iPad Pro After releasing the new M1 iPads and WWDC Apple is a spineless and gutless company who can take us for a ride whenever they want.

[cardfan]

I'm saying Apple making Dex like think like Android has would hurt market shares.

Apple knows pro users and computer geeks are using iPad pro and Mac and are buying both. So is more profit.

Nope not true either. People buying more iPads is more profit. Whatever it takes to get them to use App Store on iPad is gold to apple. Sure some would use macOS a bit but they’d use iPadOS as well.

Not only this but people would tend to buy higher end iPads as well. Who cares if they sell a few less MacBooks. Apple would rather sell an iPad over a Mac any day of the week.

 

[svish]

No use of M1 in the new iPad Pro. The current OS cannot make full use of it. Also 8GB/16GB is not being fully utilized.

No point in upgrading to 2021 Pro if you have a 2018 or 2020 iPad Pro.

 

[leebroath]

No use of M1 in the new iPad Pro. The current OS cannot make full use of it. Also 8GB/16GB is not being fully utilized.

No point in upgrading to 2021 Pro if you have a 2018 or 2020 iPad Pro.

Unless of course you want to watch Movies in HDR, it does a great job of the clarity...

But apart from that... I'm sticking with 2018

 

[iamyash]

@LFC2020 You and I disagree on your OP and that is ok. I think you will see a little differently in a few days. I just want to say that I respect you for standing in the fire after being wrong, instead of disappearing like many did today. Don't think I didn't notice (other member names here). We all make mistakes. The good thing is you didn't make a life altering mistake. This isn't even a bump in the road. Your a good guy don't let this sour you. It's a hard lesson learned about buying for the future,

Guys,
Don't beat the OP up. He meant no harm on the forums the last several days.

Well said its not the end of the world, and @LFC2020 does have the option of selling their item as it does not meet their needs. Lesson learned!

 

[Bug-Creator]

The 8/16GB are in there not for today, they are there for iPadOS18(or whatever) when they do allow for "big apps" on the iPad and need a cutoff point.

Or they are there because thats the only RAM chips they have that are compatible for inclusion in the M1 package and there was never a point to make a iPP specific A14x.

Speaking of which, do you thing an 5GB A14x iPP with otherwise all the same features as the M1 one we got would have been any cheaper? I don't, so all you got is some "free" extra RAM that hurts noone.

On the other hand it does seem that the enhanced Swift playground is some kind of XCode light which was one of the big apps that people where so hot about coming to the iPad. And yes doing it this way makes 100% sense as it allows non Pro and older Pro iPads to be used for Mac free app development.

 

[ian87w]

Sure, iPad OS is useless because xyz.
Let's ignore the fact that you can now create apps directly on the iPad now with Swift Playground. Yup, let's ignore that.

 

[LFC2020]

Well said its not the end of the world, and @LFC2020 does have the option of selling their item as it does not meet their needs. Lesson learned!

Who said anything about selling 🤔 no way this bad boy mini led beast is going back, I went with the 8gb ram model, feel sorry for the people who went with the 16gb ram model, hopefully they can get a refund.

The whole event was very underwhelming and lazy from apple, they screwed over a lot of people today.

 

[Mackan]

Apple's goal is to differentiate their products to maximize profits. As an excuse, they constantly talk about each device offering the best experience for what the device is meant for. In reality, their primary goal is to make you own most of the devices in their ecosystem. An iPad could be a real "computer", with functionality to replace a MacBook, if they add needed features to the iPadOS. But Apple wants you to own both an iPad and MacBook/Mac mini/etc.

 

[LFC2020]

double post

 

[iamyash]

Who said anything about selling 🤔 no way this bad boy mini led beast is going back, I went with the 8gb ram model, feel sorry for the people who went with the 16gb ram model, hopefully they can get a refund.

The whole event was very underwhelming and lazy from apple, they screwed over a lot of people today.

I was glad with the keynote, I got the improvements I wanted and absolutely happy to see the new ML detection features in Camera and Photos. But, I do see pro apps coming to iPad very soon maybe next WWDC with M2 iPad Pro chips and supporting M1 iPad Pro.

 

[LFC2020]

Apple's goal is to differentiate their products to maximize profits. As an excuse, they constantly talk about each device offering the best experience for what the device is meant for. In reality, their primary goal is to make you own most of the devices in their ecosystem. An iPad could be a real "computer", with functionality to replace a MacBook, if they add needed features to the iPadOS. But Apple wants you to own both an iPad and MacBook/Mac mini/etc.

Spot on.

 

[LFC2020]

I was glad with the keynote, I got the improvements I wanted and absolutely happy to see the new ML detection features in Camera and Photos. But, I do see pro apps coming to iPad very soon maybe next WWDC with M2 iPad Pro chips and supporting M1 iPad Pro.

At least you’re happy 😁 I got up at 3am to watch it and wasn’t in a good mood after it 🤦‍♂️😂

 

[The Game 161]

Stop watching Youtube and reading Twitter. The "Leakers" are just after hits.

But no leaker said these pro apps were coming. Nobody said this was likely just what people had hoped.

 

[Cookie18]

It's another of the iPad Pro being woefully underutilised. I have an iPad Pro and I don't use it for anything that a regular iPad can't do. It really just needs a few key things to unleash it. It's completely crazy that Apple kneecap these devices.

 

[Digitalguy]

As I said in another thread, in these long threads I spot 3 main categories of people:

- the dreamers, those that wanted MacOS on iPad or at least a much more desktop like OS (given the desktop like hardware) and are extremely disappointed and find this unacceptable
- the naïve Apple lovers (ok let's avoid the word sheep...), who justify whatever Apple do and consider that Apple always acts in the interest of their customers (so give them time, pro features and apps are coming, and if not, it's because it's better to the customers....)
- the realistic (and a bit cynical) people, who understand that profits comes before anything for Apple, and Apple would not cannibalize their Macs when so many clients are buying both Macs and iPads pro... and that's why they chose maximum integration over convergence

I guess that while Apple managed to underwhelm even the 3rd category at WWDC, at least they didn't have high expectations about iPadOS and don't read into "pro" professional, but premium (regardless of the hardware)

PS It doesn't mean that the dreamers do not understand Apple's strategy, I think some do, probably most of them after WWDC, but they still find it unacceptable and feel the urge to express how disappointed they are...

 

[GrumpyCoder]

The macOS is not designed for touch interface.

I’m not expecting stock macOS to run on a iPP. When it’s docked to a mouse/keyboard run the desktop macOS as we know it. When it’s undocked, fall back to the touch interface we know from iPadOS. All it needs is a on-the-fly switch, which is easy to do for Apple.

Nope, the lowest entry level chips are the Ax chips atm. The M1 is currently the highest level low power SoC from apple.

Please read again, I said for every device. Ax chips are iPhone and iPad only, you won’t find them in laptops and desktops. The lowest end M1 SoC is the M1, there won’t be anything below and it’s suitable for MBP, MBA, iMac and Mac Mini as well as iPhone and iPad. So why bother to design a new high end Ax SoC for the iPP, when you can use the M1 from the laptop/desktop range? The M1 will remain at the bottom end for laptops/desktops.

 

[haruhiko]

I’m not expecting stock macOS to run on a iPP. When it’s docked to a mouse/keyboard run the desktop macOS as we know it. When it’s undocked, fall back to the touch interface we know from iPadOS. All it needs is a on-the-fly switch, which is easy to do for Apple.

Your hope is unrealistic. Check out what is Windows 8 and how it failed.

 

[James Godfrey]

Remember M1 was basically a rebranded A14X… simple marketing at its finest. MacOS also ran on the A12Z chip, so nothing different than what was already on the market.

Yes it was a bit snide for Apple to actually list RAM for these iPP’s even though apps are still limited to 5GB each, obviously this is to make multitasking more efficient on the higher end models.

But at the end of the day, an iPad is just that, an iPad, a device used as an extension of the Apple ecosystem which is great for particular work flows, some people can get by on it as a complete laptop replacement, but some people simply can’t.

Apple have always said they have never had a goal of merging iPad and Mac… and guess what, they probably never will at least not for a long time, much like Apple will highly unlikely ever bring a touch screen to the Mac.

I think many YouTubers influencers etc… all jumped on the M1 hype train and got everyone believing the M1 iPad Pro was just half of the story with WWDC being the main event of it, but unfortunately that never happened.

Will iPad become more capable over the coming years? of course it will, will we have a major iPadOS upgrade in any one particular year… definitely not.

I feel for anyone who ordered the iPP with the assumption of pro apps or MacOS being brought to it, especially those who went for the higher storage options just for the higher RAM, unfortunately the truth is the 2021 iPad Pro is as about as much of an upgrade as the 2020 model was over the 2018.

 

[RSB96]

I think thinking that the iPad was going to carry macOS was pretty delusional. It's never going to happen.

However, I too was hoping for something more. I want to see multitasking, see if the camera works when you have the camera in SplitView or SliceOver. The rest is fine, and it's just what I needed to be more intuitive.

The quick notes are great and I find them very useful for my workflow.

 

[GrumpyCoder]

I think the clearest way I can explain it. I wonder if Apple is running into a problem where they lack the bandwidth to cover all of the product lines they’re creating…

Well, the whole Apple eco system is a mess right now. Few months ago they came up with their own Tensorflow fork with M1 support. It’s a big, huge mess. Look at the state of OpenGL and OpenCL, while they’re heading towards full Metal.

As far as the lineup, here’s some wishful thinking:

• Entry level colored MBA with M1 (as seen in rumors), very cheap
• Pro level MBP 14”/16”, much better hardware and much more expensive
• In between the MBA and MBP, the iPP with M1 with a hybrid OS. Doesn’t cannibalize the sales of the MBA as it’s much cheaper and also not the sales of the MBP with much more power, as those are more expensive.
• In addition, we need a pro-level iMac that is also expensive and a Mac Pro which is the top end option
• And while we’re at it, a Mac or Mac Mini Pro that allows for more displays attached, more RAM and better GPU.

Check out what is Windows 8 and how it failed.

Yeah, why not use Windows as an example from a company that doesn’t even know how to spell operating system, not even talking about making one. The piece of junk that’s called Windows. Sorry, but bad example. How about taking a Surface Book instead, which comes with a docking mechanism and install Linux on it, when undocked, switch the desktop environment. That’s a more realistic example.

And before you ask, sure, I could do this myself with Linux. But I don’t have the time or energy to write and maintain it on my own, let alone all the additional software tools needed. And I’d avoid buying a Surface at all costs. I have other software to get done for research purposes, which keeps me busy enough. Apple can do this, if they want (and that is the real problem).

 

[MrGimper]

Let's be realistic, and come at this from another angle ..... Apple didn't put the M1 in the iPad..... Apple put the A14X in their Macs. People are being blinded by the fact that macOS runs on ARM on macs. The iPad has had an evolution of the chip it's always had.

As for Pro apps .... if these are coming, why would Apple announce these at WWDC, it's not what it's for.

 

[Bug-Creator]

• Entry level colored MBA with M1 (as seen in rumors), very cheap

I don't think we will see any M1 based devices anymore, those MBAs are rumored for late 2021 so a M2 seems in order.

 

[maflynn]

think thinking that the iPad was going to carry macOS was pretty delusional. It's never going to happen.

Agreed, Apple has a business model for their mac lines and iPad lines. I don't seem them merging the two and perhaps ruining the experience for both products.

Apple didn't put the M1 in the iPad..... Apple put the A14X

The naming of the ARM chip is just marketing, but it certainly caused people to jump to conlcusions - this thread is evidence of that. With my IPP, its really no different then any other iPad. Yeah it has a great screen, and the processor is fast but at the end of the day, its an iPad.

 

[GrumpyCoder]

I don't think we will see any M1 based devices anymore, those MBAs are rumored for late 2021 so a M2 seems in order.

Maybe, maybe not. Whatever they’ll put in, I expect it to be at the bottom end when it comes to performance and price. So if they put a M2 in the MBA, then I’d expect a M2x/M3 in the MBPs. Or maybe they have different versions of M2.

 

[l0stl0rd]

I am not worried… and it makes sense that they did put the M1 in the iPad it makes it way easier for them manufacturing wise. Also why should they announce a such “unimportant” feature in the keynote as it does only affect like a very little percentage of iPad users. I however think that does not mean that they will not change the app memory limit, they might just silently “fix” it without making much of a fuss, like they do often