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LIVEFRMNYC

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I don't know what you've done to your 4S and ipad 2 but in my immediate family both those devices are still in use.

It pretty damn slow. Sure it works, but it lags like crazy. Gets slower after every update. And as of now it's finally no long supported.

But features like handoff, airplay and etc which doesn't rely on the hardware itself is not enabled on my iPad 2 by Apple.
 

C DM

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Apple supports a device with updates for years and some older ones from 5 years ago are just not as "snappy" as they used to be initially...planned obsolescence.

Apple stops support a device with updates after 3 years so that it can keep on performing well...planned obsolescence.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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I'd expect them to be as both are now 5 years old.

My Note 2 runs pretty damn good with it's last official upgrade. Non Rooted. I can say the same for several old Android phones I still have. iOS upgrades in my experience do degrade performance on older devices faster. You already have 5S users complaining.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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My Note 2 runs pretty damn good with it's last official upgrade. Non Rooted. I can say the same for several old Android phones I still have. iOS upgrades in my experience do degrade performance on older devices faster. You already have 5S users complaining.
That's great news for those that keep devices longer than 5 years then. Android appears to be superior in that regard if your observations are correct. I wonder how well my 5 year old HTC Incredible S will perform these days? I don't generally keep phones for longer than 2 years so the reality is I'm pretty carefree about long term support. I did manage to buy an update from Apple last year for a 2007 iPod Touch which I was impressed with.
 

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From what i have seen i like 7 Plus better. Looks rich, but not overblown. I remember one demo where there is that green snake and i know it doesn't look like that, so i went to a zoo and it looks nothing like it. It's green, but not overblown lettuce green like on oled.


Display mate would agree with you.

It is the most color accurate display that we have ever measured. It is Visually Indistinguishable from Perfect, and is very likely considerably better than on any mobile display.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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That's great news for those that keep devices longer than 5 years then. Android appears to be superior in that regard if your observations are correct. I wonder how well my 5 year old HTC Incredible S will perform these days? I don't generally keep phones for longer than 2 years so the reality is I'm pretty carefree about long term support. I did manage to buy an update from Apple last year for a 2007 iPod Touch which I was impressed with.

I'm the same. But back then, you would get next to nothing trying to resell anything that's not an iPhone. So I kept many of my phones.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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I'm the same. But back then, you would get next to nothing trying to resell anything that's not an iPhone. So I kept many of my phones.
I don't have any of my old phones except Nokia's from over a decade ago. My HTC's were all sold but my friend has the Incredible S in a drawer so I could fire it up. I had the G1, Desire HD, Tattoo, Hero but all were sold while I could still get cash for them. I'm sure they are all in a phone graveyard somewhere though.
 

Radon87000

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That's great news for those that keep devices longer than 5 years then. Android appears to be superior in that regard if your observations are correct. I wonder how well my 5 year old HTC Incredible S will perform these days? I don't generally keep phones for longer than 2 years so the reality is I'm pretty carefree about long term support. I did manage to buy an update from Apple last year for a 2007 iPod Touch which I was impressed with.
Thats because Android is much more realistic in that regard.2 years sounds low but thats the point when diminishing marginal resturns to speed kick in.The device would run like molasses if it ran that OS.For instance the iPhone 4S does lag like crazy on iOS 10.But the Galaxy Nexus running a custom MM ROM also runs slow which is why it was discontinued back in 2013 when it was still snappy and I commend Google for that whilst still giving us power users the choice to run MM if we want
 

I7guy

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Gotta be in it to win it
Using extremely rare possible issues is hardly something for anyone to concern themselves about. (Unless it's a safety issue)



You mean a current OS that doesn't include 95% of the features and still degrades the performance, but you have to upgrade anyway for the sole purpose of app compatibility. I'm sure users that hold on to their iPhones are estactic.

My 4S is a dresser draw filler, and my iPad 2 is just a damn good Alarm clock.
No I mean the o/s that is up to date and works perfectly well on a 4s and iPad 2. My iPad 2 is still a workhorse on 9.3.5.
 

Radon87000

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Apple supports a device with updates for years and some older ones from 5 years ago are just not as "snappy" as they used to be initially...planned obsolescence.

Apple stops support a device with updates after 3 years so that it can keep on performing well...planned obsolescence.
I already told you the solution which Google does with Nexus.Downgrade support.If you are scared that people will stay on an older version it basically proves that newer OS cripple old hardware which is why people didnt upgrade in the first place
 

C DM

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Thats because Android is much more realistic in that regard.2 years sounds low but thats the point when diminishing marginal resturns to speed kick in.The device would run like molasses if it ran that OS.For instance the iPhone 4S does lag like crazy on iOS 10.But the Galaxy Nexus running a custom MM ROM also runs slow which is why it was discontinued back in 2013 when it was still snappy and I commend Google for that whilst still giving us power users the choice to run MM if we want
I'm not sure how "iPhone 4S does lag like crazy on iOS 10" if it can't even be installed on it.

That aside, there's the rub, the same people would cry foul and talk non-stop about planned obsolescence if Apple was "much more realistic in that regard" and stopped providing updates to devices after a couple of years. The rather blatantly obvious silliness just doesn't stop.
 

I7guy

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Gotta be in it to win it
Thats because Android is much more realistic in that regard.2 years sounds low but thats the point when diminishing marginal resturns to speed kick in.The device would run like molasses if it ran that OS.For instance the iPhone 4S does lag like crazy on iOS 10.But the Galaxy Nexus running a custom MM ROM also runs slow which is why it was discontinued back in 2013 when it was still snappy and I commend Google for that whilst still giving us power users the choice to run MM if we want
4s lags on iOS 10?:rolleyes: At least it's supported as far as a late iOS release iOS 9, you can't get official vendor support for custom roms.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Oct 27, 2009
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My iPad 2 is still a workhorse on 9.3.5.

Even after a factory reset and set up as new, Safari and 3rd party browsers are slow, most popular apps are slow and crash frequently, big games lag, and on and on and on. The only major thing that still runs butter smooth is the email app and notes. Netflix runs decent, but YouTube is a hassle. SOT has gotten much worse, but standby is still amazing. I barely use it anymore, so it's not a big deal.
 

I7guy

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Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
Even after a factory reset and set up as new, Safari and 3rd party browsers are slow, most popular apps are slow and crash frequently, big games lag, and on and on and on. The only major thing that still runs butter smooth is the email app and notes. Netflix runs decent, but YouTube is a hassle. SOT has gotten much worse, but standby is still amazing. I barely use it anymore, so it's not a big deal.
Being honest it's not obviously as fast as my 6s, but it's not a steaming pile either. Some things run better than others , it I can't complain a 5 year old mobile device has just reached the end of the line.
 

Radon87000

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I'm not sure how "iPhone 4S does lag like crazy on iOS 10" if it can't even be installed on it.

That aside, there's the rub, the same people would cry foul and talk non-stop about planned obsolescence if Apple was "much more realistic in that regard" and stopped providing updates to devices after a couple of years. The rather blatantly obvious silliness just doesn't stop.
It was a typo

No one would cry if downgrade support was enabled.Its amusing to see you guys keep trying to dodge this solution I pointed out which is the perfect solution to all the problems

4s lags on iOS 10?:rolleyes: At least it's supported as far as a late iOS release iOS 9, you can't get official vendor support for custom roms.

On the contrary I find custom ROM's much quicker to update and the hidden functionality gems in them make them more alluring
 

C DM

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It was a typo

No one would cry if downgrade support was enabled.Its amusing to see you guys keep trying to dodge this solution I pointed out which is the perfect solution to all the problems



On the contrary I find custom ROM's much quicker to update and the hidden functionality gems in them make them more alluring
Or course people would cry foul, as they have done before. Downgrading is downgrading and doesn't have much to do with not getting new updates after a certain time. It's all certainly amusing, just for entirely different reasons.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
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Being honest it's not obviously as fast as my 6s, but it's not a steaming pile either. Some things run better than others , it I can't complain a 5 year old mobile device has just reached the end of the line.

I'm not saying it needs to be trashed. But the it's missing 95% of the major features, that would even attract users to upgrade. And some which don't require better hardware. Also, iOS updates degrades performance as the device ages on a faster level than Android. I bet the iP7+ will start to show noticeable degraded performance come iOS12 update in fall 2018.
It's to the point that even some die hard Apple fans are accusing Apple on doing it purposely.
 
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Radon87000

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Or course people would cry foul, as they have done before. Downgrading is downgrading and doesn't have much to do with not getting new updates after a certain time. It's all certainly amusing, just for entirely different reasons.
Why would people cry foul?Support device for 5 years.People who dont see the lag will stay on the latest version.Those who do will stay on older OS.This is how its been on computers for decades.Google didnt reinvent the wheel here

it's not a steaming pile either.

It is.If you think thats bearable you would find Android 4.0 a rocket ship.Seriously
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
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Gotta be in it to win it
It was a typo

No one would cry if downgrade support was enabled.Its amusing to see you guys keep trying to dodge this solution I pointed out which is the perfect solution to all the problems



On the contrary I find custom ROM's much quicker to update and the hidden functionality gems in them make them more alluring
Seems like your solution is not apples solution.

You can do anything you want with custom roms. Official support --- there is none which was my point you dodged.
 

C DM

macrumors Sandy Bridge
Oct 17, 2011
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Why would people cry foul?Support device for 5 years.People who dont see the lag will stay on the latest version.Those who do will stay on older OS.This is how its been on computers for decades.Google didnt reinvent the wheel here
Because people want new stuff? Because people feel cheated when their device doesn't get new updates after only a couple of years? I don't know, why do people cry foul when they aren't getting newer versions and updates of something while those with newer devices are? Are we really going down this path of pretending to question rather obvious and common knowledge here?
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
Why would people cry foul?Support device for 5 years.People who dont see the lag will stay on the latest version.Those who do will stay on older OS.This is how its been on computers for decades.Google didnt reinvent the wheel here



It is.If you think thats bearable you would find Android 4.0 a rocket ship.Seriously
It's not; here's where different expectations and perceptions come into play.
 

Radon87000

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Seems like your solution is not apples solution.
Of course it isnt.The consequences of enabling it

1.People would stay on the older version for speed just like how my Nexus 7 will continue to be on Lollipop despite MM being available for it
2.iOS charts will become fragmented
3.If people continue to stay on a fast OS there would be no incentive to upgrade.For instance,my iPhone 6 would get demolished by iPhone 7 in speed test and animation smoothness but I bet if it was on iOS 8,4,1 the difference would have narrowed
4.Less profit for Apple
You can do anything you want with custom roms. Official support --- there is none which was my point you dodged.
If you call a 5 second settings lag and constant tab refreshing with more than 1 tab and a 7 second keyboard lag along with atrocious lag in app switcher "support" sure.And as the post above proves I am not alone on this.

I am serious when I say even Amazon's $50 kindle performed better than a $300 tablet
 

mi7chy

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2014
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My Note 2 runs pretty damn good with it's last official upgrade. Non Rooted. I can say the same for several old Android phones I still have. iOS upgrades in my experience do degrade performance on older devices faster. You already have 5S users complaining.

I also have a bootloader unlocked Note 2 backup that can run CM13 Marshmallow but prefer stock Touchwiz Kit Kat for features like split screen multitasking. Device is still very usable because of 2GB DRAM future proofing back in 2012 and with pen it's more usable than even iPhone 7 Plus. Had an iPhone 4s and still have an iPad 2 but they run like poop on iOS 9 with 512MB DRAM. It's safe to say that any iOS device runs like poop with less than 2GB and iOS frequent updates are meaningless since older devices don't get basic features like ad block, raise to wake, night shift, etc. and worse you lose familiar features like slide to unlock so it's just a placebo version number change that also removes the ability to jailbreak.
 
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