All jokes aside, what would be a reason to get the iPhone 7 Plus over the Note 7?

[I7guy]

I'm not saying it needs to be trashed. But the it's missing 95% of the major features, that would even attract users to upgrade. And some which don't require better hardware. Also, iOS updates degrades performance as the device ages on a faster level than Android. I bet the iP7+ will start to show noticeable degraded performance come iOS12 update in fall 2018.
It's to the point that even some die hard Apple fans are accusing Apple on doing it purposely.

I can't say I agree with your sentiments.
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Of course it isnt.The consequences of enabling it

1.People would stay on the older version for speed just like how my Nexus 7 will continue to be on Lollipop despite MM being available for it
2.iOS charts will become fragmented
3.If people continue to stay on a fast OS there would be no incentive to upgrade.For instance,my iPhone 6 would get demolished by iPhone 7 in speed test and animation smoothness but I bet if it was on iOS 8,4,1 the difference would have narrowed
4.Less profit for Apple

If you call a 5 second settings lag and constant tab refreshing with more than 1 tab and a 7 second keyboard lag along with atrocious lag in app switcher "support" sure.And as the post above proves I am not alone on this.

I am serious when I say even Amazon's $50 kindle performed better than a $300 tablet

Regardless of YOUR reasons, which honestly the only ones that count are apples reasons. And I thought we've already established your iPhone 6 is buggered; must've dropped it maybe?

What's a fast o/s? iOS 9 and 10 blazes on my 6s. Not so much on my 5 yr old iPad 2, but iOS 6 and 7 weren't speed kings either. iOS 9 is slightly slower but so much more can be done it's worth it. iOS 8 was the worst release ever it pains me to say.

 

[apolloa]

I can't say I agree with your sentiments.
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Regardless of YOUR reasons, which honestly the only ones that count are apples reasons. And I thought we've already established your iPhone 6 is buggered; must've dropped it maybe?

What's a fast o/s? iOS 9 and 10 blazes on my 6s. Not so much on my 5 yr old iPad 2, but iOS 6 and 7 weren't speed kings either. iOS 9 is slightly slower but so much more can be done it's worth it. iOS 8 was the worst release ever it pains me to say.

I've found iOS 10 to be a laggy mess so far, Safari in particular. Not half as good performance wise as iOS 9 so the usual mo for Apple.

 

[I7guy]

I've found iOS 10 to be a laggy mess so far, Safari in particular. Not half as good performance wise as iOS 9 so the usual mo for Apple.

iOS 10 flies for me. YMMV as in all things. No difference between iOS 9 and 10 in a practical sense.

 

[apolloa]

iOS 10 flies for me. YMMV as in all things. No difference between iOS 9 and 10 in a practical sense.

Screen rotation is slow and laggy, Safari doesn't format webpages properly anymore, I've had graphics errors, I've had other bugs and these are on my iPad Pro and iPhone 7.

 

[I7guy]

Screen rotation is slow and laggy, Safari doesn't format webpages properly anymore, I've had graphics errors, I've had other bugs and these are on my iPad Pro and iPhone 7.

6s does not have any of these issues. Also 5s and 6 do not have these issues.

 

[apolloa]

6s does not have any of these issues. Also 5s and 6 do not have these issues.

My 6S was buggy as well. Really think iOS 10 needs to go back in the oven for a while longer...

 

[mi7chy]

It's still very early for iOS 10.0.2 and based on past results it won't reach maturity until 10.3.x. Better off with less glitchy iPhone 6S series hardware running stable iOS 9.3.5.

 

[C DM]

6s does not have any of these issues. Also 5s and 6 do not have these issues.

As usual petty much with any release (especially a major one) some people have some issues while some others have other issues and many others still don't really have any of those issues (aside from just some smaller bugs that can typically be in initial release of a new version).

 

[flyinmac]

It isn't that much better than Drive though. Plus, I feel like one of Android's main features over iOS is the file system. I will say, restoring an iPhone is 1000000x better than restoring any Android phone.

The main thing I like is the seamless feeling synchronization of my contacts, calendar, etc. between my phone and 3 computers. No matter what I'm using at the moment, all my information is right there and up to date. But that requires full immersion into the Apple ecosystem.

The biggest thing I don't like about android is the difficulty syncing all my contacts and several years worth of calendars to each computer and device on a local level. Like not having to open a google web app to view it.

I also don't like not being able to completely backup android devices to the computer. If something happens, I have to redo everything.

Otherwise, using them is about the same. But Android feels clunkier when it comes to placing apps on the home screens. Some apps I've had to resort to going into settings and app info to launch them.

I do prefer the local file system on Android. I can put something there, and know exactly where to find it later. Work files, audio, video, documents, etc. all easy to find, copy, move around, delete, send, etc. so much easier.
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iOS 10 flies for me. YMMV as in all things. No difference between iOS 9 and 10 in a practical sense.

No perceivable performance decrease for me either using iOS 10 on my iPhone 5.

 

[IHelpId10t5]

So, not due to the recall, but outside of that, what would be a reason to get the iPhone 7 plus over the Note 7?

I currently have the Note 7 and do really like it, but it has been recalled and I have the ability to switch to the iPhone 7 Plus. I seem to bounce back and forth between Android and iOS and can never feel fully satisfied with either one.

The Note 7 will get fixed, so wondering what reasons you think are the main reasons to go with the 7 plus over the Note 7 since the Note 7 on paper, and even in some hardware features are more impressive than the 7 Plus?

Note 7 has a better screen, wireless and fast charging, better waterproofing. The camera system may end up being a wash, although I do like the telephoto lens on the new 7 Plus. Just wondering if there were reasons you'd pick the 7 plus over the Note 7 besides saying it doesn't explode. Looking for some constructive feedback. I'm getting the itch to come back to iPhone, but not really unsatisfied with the the Note 7.

Thanks everyone!

iOS

 

[Radon87000]

I can't say I agree with your sentiments.
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Regardless of YOUR reasons, which honestly the only ones that count are apples reasons. And I thought we've already established your iPhone 6 is buggered; must've dropped it maybe?

What's a fast o/s? iOS 9 and 10 blazes on my 6s. Not so much on my 5 yr old iPad 2, but iOS 6 and 7 weren't speed kings either. iOS 9 is slightly slower but so much more can be done it's worth it. iOS 8 was the worst release ever it pains me to say.

Those are the real reasons.Its common sense why Apple doesn't enable downgrade support.Maybe YOU can tell me why Apple cannot enable downgrade support like Google does

iOS 9 ran like absolute dog **** on iPad Mini 1 which is why I sold it.I haven't dropped my iPhone 6 or over idevices.There are 3 members in this thread who have had a similar experience with iOS upgrades in general.So safe to say your opinion most certainly isn't the general consensus

 

[Radon87000]

Because people want new stuff? Because people feel cheated when their device doesn't get new updates after only a couple of years? I don't know, why do people cry foul when they aren't getting newer versions and updates of something while those with newer devices are? Are we really going down this path of pretending to question rather obvious and common knowledge here?

And how does enabling downgrade support keep people from getting new stuff?How does enabling downgrade support imply cheating people in any sense?

 

[C DM]

And how does enabling downgrade support keep people from getting new stuff?How does enabling downgrade support imply cheating people in any sense?

No clue...not sure why you even brought that up in the context of what I was responding to and commenting on (aside from essentially an attempt at a deflection of some sort).

 

[I7guy]

Those are the real reasons.Its common sense why Apple doesn't enable downgrade support.Maybe YOU can tell me why Apple cannot enable downgrade support like Google does

iOS 9 ran like absolute dog **** on iPad Mini 1 which is why I sold it.I haven't dropped my iPhone 6 or over idevices.There are 3 members in this thread who have had a similar experience with iOS upgrades in general.So safe to say your opinion most certainly isn't the general consensus

It's also safe to say, your experience doesn't speak for the masses either, however, I can't tell you why apple won't allow downgrades. We all can only guess.

 

[smorrissey]

It's also safe to say, your experience doesn't speak for the masses either, however, I can't tell you why apple won't allow downgrades. We all can only guess.

I'm not sure about that, yes Apple officially doesn't allow them but how about unoficially? they do, they keep signing previous versions and the downgrade process is pretty simple using its own tool which is iTunes.

 

[I7guy]

I'm not sure about that, yes Apple officially doesn't allow them but how about unoficially? they do, they keep signing previous versions and the downgrade process is pretty simple using its own tool which is iTunes.

I agree with that, but @Radon87000 is referring to downgrade, anytime, anywhere, any version philosophy. I know some jail breaks allow stuff to be bypassed, but this is related to an official downgrade path.

 

[smorrissey]

I agree with that, but @Radon87000 is referring to downgrade, anytime, anywhere, any version philosophy. I know some jail breaks allow stuff to be bypassed, but this is related to an official downgrade path.

got it.

 

[Technarchy]

Apple has incredibly tight integration between all their products these days. This has numerous perks in terms of simplifying and enhancing the user experience.

The eco-system is very sticky.

 

[spinedoc77]

The main thing I like is the seamless feeling synchronization of my contacts, calendar, etc. between my phone and 3 computers. No matter what I'm using at the moment, all my information is right there and up to date. But that requires full immersion into the Apple ecosystem.

The biggest thing I don't like about android is the difficulty syncing all my contacts and several years worth of calendars to each computer and device on a local level. Like not having to open a google web app to view it.

I also don't like not being able to completely backup android devices to the computer. If something happens, I have to redo everything.

Otherwise, using them is about the same. But Android feels clunkier when it comes to placing apps on the home screens. Some apps I've had to resort to going into settings and app info to launch them.

I do prefer the local file system on Android. I can put something there, and know exactly where to find it later. Work files, audio, video, documents, etc. all easy to find, copy, move around, delete, send, etc. so much easier.
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No perceivable performance decrease for me either using iOS 10 on my iPhone 5.

Interesting, I get the same level of synchronization with Android for contacts, calendars, emails, etc that I do with Apple, it's quite seamless. I don't even need to open a web app to do it, although IMO that's actually much more convenient because then I have a larger screen, keyboard and mouse. But I can simply change calender, or contact info on my phone, or whatever other device is signed in and it syncs everywhere.

Backups, yes that's a great point, Apple is definitely the king of backups IMO. Google needs to take a step forward here. Samsung does an awesome job, not quite as good as Apple, but better than Google.

Placing apps on the home screen, that's odd I've never had those issues. You simply long press, then just drag where you want it. Seems pretty straight forward.

File system: priceless, absolutely priceless.
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Apple has incredibly tight integration between all their products these days. This has numerous perks in terms of simplifying and enhancing the user experience.

The eco-system is very sticky.

What's the big deal? I genuinely say that out of curiosity as I'm not fully familiar with everything. I know the big thing is continuing conversations throughout devices, which I can do to a lesser extent on google voice, but Apple is far more polished. But other than that it seems like syncing things on other platforms has caught up, and in many cases surpassed Apple.

 

[Technarchy]

What's the big deal? I genuinely say that out of curiosity as I'm not fully familiar with everything. I know the big thing is continuing conversations throughout devices, which I can do to a lesser extent on google voice, but Apple is far more polished. But other than that it seems like syncing things on other platforms has caught up, and in many cases surpassed Apple.

Firstly, Google Voice sucks. I know, I used it for a long time before my first iPhone. Horrible product. Tried it again after I returned to android for the S5 and it was still crap.

However, Handoff, Continuity, iMessage, FaceTime and iCloud are still vastly more powerful at what they do. No resorting to a mishmash of buggy apps from 10 vendors to attempt to replicate what Apple does out the box. iMessage grows more robust every year while Google is on like their 3rd of 4th messaging service that no one is going to use.

The fact that I could get my JB7+ in the mail and within 35 minutes have a 100% clone of my 6S including app data and settings is something I value. As a family of products they communicate more cohesively, even down to the little things like never having to put a password into my Mac because my Apple Watch unlocks it. And even cut off from the cloud/internet, Apple products still communicate with each other.

 

[spinedoc77]

Firstly, Google Voice sucks. I know, I used it for a long time before my first iPhone. Horrible product. Tried it again after I returned to android for the S5 and it was still crap.

However, Handoff, Continuity, iMessage, FaceTime and iCloud are still vastly more powerful at what they do. No resorting to a mishmash of buggy apps from 10 vendors to attempt to replicate what Apple does out the box. iMessage grows more robust every year while Google is on like their 3rd of 4th messaging service that no one is going to use.

The fact that I could get my JB7+ in the mail and within 35 minutes have a 100% clone of my 6S including app data and settings is something I value. As a family of products they communicate more cohesively, even down to the little things like never having to put a password into my Mac because my Apple Watch unlocks it. And even cut off from the cloud/internet, Apple products still communicate with each other.

Google voice is awesome, truly truly awesome. I can give up my main number and control my GV number in a ton of ways. I can redirect that number to multiple places, I can't even begin to go into how useful GV has been for both my business and personal life. On the iPhone GV is not great, but that's not necessarily Googles fault. Although with the new callkit changes iOS has if GV isn't revamped for iOS then it will be Googles fault.

I don't disagree on messaging, Google is a complete mess and they continue to add to the mess. Apple is so far ahead of Google, and needlessly so as imessage hasn't changed significantly since it's been released. It's more an issue where Google can't focus on a single standard or app. iCloud I disagree, there are a myriad of cloud services which work just as well if not better. In fact I think iCloud is a big steaming pile of dog turd compared to OneDrive on my iPhone. Add to the mix the other steaming pile of outdated dog turd iTunes, which is required in order to get certain things done, and you have a recipe for, well for more steaming dog turds, mmm.

Apple backup, as I already mentioned, is king of the hill no doubt. I can get that same copy in about an hour, all my apps, settings, placement, accounts, etc just like I left them. Some app settings and sign ins don't carry over though so it's more work than Apple. Yeah Google definitely needs to improve this big time.

I don't need a password for my laptop/tablet either, no watch needed either. Windows Hello is pretty awesome. Do you have to open the watch and fiddle with it, or is simply the proximity to the laptop enough without having to turn the watch on at all? Just curious as it does sound cool, but if it's proximity based sounds like a security risk.

 

[Radon87000]

http://bgr.com/2016/09/28/iphone-7-vs-iphone-6s-vs-galaxy-s7-camera-review/

DX0mark confirms iPhone 7 camera no match for the S7 or using deduction the Note 7 either.I will admit though some of the screenies of the iPhone 7 blew me away

 

[Technarchy]

Google voice is awesome

I think it's **** and won't be using it again for any reason.

I don't disagree on messaging, Google is a complete mess and they continue to add to the mess. Apple is so far ahead of Google, and needlessly so as imessage hasn't changed significantly since it's been released.

Not accurate. iMessage has vastly more potent inter-app sharing than in pervious years, which is a big deal, and iMessage got a massive bump in options with iOS 10.

iCloud I disagree, there are a myriad of cloud services which work just as well if not better. In fact I think iCloud is a big steaming pile of dog turd compared to OneDrive on my iPhone.

iCloud is not just document storage. Onedrive is. iCloud is passive but encompassing across MacOS and iOS. Onedrive is not. I have Onedrive, and it's empty because I never use it. I have iCloud and it's full of content I need and use on all my Apple devices even though I also never really actively interact with it.

Add to the mix the other steaming pile of outdated dog turd iTunes, which is required in order to get certain things done, and you have a recipe for, well for more steaming dog turds, mmm.

You're living in the past. My first iPhone was the iPhone 4S and I literally don't think I've ever used iTunes ever. I haven't used iTunes since I purchased my last iPod which was like in 2009 I think.

Do you have to open the watch and fiddle with it

No.

or is simply the proximity to the laptop enough without having to turn the watch on at all? Just curious as it does sound cool, but if it's proximity based sounds like a security risk.

There is no risk. Your Apple Watch tells you if your Mac gets unlocked.

 

[spinedoc77]

I think it's **** and won't be using it again for any reason.



Not accurate. iMessage has vastly more potent inter-app sharing than in pervious years, which is a big deal, and iMessage got a massive bump in options with iOS 10.



iCloud is not just document storage. Onedrive is. iCloud is passive but encompassing across MacOS and iOS. Onedrive is not. I have Onedrive, and it's empty because I never use it. I have iCloud and it's full of content I need and use on all my Apple devices even though I also never really actively interact with it.



You're living in the past. My first iPhone was the iPhone 4S and I literally don't think I've ever used iTunes ever. I haven't used iTunes since I purchased my last iPod which was like in 2009 I think.



No.



There is no risk. Your Apple Watch tells you if your Mac gets unlocked.

Well we can agree to disagree on Google Voice, the lack of integration on the iPhone is one of the reasons I'm shying away.

iMessage, I haven't seen any significant changes which help me, but I don't doubt you and am not downplaying the changes, I'm just not aware of them.

iCloud: OneDrive is encompassing across ALL of my devices, Android, iOS, windows, OSx, even no platform as it's usable on a web interface. I'm not debating though as I don't know enough about iCloud other than my uses, but the PC and iOS interfaces are terrible.

I'm actually living in the present. iTunes is still mandatory for many things. I ran into this ugly issue the other day when trying to get some custom audiobooks to open with a certain app. I researched extensively, asked on here and other forums, and the only way to accomplish what I wanted was to go through iTunes. So I had to download and install it on my PC, then connect my iPhone, then modify the files, then sync and upload them. How about something as silly as downloading apps from your computer? You can't unless you use iTunes or your phone. iTunes just has the most horrible, outdated, convoluted UI I've ever seen, it also refuses to scale with windows so the UI is tiny, and refuses to window snap, very simple changes a dev could make to make it more usable on windows. Yeah it's windows, but a LOT of iOS users also use windows.

The watch thing is very cool, I like that.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

http://bgr.com/2016/09/28/iphone-7-vs-iphone-6s-vs-galaxy-s7-camera-review/

DX0mark confirms iPhone 7 camera no match for the S7 or using deduction the Note 7 either.I will admit though some of the screenies of the iPhone 7 blew me away

Samsung have been ahead on the camera front for a while but if the iPhone 7 has a better camera than the 6S, it is more than excellent for anybody. My 6S takes a cracking picture.