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Bubble99

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When people don’t understand profit margins..going M1 for their ipad pro is far better option than building another different SoC
Nobody should buy a product in future believing that next software update will bring what you want
Next time buy after you see what you want. Apple didn’t promise anything
At least ipados15 is starting good with swift making apps and now limiting the Ram to 12gb instead of 5/app
Not sure what you mean if you are not a pro user than 4GB of RAM is more than enough for a iPhone and iPad. And 8GB of RAM is more than enough for Mac or windows computer.
 
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LFC2020

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At time being it is going to take well very long time before most apps use 16 GB RAM and the power of the M1.

I don’t think programmers will spend money programming software to use 16 GB RAM that less than 4% of people of iPad market shares have. No profit in that.

Where as 90% iPad market shares use 3 GB of RAM or less today.
Then why release a 16gb ram iPad? Only reason I can think of is to suck people into buying it, while apple deep down knows they’ll never release anything that will take advantage of all that ram.
 

LogicalApex

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My Mac will always be my first choice, but there are times when an iPad would be more convenient and portable. I would actually prefer to use my iPad when I'm traveling instead of a Mac. The weight and form factor are ideal for work on the go. I'm not expecting a full blown Mac with a touch screen, but I would like it to be more capable even if it wasn't as fast. I suppose what I want is a strong secondary device that can hold me over until I need the Mac to put on the finishing touch.
This describes where I want the future of the iPad to go I think…

I don’t need it to replace my Mac or even my Windows Desktop. They have an unlimited power aspect to them that would be impossible to replicate. I also don’t want my iPad to feel like my phone with some extra parlor tricks in store (like notes with the pencil). I am hoping to see it show us the future of computing…

To fill that mythical gap between Phone and PC/Mac in a unique and powerful way. Such that you feel you can start or continue work on it and really flex once you sit back down at your desk.

Not about killing the Mac, but about giving it super powers…
 
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Bubble99

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I would have agreed with this if Apple didn’t add iPadOS apps to M1 macs. Apps designed for Touch first and a mobile like platform.

Lack of touch isn’t a factor here.

Apple’s vision for the future of the iPad is. We’re still hoping they reveal what that vision is. iPadOS has been around since 2019 and it still looks pretty much like an afterthought of iOS for them. It has a few unique features, but they feel more like parlor tricks than unique features that define the platform.

Even one the biggest new feature. Widgets and App Library are largely what was missed last year while it was shipped for iOS.

I think the clearest way I can explain it. I wonder if Apple is running into a problem where they lack the bandwidth to cover all of the product lines they’re creating…

We shall see what the future brings.

The only way that will change is if next year when the iPad pro get say a M2 and the iPad Air get M1 and in three years or so the base model get M1 than programmers would see the market share and program for it.
 

Bubble99

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Then why release a 16gb ram iPad? Only reason I can think of is to suck people into buying it, while apple deep down knows they’ll never release anything that will take advantage of all that ram.

Apple is hoping AAA games and pro apps would make its way to app store.

But not sure there is much incentive for programmers unless the game and software cost over $100.
 
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raqball

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Then why release a 16gb ram iPad? Only reason I can think of is to suck people into buying it, while apple deep down knows they’ll never release anything that will take advantage of all that ram.
I doubt many people bought the 16GB version as not many would ever need that much RAM on an iPad. For those who did and were expecting something to come at WWDC that didn't, well, they can return it or cancel their order..

Unless you have a crystal ball you don't know what the future holds for iPad's. Maybe end of year or early next year they'll announce Pro apps that will make better use of it..
 

muzzy996

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Not sure what others expected but I certainly didn’t expect much in the way of iOS changes that would have lead to dropping of support of recent iPad models. The path ahead is larger available RAM and storage, but we shouldn’t expect immediate abandonment of existing hardware. The additional hardware headroom is now there on the pro models and eventually will trickle down to the base models. As time goes on developers will make use of the headroom and the platform overall will continue to evolve accordingly.
 
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Bubble99

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I doubt many people bought the 16GB version as not many would ever need that much RAM on an iPad. For those who did and were expecting something to come at WWDC that didn't, well, they can return it or cancel their order..

Unless you have a crystal ball you don't know what the future holds for iPad's. Maybe end of year or early next year they'll announce Pro apps that will make better use of it..
It would be good if Apple would make an app like photoshop and give photoshop some competition.

Well Gimp is better than nothing but not as good as photoshop.

Make it for the iPad pro and Mac.
 

mmomega

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Apple showed their true colours today, the M1 iPad was nothing more than a easy marketing cash grab.

They basically gave their customers the middle finger, never seen anything more lacklustre than iOS/iPadOS 15, all that hype about the M1 and extra ram was never going to benefit us in the end.

Love my apple products, but I won’t be upgrading as often as I have in the past, it’s time apple started earning our money, leave out new features and hardware that can easily be added to new products, you won’t be getting my money from now on.

Everyone true colours eventually come out, apple showed theirs today in a BIG way.
I would say, as the old saying goes.... No $h17 Sherlock.
Not to the emotional level that you appear to be but that business does not have emotional ties to you, or me, or any person on the planet.
Their sole purpose is to exist, create a thing, whatever that thing is and then sell the thing so that they continue to exist. And they are fulfilling their purpose.

It's difficult to get upset with a thing fulfilling it's purposes because you thought it should be something else......... the machine doesn't have feelings.

So when purchasing a thing from a business, you think to yourself, do I need or want this thing? Yes or no?
No?...then move on.
Yes?..then am I willing to give up the money I worked 300 hours for? No? Move on.....Yes? Buy it.
 
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mdhaus72

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Apple showed their true colours today, the M1 iPad was nothing more than a easy marketing cash grab.

They basically gave their customers the middle finger, never seen anything more lacklustre than iOS/iPadOS 15, all that hype about the M1 and extra ram was never going to benefit us in the end.

Love my apple products, but I won’t be upgrading as often as I have in the past, it’s time apple started earning our money, leave out new features and hardware that can easily be added to new products, you won’t be getting my money from now on.

Everyone true colours eventually come out, apple showed theirs today in a BIG way.
So just because the first follow-up software update didn't have the pizzazz that you wanted, it means that the entire M1 iPad is worthless? LOL....Impatient children these days....
 
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mdhaus72

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the M1 chip and extra ram was only introduced for easy sales, nothing more, nothing less, stop defending them.
...And how do we know this when the machines have literally only been in circulation for a few weeks so far? Are they suddenly not able to get software and feature updates in the coming months and years?
 

Lategamer

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May 12, 2021
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Everyone true colours eventually come out, apple showed theirs today in a BIG way.

I don't think they've ever hidden their colours?

I wanted multitasking improvements. I got them. With drag and drop support. Cool.
I wanted App Library. I got it.

I liked Universal Control, not that I'll use it much but it shows where they see iPad. Remains to be seen if there are new external display options.

I got a heap of stuff I don't care about. That's pretty normal.

I will use the "watch party" stuff. At the moment I have to literally manually count down (like a savage) when watching stuff with my SO. Hopefully Netflix and others will start to build that in. But it won't be usable until the public release. I do this every day (we don't live in the same country).

I was incredibly impressed with the new Swift Playgrounds update. Building apps natively on iPad (I'm guessing it actually uses xCode Cloud) is really really maturing the platform. Not maybe enough to get me coding again (I'm much too stupid to learn to code) but I have a teenager who needs a hobby.

As its the start of the week and the keynote is only a couple of hours, it remains to be seen what changes happen under the hood to allow developers to do great things.
 

RevTEG

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Apple showed their true colours today, the M1 iPad was nothing more than a easy marketing cash grab.

They basically gave their customers the middle finger, never seen anything more lacklustre than iOS/iPadOS 15, all that hype about the M1 and extra ram was never going to benefit us in the end.

Love my apple products, but I won’t be upgrading as often as I have in the past, it’s time apple started earning our money, leave out new features and hardware that can easily be added to new products, you won’t be getting my money from now on.

Everyone true colours eventually come out, apple showed theirs today in a BIG way.
Time for Apple to earn our money? The whole world doesn’t upgrade their devices on the same schedule. Theirs probably millions of people on older iPads that will buy 2021 iPad Pro. Yes, I was also underwhelmed with PadOS 15, but Apple will sell millions of devices simply because of upgrade cycles. I went from a 2015 12.9 on launch day, to a 2018 12.9 on launch day. Now I’m at the 2021 12.9. It’s just part of the upgrade cycle. Apple earned my money… many others too.
 

ParagJain

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no basis for the below observation...just my thoughts

An average user (like me) will keep their macbook for 5-6 or 7 years..
Compare to that, an average user will keep their ipad for 2-3 or max 4 years.

Now if they allow ipad pro to support features like external monitor support or better multi-tasking then a lot of users will actually move away from macbook air, lowest config versions of macbook pro to ipad pro.

and that is a big loss to them not only for $$ but, also to keep the market share increasing year over year.

Of-course few with lot of money and few who are very much in app or digital media work, they need to upgrade frequently, so perhaps that is justified.
 

Lategamer

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Then why release a 16gb ram iPad? Only reason I can think of is to suck people into buying it, while apple deep down knows they’ll never release anything that will take advantage of all that ram.
The iPadOS 15 multitasking model needs more RAM to be effective.

It's not just about more RAM per app, but the number of apps that can be stored in memory without having to be restarted. Those two limits are a benefit to the consumer and a motivation to developers to not get greedy with RAM demands.
 

Collywobbles

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Apple showed their true colours today, the M1 iPad was nothing more than a easy marketing cash grab.

They basically gave their customers the middle finger, never seen anything more lacklustre than iOS/iPadOS 15, all that hype about the M1 and extra ram was never going to benefit us in the end.

Love my apple products, but I won’t be upgrading as often as I have in the past, it’s time apple started earning our money, leave out new features and hardware that can easily be added to new products, you won’t be getting my money from now on.

Everyone true colours eventually come out, apple showed theirs today in a BIG way.
I think they're in a difficult transition at the moment. The outgoing incumbents whose processors are lacking are still on the shelves with plenty of people still running those processors and with an M2 on the way. Legacy owners have about another 4 years before they will be finally set adrift and even then those machines will be good to run for years after. Taking advantage of that new tech too quickly will inadvertently ostracise existing customers early and that isn't Apple's way.
You find the biggest innovations are the quiet ones and not necessarily bound to the device. Universal control is and Private Relay on ICloud+ will likely affect how people use their macs on a daily basis, but they're not in your face. Hearing enhancing with Air Pods Pro; I could have done with that years ago (too many rock concerts as a kid). There are loads of little things that will amount to a lot.

And the M1 iPad isn't just about the processor, it was about the screen too. So it's not all bad...
 

shootertwist14

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I bought my ipad pro 12.9 2021 mainly for the screen, the software updates and other enhancements brought by ipadOS15 are just icing on the cake :) once they introduce the updated screen to their ipad pro 11 next year will surely jump on that one as i am still using the 2018 version, Would have upgraded it too this year but the screen for the 11-inch was not updated so will wait for next year. Different strokes for different folks. In my case my work involves a lot of typing and on the go so the ipad pros are more than enough for me… my macbook air M1 (company issued) hardly gets usage time from me.
i understand others are more power users though and were wishing the ipad pro could be more capable, hence the disappointment. Apple will never merge the two as they earn from macbook, pro, etc for power users and earn from ipads for those light users, so its a win-win for them in both categories. Maybe after several years when market demand changes, like how the iphone/ipod touch cannibalized the ipod classic that apple just stopped manufacturing the iPod classic altogether
 

Edric_1337

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Nov 18, 2018
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My PoV: Apple will never make iPadOS special on iPP. I also bought the new iPad and upgraded my iPadPro 2018. Will I return? No? Would I have hoped for more pro apps? Don't think this will ever happen ONLY for the iPP. Was I disappointed with the iPad OS features? Yes... that more like a "now iPad OS is even with last years iOS".
 
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