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Hanzu Lao

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Samsung have been ahead on the camera front for a while but if the iPhone 7 has a better camera than the 6S, it is more than excellent for anybody. My 6S takes a cracking picture.
Indeed. Taken at the beach and it was windy as hell the thing was all over the place.
 

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Technarchy

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iMessage, I haven't seen any significant changes which help me, but I don't doubt you and am not downplaying the changes, I'm just not aware of them.

And lets not forget iMessage the most ubiquitous messaging platform there is short of regular SMS. Meaning your intent and experience is conveyed as intended. iMessage alone is probably one of the larger reasons I hear people say they won't leave iOS.

iCloud: OneDrive is encompassing across ALL of my devices, Android, iOS, windows, OSx, even no platform as it's usable on a web interface. I'm not debating though as I don't know enough about iCloud other than my uses, but the PC and iOS interfaces are terrible.

iCloud really has no interface. It's just there, largely passive, but it keeps all your photos, docs, backups. I used Dropbox quite a bit for awhile, but now it's all iCloud because it's less hassle. I hate to say it, but it just works.

I'm actually living in the present. iTunes is still mandatory for many things. I ran into this ugly issue the other day when trying to get some custom audiobooks to open with a certain app. I researched extensively, asked on here and other forums, and the only way to accomplish what I wanted was to go through iTunes. So I had to download and install it on my PC, then connect my iPhone, then modify the files, then sync and upload them. How about something as silly as downloading apps from your computer? You can't unless you use iTunes or your phone.

You're taking the path of most difficult resistance just so you can complain on a forum. I use Audible and it's brainless in simplicity.

Also, you said you didn't use iTunes.

Bleh that sucks, I despise iTunes. What I ended up doing was downloading a file manager app, which is a bit comical because it's nothing like a true file manager. It's called Documents and it's actually pretty good, and even free with no in app purchases.

Like I said, over complicating your life. You downloaded an App to replicate services already offered by Dropbox, Google Drive and most importantly iCloud which is baked into iOS?
 
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spinedoc77

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And lets not forget iMessage the most ubiquitous messaging platform there is short of regular SMS. Meaning your intent and experience is conveyed as intended. iMessage alone is probably one of the larger reasons I hear people say they won't leave iOS.



iCloud really has no interface. It's just there, largely passive, but it keeps all your photos, docs, backups. I used Dropbox quite a bit for awhile, but now it's all iCloud because it's less hassle. I hate to say it, but it just works.



You're taking the path of most difficult resistance just so you can complain on a forum. I use Audible and it's brainless in simplicity.

Also, you said you didn't use iTunes.



Like I said, over complicating your life. You downloaded an Apple to replicate services already offered by Dropbox, Google Drive and most importantly iCloud which is baked into iOS?

Absolutely, no argument on imessage. I will HIGHLY miss it when I return my 7+ tomorrow. OneDrive "just works" as well, with a better interface and functionality IMO.

BTW Audible was the app I was trying to get my audiobooks on, where I had to use iTunes. I didn't say I don't use iTunes, I said I was forced to use it. In Android I simply click on the audiobook in my OneDrive cloud and it gives me the option to open it in Audible, best of all it streams it so no local storage is wasted. In iOS, even having the file uploaded to iCloud, Audible still wouldn't see it. I had to specifically upload it to Audible in iTunes, to storage space on the iphone. Yes I'm taking the path of most difficult resistance because I was forced to. I'm complaining just as much as you are kettle.
 

Technarchy

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Samsung have been ahead on the camera front for a while but if the iPhone 7 has a better camera than the 6S, it is more than excellent for anybody. My 6S takes a cracking picture.

My Galaxy S6 took stunning photos. My iPhone 6S takes really good photos, but The S6 was better.

Haven't really dived into iPhone 7 photos yet, but I'm sure I won't have any major complaints, even if the S7 has the advantage. It's not like any iPhone takes bad photos at this point. Even the SE captures impressive shots.
 
It isn't that much better than Drive though. Plus, I feel like one of Android's main features over iOS is the file system. I will say, restoring an iPhone is 1000000x better than restoring any Android phone.

This whole debate all comes down to this:

Who's services do you use more?

As far as your statement on the filesystem, how often do you feel the need to get into the filesystem?
Android falls on the belief that people actually use the file structure. Whereas Apple aims to keep everything uncluttered, when you open an App, all of your documents that pertain to that App are available to you. That's it. They aren't trying to provide file system access (beyond the obvious security reasons) simply because they want to keep everything compartmentalized. Adding app extensions was just a way to bring functionality from one app to another, that's it. Outside of development I hardly ever need access to the filesystem, and even then when you have loads of documents it's still not easy finding what you are looking for.

It's not really an argument of iCloud vs Drive, it's an argument of what do you actually use? If you use both, well, you can fall back to which features you like better. In the end it's all about how much it integrates with your workflow. I am Apple everything, it wasn't cheap, but the end result is a great ecosystem in my opinion with everything working seamlessly.

On the flipside, if you use Google everything, Android will provide you with a lot more mileage than iOS for certain.

If you use both like I do, default to the one you like best and what plays well with your other devices, such as a Samsung TV and Android, or the iPhone with Apple TV.

In my particular workflow, I keep all of my documents that I work on most in iCloud so I can have them on the go. I use Google Drive myself for collaboration projects because not everyone likes Apple's offerings.

Think "right tool for the job." It's something I've had to come to terms with in order to be a successful systems administrator. What "job" or role will this device fill? If you get an iPhone and you primarily use Google services, you'll be having a hard time and vice versa for Android and iCloud.
 

tbayrgs

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Just left my local Apple store and had my first hands-on with the iPhone 7/7+. Let me preface that I'm offering my quick impressions solely in comparison to my current iPhone 6s+.

That being said, color me wholly unimpressed. In the hand, feels exactly the same. While I think the new Black is a marked improvement over the old 'Space Grey', the Jet Black looks like plastic (reminds me of the 3G/3GS) and the display models had tons of micro-scratches along the back.

I actually did like the new Taptic home button but it's really not solving any existing performance problem. Yes, a moving home button is more likely to fail but Apple has introduced new hardware (Taptic engine) that could also fail. While I've seen tons of complaints about the feel of the 'click', I found it to be just fine. Otherwise, I see no added benefit other than Apple testing out new tech for next years rumored buttonless phone. And according to Apple, it's a primary reason why there is no longer a headphone jack.

The camera is likely the biggest area of change, especially in the Plus model---this is the only area where I'd see someone getting any value in upgrading from a 6S+.

Unless you are quite dedicated to the minutia of smartphone photography, I don't see the value in upgrading personally. And in the past, in regards to Apple products, my upgrade threshold is pretty low.
 
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Just left my local Apple store and had my first hands-on with the iPhone 7/7+. Let me preface that I'm offering my quick impressions solely in comparison to my current iPhone 6s+.

That be said, color me wholly unimpressed. In the hand, feels exactly the same. While I think the new Black is a marked improvement over the old 'Space Grey', the Jet Black looks like plastic (reminds me of the 3G/3GS) and the display models had tons of micro-scratches along the back.

I actually did like the new Taptic home button but it's really not solving any existing performance problem. Yes, a moving home button is more likely to fail but Apple has introduced new hardware (Taptic engine) that could also fail. But while I've seen tons of complaints about the feel of the 'click', I found it to be just fine. Otherwise, I see no added benefit other than Apple testing out new tech for next years rumored buttonless phone. And according to Apple, it's a primary reason there use no longer a headphone jack.

The camera is likely the biggest area of change, especially in the Plus model---this is the only area where I'd see someone getting any value in upgrading from a 6S+.

Unless you are quite dedicated to the minutia of smartphone photography, I'd don't see the value in upgrading personally. And in the past, in regards to Apple products, my upgrade threshold is pretty low.
How else do you want it to feel in your hand?
 

The-Real-Deal82

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My Galaxy S6 took stunning photos. My iPhone 6S takes really good photos, but The S6 was better.

Haven't really dived into iPhone 7 photos yet, but I'm sure I won't have any major complaints, even if the S7 has the advantage. It's not like any iPhone takes bad photos at this point. Even the SE captures impressive shots.
Exactly, very good is more than adequate, for me anyway.
 

tbayrgs

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How else do you want it to feel in your hand?

As many others have pointed out, the iPhone is incredibly inefficient with its display to size ratio. It was already comically large when the iPhone 6 was released and it'll be exactly the same for 3 years. I have no problem with a consistent design if it excels, and though while I don't care as much as many other on the fora about minuscule bezels, when handling just about any other modern smartphone, the iPhones somehow manage to feel both slippery and a bit ungainly.
 
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And lets not forget iMessage the most ubiquitous messaging platform there is short of regular SMS. Meaning your intent and experience is conveyed as intended. iMessage alone is probably one of the larger reasons I hear people say they won't leave iOS.

iCloud really has no interface. It's just there, largely passive, but it keeps all your photos, docs, backups. I used Dropbox quite a bit for awhile, but now it's all iCloud because it's less hassle. I hate to say it, but it just works.

It may be a US thing but over here I hear nobody caring about iMessage any more than any stock SMS app. Most use FB Messenger or WhatsApp instead.

The lack of a user interface is exactly why I don't care about iCloud. I feel like I don't know exactly what is in there and that's why I use Dropbox instead. I use Windows, OSX, Android and iOS on different devices so I need services that work across all of them instead of just half of them.
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As many others have pointed out, the iPhone is incredibly inefficient with their display to size ratio. It was already comically large when the iPhone 6 was released and it'll be exactly the same for 3 years. I have no problem with a consistent design if it excels, and though while I don't care as much as many other on the fora about minuscule bezels, when handling just about any other modern smartphone, the iPhones somehow manage to feel both slippery and a bit ungainly.

Yeah it is such a weird design to go with for several years. Maybe they intended for the iPhone 7 to be a new design but something happened along the way. You have to remember that even before the iPhone 6 we had devices like the Galaxy S4 that packed a bigger 5" display in roughly the same dimensions as the current iPhone.

Having used a 5.5" Oneplus One for a few years now I really like how the Note 7 feels. Just that little bit slimmer making it more comfortable to use with one hand.
 

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It may be a US thing but over here I hear nobody caring about iMessage any more than any stock SMS app. Most use FB Messenger or WhatsApp instead.

I keep iMessage turned off. I want my texts handled as texts through my carrier.

For web messaging, I'll use Facebook messenger.

I have no plans to ever enable iMessages. I'll always use it as a stock text message function.

In my life, it's important to maintain a clear distinction between text / cellular and web / email communication.

It maybe less of a region thing and more an age/generational difference ...

Or it could be a functional need.
 

Fernandez21

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It maybe less of a region thing and more an age/generational difference ...
I'm not sure what its like elsewhere, but here in the US all phone plans include unlimited sms, so that is what everyone uses. With imessage being built in to sms app and it activating automatically when texting another iPhone, that is the main reason iMessage has become so popular here. If it were a separate app and require signup/login, it wouldnt be anywhere near as popular. Same for facetime.

Right now the carriers are rollong out an advanced sms and video calling service and are including them in the default apps for new phones. These have a chance to take over, but right now they only work if your on the same carrier and are using a new Android phone (the services arent compatible with the iPhone). I feel these only have a chance if they work regardless of carrier and if they can get apple on board.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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The joke is back in the room if the reports of replacement Note 7's catching fire while charging again are true. It might well be false as I can't imagine Samsung making the same mistake twice.
 
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It maybe less of a region thing and more an age/generational difference ...

Well, at least in my case the people I used to iMessage with have more or less moved to other services. Even my wife and I are using FB Messenger instead of iMessage as we had just too many undelivered iMessages causing unnecessary problems and a temporary workaround became quite permanent.
 
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Radon87000

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I read another comparison on AC and it baffles me how people still feel iPhone's LCD even competes with Note 7 OLED.Opinion of the AC team (and they are fair in their review giving the points to the iphone where needed)

"The display isn't just smaller, it's also packing a lower resolution — 1080p vs 1440p — and is a full 118ppi less dense. There's simply no contest between these two displays. Samsung offers a brighter panel with sharper text, and the curved AMOLED design means images simply fall off the edge of this phone. Both displays even make us of the new, 26% wider DCI-P3 Color Gamut, which means you're seeing true-to-life colors more akin to a human eye. Reds are redder, and yellows more sunny."

"There really is nothing that compares to Samsung's display. Apple can tout color accuracy all they want, but the Note 7 is brighter outdoors by a mile, darker in a room with no lights on, and makes everything on it looks amazing.That amazing display means something on the Note 7 is less amazing than the iPhone 7 Plus, battery. The 2900mAh battery in the iPhone 7 Plus is noticeably smaller than the 3500mAh battery in the Note 7, yet somehow Apple is able to routinely deliver a full hour more use."

" Put simply, the iPhone 7 is the fastest phone in existence today. Downloading apps from the App Store happens in the blink of an eye, and opening those apps has never been faster. This iPhone 7 Plus regularly takes the Note 7's lunch money when it comes to performance, from the smoothness of rotating from portrait to landscape to the sub-second launching of the camera app. It's more than a little impressive, and you can feel it in every aspect of the software."

Just look at this screen.It looks as if the image has an infinity effect to it and even in a picture I can see the Note 7 is so much more brighter

iphone-7-note-7-pink.jpg








Samsung have been ahead on the camera front for a while but if the iPhone 7 has a better camera than the 6S, it is more than excellent for anybody. My 6S takes a cracking picture.
Both cameras are good but the low light pics clearly give Note 7 the edge


iPhone 7

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Note 7

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I7guy

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I read another comparison on AC and it baffles me how people still feel iPhone's LCD even competes with Note 7 OLED.Opinion of the AC team (and they are fair in their review giving the points to the iphone where needed)
People have differing perceptions and thus differing experiences. You don't have to agree or be baffled, you have to understand people think differently than you.
 

Radon87000

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People have differing perceptions and thus differing experiences. You don't have to agree or be baffled, you have to understand people think differently than you.

So you find the iPhone display superior above?
 

Technarchy

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People have differing perceptions and thus differing experiences. You don't have to agree or be baffled, you have to understand people think differently than you.

It's not just perception. It's also priority.

I am a person that went from an amazing Galaxy S6 display to functional and adequate iPhone 6S display.

I could do this because I don't regard Samsung's displays as being a greater priority than Apple's tech, experience, services.

Put in simpler terms, Samsung might have a better display and camera, but I don't care. It's not my priority. Nothing wrong with this being the case either.
 
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spinedoc77

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While I agree the Note 7 has a superior display to my eye, the difference isn't startling in most cases. I kind of disagree with how much faster the review says the 7+ is, it's really not in day to day use. Things open up just as quickly on either of them, portrait to landscape is the same, etc. My 7+ even lags occasionally, apps hang opening occasionally, and I've had apps force close occasionally. It's technology, and by nature it will never be perfect, yet we all want to pounce on some tiny trivial technology hiccup in our quest to assert which phone is better. They are both killer phones, it's been a very tough decision deciding which one to keep.

One thing I will note is that the 7+ is a beast when it comes to battery, as I expected because the 6s+ was also. I'm almost tempted to say I'd give up the superior display of the N7 for the battery life of the 7+, almost.
 
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macfacts

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It maybe less of a region thing and more an age/generational difference ...

In the past, SMS msgs costs money for each message sent or received in USA, that's why something like iMessage took off. iMessage just used wifi or mobile data connection. Unlimited SMS plans are a recent thing.


Yep. More accurate color to my eyes.

More accurate vs what setting on the Samsung AMOLED displays? Adaptive (default), Cinema, photo, basic?
 

I7guy

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In the past, SMS msgs costs money for each message sent or received in USA, that's why something like iMessage took off. iMessage just used wifi or mobile data connection. Unlimited SMS plans are a recent thing.




More accurate vs what setting on the Samsung AMOLED displays? Adaptive (default), Cinema, photo, basic?
Dont know, the display looks over
Saturated to me every display model I've played with.
 

Fernandez21

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Dont know, the display looks over
Saturated to me every display model I've played with.
The display models are generally in adaptive mode, which to me gets over saturated, but if you switch to photo or basic mode it looks MUCH better.
 
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