
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The fact that it took Sauber/Audi (or whatever the timeline is for that change, warning flag #1) this long to establish a base in the UK is yet another sign of the poor management of their F1 effort.

Haas had Dallara build their chassis and Ferrari supply their drivetrains, yet one of the first things the team did was establish a UK base.

Andretti/Cadillac has done the same, before it was even granted a place on the grid.

To be successful in F1, it's very hard to ignore the brain trust and talent pool that resides in Motorsport Valley.

It's like the company that built an all-conquering sports car program (RIP) from scratch and ruled Le Mans for years and years took a look at that effort (in tandem with the rise of the marque as a whole), turned around and completely forget how to undertake a project that requires concerted effort to succeed.
 
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danny842003 said:
I think on last years thread someone was claiming Brexit was driving F1 out of the UK.
Now I’m not here for a debate about Brexit but at the time I said that was absolute nonsense and that the F1 skills are predominantly based in and around the south of England and teams would always pay any minor tax premium to access those skills.
Well here we have a German/Swiss team now conceding the same.

www.espn.com.au

Sauber to open UK base as prep for Audi relaunch

In preparation for its relaunch as the Audi F1 team next year, Sauber will open a base in the United Kingdom in 2025.
www.espn.com.au www.espn.com.au

I believe Ferrari are the only side who doesn’t have some presence in that geographic area.
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Brexit is often used as an excuse for bad management, sure there are changes, but everything can be overcome. We have homes both inside the UK and inside the EU, since last year my residency formally changed. It is just a change. Talent is still attracted to the UK for motorsport, and for many other things.
JustinePaula said:
Given how much "oil" money is now in sport globally, and in major series, LIV golf and F1, as examples, it seems almost a given that the Gulf region, UAE,Qatar, Saudi Arabia would gift free rent/tax free advantages for teams to be based out of that region, and for transport it makes sense with that region being the hub of many airlines... Will teams eventually end up in the Arab sector of the rock?
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Nope, social media influencers can post all they want about how great it is, most people just wouldn't want to live there. Having full teams to the scale of F1 with factory/home base support there. No, I can't see that happening. Actual living and working is very different than a splash the cash flex holiday.
 
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TheIntruder said:
The fact that it took Sauber/Audi (or whatever the timeline is for that change, warning flag #1) this long to establish a base in the UK is yet another sign of the poor management of their F1 effort.

Haas had Dallara build their chassis and Ferrari supply their drivetrains, yet one of the first things the team did was establish a UK base.

Andretti/Cadillac has done the same, before it was even granted a place on the grid.

To be successful in F1, it's very hard to ignore the brain trust and talent pool that resides in Motorsport Valley.

It's like the company that built an all-conquering sports car program (RIP) from scratch and ruled Le Mans for years and years took a look at that effort (in tandem with the rise of the marque as a whole), turned around and completely forget how to undertake a project that requires concerted effort to succeed.
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Sauber really did under perform in F1 considering the early promise and their Le Mans success. When they appeared in 1994 with Mercedes power, many thought Schumacher would be going to them with his history at Mercedes in sports cars, but Mercedes soon dumped them for McLaren. Sauber then spent years effectively being a second test team for Ferrari, a low point where Peter Sauber was threatened over the radio by Jean Todt about his future engine supply and ordered to hold up any Williams Schumacher was fighting with on track. They have sort of been mediocre for a long time. It's good to see their new project coming to the UK and hopefully becoming a competitive force in the sport in the future.
 
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TheIntruder said:
The fact that it took Sauber/Audi (or whatever the timeline is for that change, warning flag #1) this long to establish a base in the UK is yet another sign of the poor management of their F1 effort.
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I can't really pin too much blame on Audi, since they made the move less than a year of gaining control of the company.

As for Sauber, my guess is Peter could not afford to build an all new facility in the UK as much as a desire to stay in Switzerland with their existing staff (just as we say the UK staff would not want to move to the Gulf States, so perhaps the Swiss staff did not want to move to the UK).
 
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