iPad Pro After releasing the new M1 iPads and WWDC Apple is a spineless and gutless company who can take us for a ride whenever they want.

[Artsketch]

I'm sure even those creative professionals would appreciate a much more direct competitor to Wacom. The 2021 iPad Pro has the hardware chops to deliver that to them today, but Apple has even limited the ability of the iPP to target that demographic...

There is no real competition in this size. Many professionals are working with large pen displays, apple doesn’t offer yet.

 

[Bug-Creator]

I’m not expecting stock macOS to run on a iPP. When it’s docked to a mouse/keyboard run the desktop macOS as we know it. When it’s undocked, fall back to the touch interface we know from iPadOS. All it needs is a on-the-fly switch, which is easy to do for Apple.

So when your in dock mode you install an app, remove the keyboard case and try to start that app -> "some error message" ..... Not gonna happen.

Or you use docked iPad with all the glory of macOS and everytime you try to install something that does not have an alternative touch based UI -> "sorry I can't let you do that, cos you might remove that keyboard later" ..... Yeah sure

Consistency is a must and it won't be compromised for the vocal minority.

 

[spiderman0616]

So when your in dock mode you install an app, remove the keyboard case and try to start that app -> "some error message" ..... Not gonna happen.

Or you use docked iPad with all the glory of macOS and everytime you try to install something that does not have an alternative touch based UI -> "sorry I can't let you do that, cos you might remove that keyboard later" ..... Yeah sure

Consistency is a must and it won't be compromised for the vocal minority.

You just said in 3 sentences what I was trying to say in a zillion paragraphs above. lol

But yeah--I agree. I hate to say people read too much into the iPad, but they do.

 

[GrumpyCoder]

Your line of thinking is weird tbh. If the M1 is the lowest SoC then what’s the highest? For one to be low there needs to be at least one other that is higher.

The one that’s gonna be in the MBP16 and iMac (not the 24”).

So when your in dock mode you install an app, remove the keyboard case and try to start that app -> "some error message" ..... Not gonna happen.

Totally crazy idea, if only Apple would allow something like a pop-up keyboard... oh wait. They could also offer to allow iPadOS apps to be controlled with a mouse... oh wait. But yeah, totally crazy, what would be next... running iOS apps in macOS? Oh... wait...

 

[Cattus Thraex]

Such a powerful machine like iPad Pro 2021 with M1 on-board is senseless as long as iPad OS remains at this stage: an improved iOS. I have just bought an Air 4th generation, also a quite powerful machine, it is indeed useful when reading ebooks and, as I see with my daughter, when drawing using ProCreate. It is also good for watching movies and some other simple things, somewhat more complicated if a physical keyboard is added. An iPad Air 4 or iPad Pro + keyboard = a lot more expensive than purchasing an MBA or even MBP outright. I do not understand why is Apple playing such a game, perhaps they have a hidden plan. Switching to Apple Silicon is a great achievement, Ok, but afterwards? Nothing?

 

[007p]

So when your in dock mode you install an app, remove the keyboard case and try to start that app -> "some error message" ..... Not gonna happen.

Or you use docked iPad with all the glory of macOS and everytime you try to install something that does not have an alternative touch based UI -> "sorry I can't let you do that, cos you might remove that keyboard later" ..... Yeah sure

Consistency is a must and it won't be compromised for the vocal minority.

Displaying some sort of message like you are implying would actually be an improvement in some areas ?

You make it sound like iOS / iPadOS doesn’t kill apps whenever it feels like it. That sure makes for a much better ‘consistent’ user experience ?

 

[Carlanga]

The one that’s gonna be in the MBP16 and iMac (not the 24”).


Totally crazy idea, if only Apple would allow something like a pop-up keyboard... oh wait. They could also offer to allow iPadOS apps to be controlled with a mouse... oh wait. But yeah, totally crazy, what would be next... running iOS apps in macOS? Oh... wait...

That doesn’t exist yet and can’t be bought. in that line of thinking the one that’s going to be in the 2022 mbp16 makes the 2020 mbp the lowest soc and not m1 since it will not be sold and whatever imaginary world I want to throw at the wall.

 

[GrumpyCoder]

That doesn’t exist yet and can’t be bought.

Of course it exists. Consumers can’t buy it yet though. The M1 is their entry level product, they never aimed high with it, they wanted to get the product out. They did so by putting it in the products at the bottom end when it comes to performance. If it were such a high end chip, why didn’t they put it in the MBP16, the 27” iMac or the Mac Pro? Because those Intel versions still have better performance. It’s also limited to 16GB, which makes it unsuitable for higher end desktops/laptops. Still many people won’t need more and are totally happy with entry level chips, such as the M1.

 

[Carlanga]

Of course it exists. Consumers can’t buy it yet though. The M1 is their entry level product, they never aimed high with it, they wanted to get the product out. They did so by putting it in the products at the bottom end when it comes to performance. If it were such a high end chip, why didn’t they put it in the MBP16, the 27” iMac or the Mac Pro? Because those Intel versions still have better performance. It’s also limited to 16GB, which makes it unsuitable for higher end desktops/laptops. Still many people won’t need more and are totally happy with entry level chips, such as the M1.

The M3 also exist in a warehouse test bench and the M6 in the head of an engineer….

 

[spiderman0616]

Of course it exists. Consumers can’t buy it yet though. The M1 is their entry level product, they never aimed high with it, they wanted to get the product out. They did so by putting it in the products at the bottom end when it comes to performance. If it were such a high end chip, why didn’t they put it in the MBP16, the 27” iMac or the Mac Pro? Because those Intel versions still have better performance. It’s also limited to 16GB, which makes it unsuitable for higher end desktops/laptops. Still many people won’t need more and are totally happy with entry level chips, such as the M1.

I agree. The big story here though is how freaking GOOD the M1 chip is for just entry level purposes. It outruns the most powerful PC I ever owned in my PC-gaming days, and it outruns my Intel 15" MBP from 2019. I don't see a difference in performance between my M1 and my iPhone 12 Pro Max, and I mean that as a compliment. I don't have my A12z iPad Pro to compare it to anymore, but I imagine it's the same performace there too.

In other words, even if the M1 is only ever going to be in entry level systems, it's crazy good, and WAY more powerful than most people need. At the very least, going forward we'll always know we have plenty of power no matter which device we choose, right?

 

[dranakin]

Consistency is a must and it won't be compromised for the vocal minority.

Consistency can remain by differentiating between the product lines: IPad Pro vs all other iPad models.

 

[Serban55]

M1 is the consumer SoC, and the Mx the pro-sumer SoC
The Mx will never come into the ipads or iphones...will remain for the mac
While M2 will come to the next macbook air, and probably the next ipad pro..the M series will be the 10W-15W SoC and the MX will be from 20W and up

 

[Bug-Creator]

Consistency can remain by differentiating between the product lines: IPad Pro vs all other iPad models.

So...
-iPadOS
-iPadProOS
-iPadAirOS
-iPadProOSButNotThoseFromLastYear

 

[kp98077]

you are all forgetting, it's still a pandemic, its harder to do anything! including developing better apple software and products.. just the facts...

 

[MrGimper]

Such a powerful machine like iPad Pro 2021 with M1 on-board is senseless as long as iPad OS remains at this stage: an improved iOS. I have just bought an Air 4th generation, also a quite powerful machine, it is indeed useful when reading ebooks and, as I see with my daughter, when drawing using ProCreate. It is also good for watching movies and some other simple things, somewhat more complicated if a physical keyboard is added. An iPad Air 4 or iPad Pro + keyboard = a lot more expensive than purchasing an MBA or even MBP outright. I do not understand why is Apple playing such a game, perhaps they have a hidden plan. Switching to Apple Silicon is a great achievement, Ok, but afterwards? Nothing?

The iPad has always been Apple Silicon, its not switched to it

 

[MrGimper]

Consistency can remain by differentiating between the product lines: IPad Pro vs all other iPad models.

They just have features only available on Pro models. It's nothing new, Multitasking level/usefulness was based on how much RAM machines had

 

[RavynArcadia]

Apple showed their true colours today, the M1 iPad was nothing more than a easy marketing cash grab.

They basically gave their customers the middle finger, never seen anything more lacklustre than iOS/iPadOS 15, all that hype about the M1 and extra ram was never going to benefit us in the end.

Love my apple products, but I won’t be upgrading as often as I have in the past, it’s time apple started earning our money, leave out new features and hardware that can easily be added to new products, you won’t be getting my money from now on.

Everyone true colours eventually come out, apple showed theirs today in a BIG way.

U mad bro? lol

 

[spiderman0616]

So...
-iPadOS
-iPadProOS
-iPadAirOS
-iPadProOSButNotThoseFromLastYear

I want so desperately for them to change it to padOS. I hate how iPadOS looks in the list with all the other ones. And I want CarPlay to be carOS instead.

 

[spiderman0616]

U mad bro? lol

It is a crazy amount of anger over a software update, right?

 

[bousozoku]

18 years ago, I watched people build fantasies about what Apple was going to introduce, and weeks later, I saw the same people almost insanely angry about what Apple actually introduced. Rinse and repeat, every year.

Apple is a business, not a philanthropy. They will do their best to make money.

Am I disappointed that they didn't have more to offer? I am. If things are closer to normal in 2022 and they don't do amazing things, I would be more disappointed. 2021 is just 2020, part 2. Things aren't anywhere near how they were in 2019. Everyone seems to be struggling.

 

[AutomaticApple]

Forgive us who thought they might bring a calculator app and weather app to iPad after ten years ,which millions would get use out of daily. But instead they ported over translate…….TRANSLATE!?!?

The point is that people are getting pissed at how apple is choosing to concentrate their energy in a way that doesn’t make a ton of sense.

Real-time tanslation isn't important? Seriously?

 

[Kanakashi]

I dunno, to me it seemed like iOS/iPadOS 15 were developed entirely during WFH so maybe they weren't able to work as effectively? Like iOS 14 was being worked on throughout 2019 and up til early 2020 so they had all the resources possible.. This year was meh in all aspects really, like look at tv/mac/wearOS lol

Maybe I'm just being too hopeful.. but I think iOS 16 (and everything else) will be when you start to see the biggg features worth talking about.

 

[NotTooLate]

Apple showed their true colours today, the M1 iPad was nothing more than a easy marketing cash grab.

They basically gave their customers the middle finger, never seen anything more lacklustre than iOS/iPadOS 15, all that hype about the M1 and extra ram was never going to benefit us in the end.

Love my apple products, but I won’t be upgrading as often as I have in the past, it’s time apple started earning our money, leave out new features and hardware that can easily be added to new products, you won’t be getting my money from now on.

Everyone true colours eventually come out, apple showed theirs today in a BIG way.

Who hyped the extra RAM ? they hyped the new SoC performance as they should , and you will be getting more capable SW down the line , you behave like the gaming crowd doing the pre order into "OMG i didnt know it wasnt what i wanted!!!" , what true colors are you talking about dude ? it looks like you are having a meltdown about expectations you had that werent met !

Next time to the logical thing and have a reason to upgrade , if its for fun or cuz you love cutting edge go for it or any other reasonable reason , but buying a device on a promise not made by the seller but by a rumor forum is ill advised.

Its widely agreed that current iPP HW is overpowered for the current SW, does this make it useless ? when someone runs league of legends at 144Mhz ultra with his RTX3090 , should he cry to Nvidia that they ripped him off because he couldve played the same game with the same setting with a 3060 ?

the 11' is the same price as previous generation with a vastly better SoC and greater future proof if you buy one today , the 12.9' was 100$ extra for the display.

I rather get an overpowered HW and have the SW catchup then buy an underpowered device where current SW doesnt work and hope they will rework the SW to match the **** HW (i.e Switch).

For some reason you believe that SW and HW are in some sort of lockstep progression timeline , where its obvious that sometimes one will be in front of the other.

TLDR - improve your purchasing habits if this makes you so distressed.

 

[Phone Junky]

 

[usagora]

Apple could have announced that it would be software only if they had any decency. No big deal if they made one small announcement so that Youtubers / customers and leakers could focus elsewhere. That would be the decent thing to do.