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PerryM

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I am an old retired engineer with little computer knowledge!
I was a long time Martin Lo OC (MLOC) user on my 5,1. I had High Sierra on a SSD, and ‘progressed’ to adding Catalina on a NVMe and BigSur on an anther SSD. It all appeared to work. Then I decided to try Sonoma via OCLP, which I did by doing an Apple install over the Catalina.. It worked but I discovered the hard way that I had lost access to High Sierra and my PC RX 580 wouldn’t allow access to the Mac Option Boot. I am nervous about installing EnableGOP.
So I decided to go back to where I was with MLOC. Turned out to be quite a ride! I got the latest (0.98) MLOC resources, but the EFI editor won’t run (or will Clover). I put back an old (non metal) Mac supported GPU. Basically I have managed to get to a working MLOC by using Terminal commands. At some point I wiped the whole ‘Sonoma’ drive clean.
So my question is what is the easiest way to install Monterey on that drive?
 

h9826790

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I am an old retired engineer with little computer knowledge!
I was a long time Martin Lo OC (MLOC) user on my 5,1. I had High Sierra on a SSD, and ‘progressed’ to adding Catalina on a NVMe and BigSur on an anther SSD. It all appeared to work. Then I decided to try Sonoma via OCLP, which I did by doing an Apple install over the Catalina.. It worked but I discovered the hard way that I had lost access to High Sierra and my PC RX 580 wouldn’t allow access to the Mac Option Boot. I am nervous about installing EnableGOP.
So I decided to go back to where I was with MLOC. Turned out to be quite a ride! I got the latest (0.98) MLOC resources, but the EFI editor won’t run (or will Clover). I put back an old (non metal) Mac supported GPU. Basically I have managed to get to a working MLOC by using Terminal commands. At some point I wiped the whole ‘Sonoma’ drive clean.
So my question is what is the easiest way to install Monterey on that drive?
If you are running my package now. And able to boot Big Sur. Then you can turn on VMM and disable SMBIOS spoofing. And then boot to Big Sur and run the Monterey installer.

Inside the Monterey installer, it should allow you to select the target disk, then you can select the cleaned drive as the destination.

Then once the Monterey installation is completed, you can turn off VMM, and re-enable SMBIOS spoofing (to re-gain max CPU performance, and GPU HWAccel). And now, you should have a working HS, Big Sur, and Monterey.
 
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PerryM

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Oh Martin - if only it was that easy! When I returned to my RX 580 I had to do a PRAM reset. That lost my 'blessed' status on the OC EFI and also put SIP back on. So after groping about 'in the dark' of a 'Restore' Boot, I managed to get OC back. I performed the changes to the list (mounting the EFI in terminal, none of the EFI edit apps work, in Big Sur they say 'no permissions') then rebooted. When it came back I wanted to check that the list changes had stuck, but when I mount the EFI partition it is now empty! Anyways, I ran the Monterey installer and it appeared happy, but when I returned a long while later it had rebooted back to Big Sur. The NVMe is gone back to showing as an 'external disk' and although the Monterey System seems loaded, it won't run. Complains about an old EFI format.
I now cannot get the MLOC boot bicker back. Presumably MLOC is still working because I can boot to Big Sur via the System Startup Disk.
Is it possible that trying to change the Plist in Finder with a Terminal mounted EFI has caused the problem? I guess I need to find why your apps won't run in my Big Sur. The 'permissions' problem in Big Sur doesn't seem unusual. The apps simply show a 'will not run' message in HS. (Same for 'Clover'). Any suggestions to cure much appreciated.
 

h9826790

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Oh Martin - if only it was that easy! When I returned to my RX 580 I had to do a PRAM reset. That lost my 'blessed' status on the OC EFI and also put SIP back on. So after groping about 'in the dark' of a 'Restore' Boot, I managed to get OC back. I performed the changes to the list (mounting the EFI in terminal, none of the EFI edit apps work, in Big Sur they say 'no permissions') then rebooted. When it came back I wanted to check that the list changes had stuck, but when I mount the EFI partition it is now empty! Anyways, I ran the Monterey installer and it appeared happy, but when I returned a long while later it had rebooted back to Big Sur. The NVMe is gone back to showing as an 'external disk' and although the Monterey System seems loaded, it won't run. Complains about an old EFI format.
I now cannot get the MLOC boot bicker back. Presumably MLOC is still working because I can boot to Big Sur via the System Startup Disk.
Is it possible that trying to change the Plist in Finder with a Terminal mounted EFI has caused the problem? I guess I need to find why your apps won't run in my Big Sur. The 'permissions' problem in Big Sur doesn't seem unusual. The apps simply show a 'will not run' message in HS. (Same for 'Clover'). Any suggestions to cure much appreciated.
If very messy, I suggest you remove all drive, but only leave the HS drive in the cMP.

This should allow your cMP boot to desktop without any issue with just the RX580.

Then you can hold Command + R to boot to recovery (for RX580, there is a bug in the drive, please make sure there is only one monitor connected. Otherwise, all screens may stay black even the GPU is working).

And then you can disable SIP natively.

And now, you can install my OC package onto the cMP again.

Once you can see the boot picker working again, you can now re-install other drives back in. And continue Monterey installation etc.
 
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PerryM

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Thanks Martin. The MLOC EFI is with the Big Sur drive (SSD). I have removed all but one monitor from RX 580.
I need to get your EFI viewer and Bless scripts working. Any suggestion how to do that?
I should add that I had no issues with MLOC for many years, until I (foolishly) had my adventure with OCLP. I wonder if there is still some remnant of it somewhere. I need your viewer (or Clover) to work to have a good look.
 

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EFI viewer and Bless is from me. You get a conversation to discuss the details. Don't had reports yet, it's not working for someone.
 

RMprepress

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Why would I get a macOS update assistant window pop up while installing Monterey?
I am fairly experienced at the steps involved with Martins installers.
Using version 0.9.8.
The MacPro had already been running Mojave and Monterey via OC but the PCIe SSD kept having random crashes while running Monterey so in an effort to trouble shoot I have taken that PCIe SSD out and reinstalled Mojave on an OWC SSD in bay #1.
Now while attemtping to install Monterey i get this...
It was installing just fine and I walked away to com back to that?
 

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PerryM

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If very messy, I suggest you remove all drive, but only leave the HS drive in the cMP.

This should allow your cMP boot to desktop without any issue with just the RX580.

Then you can hold Command + R to boot to recovery (for RX580, there is a bug in the drive, please make sure there is only one monitor connected. Otherwise, all screens may stay black even the GPU is working).

And then you can disable SIP natively.

And now, you can install my OC package onto the cMP again.

Once you can see the boot picker working again, you can now re-install other drives back in. And continue Monterey installation etc.
With the Help of Macschrauber I managed to get back a working system to where I was before. I am trying to install Monterey on my DVMe drive from an installer running in BigSur. It gets to the first reboot, correctly selects the installer and continues in the ‘boot screen’ with the Apple logo and a progress bar. After a few minutes it reboots back to BigSur. The installer is an option in the OC Bootpicker but if selected it just repeats the last few minutes.
Anybody any experience or ideas?
 

LFO8

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So no more Martin Lo for Ventura and newer?
It appears so.. I am looking for a way to run Ventura so that I can run the latest version of Logic Pro, but not to keen on ‘root patching’ with OCLP.

Martin’s solution is easy to revert if something goes south. With OCLP I’m not sure..
 

basslik

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Well some are having success with Sonoma. I would use a different SSD, pop it in and run OCLP.

I plan I do the same. I currently on Monterey & PT2024.3
 

LFO8

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Well some are having success with Sonoma. I would use a different SSD, pop it in and run OCLP.

I plan I do the same. I currently on Monterey & PT2024.3
So the 'root patching' (whatever that entails) is specific to the harddrive then, not systemwide?
 

basslik

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Well I'm not the expert like the rest of these folks here.

I just did the OpenCore process and it works fine.

Mr. Macintosh's video works flawless. Bare in mind it will reboot I think at least 5 times thinking what the heck. But you'll know once you see the final % install.

Watch the video fisrt.
 
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freqrider

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What are the implications, if any for setting apfs_trim_timeout to '0'? Does this effectively turn trim off? I've heard this will degrade ssds, nvmes prematurely. Is there any truth to this? It does seem to boot much faster when set to zero.
 

h9826790

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What are the implications, if any for setting apfs_trim_timeout to '0'? Does this effectively turn trim off? I've heard this will degrade ssds, nvmes prematurely. Is there any truth to this? It does seem to boot much faster when set to zero.
Should only disable the manual TRIM process during boot, but not entirely disable TRIM in normal OS operation.

The reason to set apfs_trim_timeout to 0 is because of some SSD suffer from very very slow boot when this is enabled (e.g. each SSD can take a minute to TRIM during boot. If there are 5 SSD, then this process may cost 5min). Since this is more a house keeping process, but not that critical. Therefore, I set this to 0, which makes the package users have a more consistent user experience.

If the is no much difference on your cMP, and you prefer to turn it on, you can definitely do it.
 
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GregorPQ

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Because you know if there might be a way or there is no hope at all:

Is there a way to use an Intel SSD DC P4608 6.4TB
on the PCIe-bus of a Mac 5.1?
As there is no driver - where can I get a working driver for this SSD?

Thank you for your time!

Screenshot 2024-04-19 at 12.25.05.jpg
 

DEH

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Feb 3, 2021
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No, I used Martin Lo’s patch.
I also went to 12.7.4 from 12.7.2 using Martin's. It did take awhile, maybe ~3 hours and had several reboots but it worked, The system has been up and running since 3/23/24. I did have to upgrade a lot of software to make things happy.
 

jscipione

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I am nervous about installing EnableGOP.

Having recently done the enable gop SMC mod on each of my Mac Pros with success I can say that if it works, it is worth it. I now have boot screen on RX 580 and GTX 1070.

To perform the reflash I first stripped down to original GPU and a single hard drive in slot 1, installed 10.13 without open core on it, and read the rom file in. The 4,1 rom checked out (I already had that one cleaned up earlier) but the 5,1 SMC had some issues. A triple pram reset cleared them.

I then booted into dfu mode, flashed the rom and when I rebooted again I got grey boot screen without open core on unmodded RX 580!

I then put my open core drive back in and it boots to it fine as well showing a second boot screen.

I’m so thankful for whoever created the enablegop mod, I knew that if I waited long enough somebody would figure it out.

This is not a guide on how to perform enablegop, for that I leave it to Lance at MacSoundSolutions on YouTube -> One More Thing Ultimate Mac Pro 5,1 part 2 video which is where I heard about this mod.
 

avro707

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Anyone updated to 12.7.5 with Martin Lo’s latest?

Not me, it won't install on my dual CPU 5,1.

I've got 0.9.8 package going but it won't get past about 30% progress on the first MacOS installer part.

It's at 12.7.1 MacOS at the moment. Also getting multiple Forbidden symbols.

I can see in System Firmware Version I have 9144.0.9.8.0 - so that's definitely Martin's package loaded.

It also shows using the Macschrauber's tool as MartinLo 0.9.8.0 when mounting the ESP.

EDIT: Grumbling must be the answer, because it has installed now.
 
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h9826790

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Not me, it won't install on my dual CPU 5,1.

I've got 0.9.8 package going but it won't get past about 30% progress on the first MacOS installer part.

It's at 12.7.1 MacOS at the moment. Also getting multiple Forbidden symbols.

I can see in System Firmware Version I have 9144.0.9.8.0 - so that's definitely Martin's package loaded.

It also shows using the Macschrauber's tool as MartinLo 0.9.8.0 when mounting the ESP.

EDIT: Grumbling must be the answer, because it has installed now.
Turn off SMBIOS spoofing and turn on VMM for Monterey update.

It should only use VMM to update, but not SMBIOS spoofing. Therefore, just before you update, the system should show you 144.0.0.0.0.

And only turn SMBIOS back on (also VMM off) after Monterey update completed.
 
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