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iPad Pro 29W Fast charging tests and 3rd party adapters

BeatCrazy said:
False, Apple MFi certifies chargers too. https://mfi.apple.com/MFiWeb/getAPS
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I'd be surprised if you went through the list and find a USB ac MFi charger. ;) I went through them all. I'm pretty sure you're going to see any ac charger in the list will have a lightning cable attached to it.
thadoggfather said:
In that case if this isn’t mfi I definitely wouldn’t do it. Could be ok but could also result in long term damage.

No matter how slim a chance that may be it’s not a chance I wanna take to save a little or speed up the charge process by a few minutes
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While I would definitely check the charger info before using it, the MFi certified cable is extremely important. Just for the sake of helping your paranoia lol, the 29w Apple charger isn't listed as MFi certified either. ;)
 
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I don't understand the obsession with MFi. This isn't an issue with MFi, but the USB-C PD specification. That's the whole point - Apple is trying to encourage a global standard for once, with the exception of the proprietary lightning connector - and anyway all the tests I've conducted are using Apple's own USB-C to lightning MFi cable, which to me is the more important point.

If both the device (iPad Pro) and the charger obey the USB-C PD specifications, then by definition there is no unnecessary risk in terms of power delivery. The circuitry on both sides will regulate the flow of power, and this has been amply demonstrated multiple times in this thread. That's the whole point of standards / specifications - MFi, incidentally, is one as well.
 
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masotime said:
I don't understand the obsession with MFi. This isn't an issue with MFi, but the USB-C PD specification. That's the whole point - Apple is trying to encourage a global standard for once, with the exception of the proprietary lightning connector - and anyway all the tests I've conducted are using Apple's own USB-C to lightning MFi cable, which to me is the more important point.

If both the device (iPad Pro) and the charger obey the USB-C PD specifications, then by definition there is no unnecessary risk in terms of power delivery. The circuitry on both sides will regulate the flow of power, and this has been amply demonstrated multiple times in this thread. That's the whole point of standards / specifications - MFi, incidentally, is one as well.
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Well said.
 
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iF34R said:
Just for the sake of helping your paranoia lol, the 29w Apple charger isn't listed as MFi certified either. ;)
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Wouldn't have to be. MFI is specific to third party a) for consumer transparency over safety of equipment b) for licensing $ I believe

That's an absurd thing to point out haha. Come on !
 
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thadoggfather said:
The cost savings don't seem worth goingnanker for 20

Just scored an apple genuine 29w from a good rating reseller for $28 on eBay. Ymmv

Am I missing something?
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Beware of the counterfeit items... Even though they can look identical to OEM products, the only 100% thing is to open them up and check internals ... I've seen so many bs Samsung bricks that looked completely identical to the legit ones but had some cheap crap inside. Apple is no different.
 
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For everyone,
MFI for customers stands out as "safety point" when you can buy the item and it won't damage your unit.
On the other side, manufacturers have to pay to be licensed by Apple.

Of course, that doesn't mean all non-MFI chargers\cables are junk. ... Actually, 80% of them are junk.

lol

In terms of USB-C --> Lightning, I believe there are NO MFI aftermarket solutions at the moment and all current cables on Amazon are not working. Even though description says that "Fast charging supported"
 
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xoma262 said:
MFI for customers stands out as "safety point" when you can buy the item and it won't damage your unit.
On the other side, manufacturers have to pay to be licensed by Apple.
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It's good that the MFi certification exists. Actually it would be nice if USB-C PD certification exists as well, but point is - if something works according to the USB-C PD specification, then MFi certification is superfluous. The whole point of USB-PD spec is to provide safe power regulation.

Of course, the flip side of the issue is whether or not the supposed charger properly follows the USB-C PD specification. Unfortunately, as investigations by both Nathan K and Benson Leung have pointed out, this is not guaranteed. As usual, buyer beware, but otherwise the purpose of this thread is just to inform that USB-C PD has evolved to a point where there seems to be broad compatibility across the new iPad Pros and USB-C PD chargers in general.

Frankly I'm just really glad USB-C is coming along nicely. With Apple forcing MacBooks and MacBook Pros to use USB-C only, third party manufacturers are incentivized to make more USB-C products. This can only be a good thing for the market in general.
 
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masotime said:
Frankly I'm just really glad USB-C is coming along nicely. With Apple forcing MacBooks and MacBook Pros to use USB-C only, third party manufacturers are incentivized to make more USB-C products. This can only be a good thing for the market in general.
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I only wish that someday Apple would leave Lightning as it did with 30-pin and switch over type-C ... but that probably won't happen.

The whole iPhone 7 situation (which I really don't like) demonstrated that Apple getting rid out of all "non-proprietary ports" in their units.
Lightning is proprietary Apple port and every company who uses it have to pay a fee.
On the other hand, 3.5mm jack, USB Type-A, and Type-C are non-proprietary inventions where Apple cannot make money on it.

Why Apple used type-C on MB's? Just because of the type-C PD capabilities. Even third revision of the thunderbolt took its shape. Which is really nice because it would stimulate the market to switch faster to type C devices.
 
thadoggfather said:
Wouldn't have to be. MFI is specific to third party a) for consumer transparency over safety of equipment b) for licensing $ I believe

That's an absurd thing to point out haha. Come on !
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I was being sarcastic lol, like a joke. Prolly should have put a tag in there.
BeatCrazy said:
Search part number F8J001. That's the Belkin 2.1A MFi-certified charger, no attached cable. Works great, I have it: http://www.belkin.com/us/F8J001/p/P-F8J001/
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Searching shows that its a charger with a bundled lightning cable. The charger itself doesn't show up as certified.
Swivel Home Charger (2.1A) w/1.2m Charge-Sync Cable
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iF34R said:
Searching shows that its a charger with a bundled lightning cable. The charger itself doesn't show up as certified.
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That particular p/n is indeed only for the charger, Belkin sells a different version/part number with an included (non-attached) cable, and somehow Apple has duplicated the descriptions. The charger retail packaging also displays the MFi logos.
 
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I have a
BeatCrazy said:
That particular p/n is indeed only for the charger, Belkin sells a different version/part number with an included (non-attached) cable, and somehow Apple has duplicated the descriptions. The charger retail packaging also displays the MFi logos.
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Any links to it? I can't find anything. I think we're getting a little away from the thread purpose. If you want, we can take it to PM so we don't derail it too much.
 
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Apologies, but I'm a tad confused after reading through the thread!

I have a Anker Powerport+5 USB-C which lives on my office desk and is used to charge my MacBook (from the USB-C port) and various other devices (iPhone, iPad, Kindle, etc.) connected to one of the USB-A ports.

The Apple adapter that came with the MacBook lives in my bag, and to be honest is rarely used.

Is the Anker product save to use, and do the concerns simply relate to the fast charging capability for the iPad Pros?

Thanks
 
Crazy Badger said:
Is the Anker product save to use, and do the concerns simply relate to the fast charging capability for the iPad Pros?
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I doubt if it's dangerous. It just had compatibility issues with the 1st generation 12.9" iPad Pro. Whether it remains incompatible with the 2nd gen 12.9" or the 10.5" is unknown - I think it went out of stock because of the Nintendo Switch craze, so I might try it again. It's a little expensive at $50 now though.

(When I say incompatible, I specifically mean charging at 29W. I think it works fine for normal charging - 12W - purposes)
 
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masotime said:
I doubt if it's dangerous. It just had compatibility issues with the 1st generation 12.9" iPad Pro. Whether it remains incompatible with the 2nd gen 12.9" or the 10.5" is unknown - I think it went out of stock because of the Nintendo Switch craze, so I might try it again. It's a little expensive at $50 now though.

(When I say incompatible, I specifically mean charging at 29W. I think it works fine for normal charging - 12W - purposes)
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That defeats the purpose tho if it doesn't fast charge

A lot of people already have standard 10/12w cubes laying around

Also fwiw charging Nintendo switch on 10w isn't too terrible, but I am looking forward to actually taking advantage of full charge speed on another wall outlet aside from when I use my nTB brick with switch
 
Crazy Badger said:
Apologies, but I'm a tad confused after reading through the thread!

I have a Anker Powerport+5 USB-C which lives on my office desk and is used to charge my MacBook (from the USB-C port) and various other devices (iPhone, iPad, Kindle, etc.) connected to one of the USB-A ports.

The Apple adapter that came with the MacBook lives in my bag, and to be honest is rarely used.

Is the Anker product save to use, and do the concerns simply relate to the fast charging capability for the iPad Pros?

Thanks
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I’ve the UK version of that charger and it doesn’t charge the 10.5 at 29w.
 
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Has anyone plugged the Apple 29W into an updated TwelveSouth PlugBug World? Any known issues? I will be traveling in a few weeks and may pick a few up for our iPad Pros as it should fast charge Pros and an iPhone or Apple Watch at the same timne.
 
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do these tests show the same results for first gen ipad pro 12.9? Mainly the Anker and Aukey because ik the apple one works. sorry if this has already been answered
 
xoma262 said:
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lol

In terms of USB-C --> Lightning, I believe there are NO MFI aftermarket solutions at the moment and all current cables on Amazon are not working. Even though description says that "Fast charging supported"
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This is correct. Currently, only the genuine Apple USB-C to Lightning cables (1m & 2m) enable 29w fast charging of the three iPads Pro capable of being fast charged (1G 12.9", 2G 12.9" & 10.5"). Only those cables are able to negotiate the necessary 2A x 14.5V (29w) charging, regardless of the charging "brick" being used.
 
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