I provided the exact quote from the protestors which supports my assertion. Your wall of article text is unrelated to what my quote addressed.
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Angry Protests Break Out at Key iPhone Factory in China [Updated]
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If the dining room gets shuts down an alternative method of getting (decent) food to the workers has to be implemented. Apparently, this isn't the case. Gerald Celente always says when people have nothing left to lose, they lose it. Seems applicable here, just my humble opinion... Sad thing is, it doesn't have to be this way.
It really is all down to Chinas Covid policy. Not much Apple can do about that.
And the woke keep buying apple products in masses. So either they support what they claim or not.
You are just looking at the money.
More to life and happiness than that…
But that’s just me…
I don't see where Apple compromised their ideology.
But the money/finances is the objective measure on how a for profit consumer oriented company is doing. So yeah, I'm looking at the money, because that is how success of Apple is measured.
And how would Apple control that? I'm not debating removal of food service isn't a good think, I'm asking how can people in good faith honestly hold Apple responsible in all the internet hyperbole glory for covid issues in China?
Ah, you are looking at it from the company’s ideology. Ok, I can respect that.
For me I feel corporations also have a responsibility than goes further than profits. But that’s just my opinion, so I guess we will agree to disagree. I respect your position anyway.
There is no disagreement. Apple has gone further than profits. Have a read. If you feel this isn't far enough, so be it.
Apple marks a year of giving in the communities it calls home
Apple’s employee donation and volunteering program raises nearly $725 million over the last decade.
www.apple.com
When ever Apple tries to toot their social justice horn just remember this. Their business practice of using the cheapest labor lead to this.
You all here let the US government do the same thing to us. I simply don't see the relevance of any complaints.
BYW, this is not Foxconn or Apple, it is the CCP that is causing the lack of food, the shutdown of the cafeteria, etc. Same thing that happened in the US. However, when it happened in the US a lot of you all were all for it. Go figure.
BYW, this is not Foxconn or Apple, it is the CCP that is causing the lack of food, the shutdown of the cafeteria, etc. Same thing that happened in the US. However, when it happened in the US a lot of you all were all for it. Go figure.
Just one more reason to pull out of China all together and bring manufacturing back to the united states I would gladly pay more for the phone I get every year .
I applaud the empathy toward the workers. I share that feeling.
I don’t like seeing anyone suffer under bad working conditions.
What this article seems to talk about are tactical issues created by Foxconn’s decisions.
They don’t sound like issues Apple could have prevented by clauses in their contract with them.
If Apple decided to pay Foxconn double their current amount, would these issues go away or would Foxconn have higher profits?
I have my own criticisms of Apple, but I’m not sure what Apple was supposed to do about the problems outlined in this article.
I don’t like seeing anyone suffer under bad working conditions.
What this article seems to talk about are tactical issues created by Foxconn’s decisions.
They don’t sound like issues Apple could have prevented by clauses in their contract with them.
If Apple decided to pay Foxconn double their current amount, would these issues go away or would Foxconn have higher profits?
I have my own criticisms of Apple, but I’m not sure what Apple was supposed to do about the problems outlined in this article.
Sounds like much of this is tied to China's strict COVID policies - but it looks like a lot of people want to use this to blame Apple and discredit their human rights efforts (while inserting their political talking points). Very telling. I have neighbors and family members who do this with just about everything and at any chance they get.
Apple is the only major company (that I am aware of) that visited their partnering manufacturing companies when word got out that things were not great. Said companies made changes at Apple's requests, so I would imagine that what these people are going through (largely due to China's COVID policies) would be much worse had Apple not stepped in years ago.
Having said that, these are human beings and Apple needs to continue to monitor these factories and use their clout and trillions to make sure that conditions improve, but not sure how much power they'd have over the Chinese government and their strict laws. It's a very nuanced situation when you zoom out, there is no easy fix.
Suggesting that Apple should just 'pull out' of China is not realistic when you consider the amount of products they move, and we all know that Apple is actively looking to diversify its manufacturing and will enter other countries. So I will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that changes are in the works in this area before pointing fingers at just one company.
Apple is the only major company (that I am aware of) that visited their partnering manufacturing companies when word got out that things were not great. Said companies made changes at Apple's requests, so I would imagine that what these people are going through (largely due to China's COVID policies) would be much worse had Apple not stepped in years ago.
Having said that, these are human beings and Apple needs to continue to monitor these factories and use their clout and trillions to make sure that conditions improve, but not sure how much power they'd have over the Chinese government and their strict laws. It's a very nuanced situation when you zoom out, there is no easy fix.
Suggesting that Apple should just 'pull out' of China is not realistic when you consider the amount of products they move, and we all know that Apple is actively looking to diversify its manufacturing and will enter other countries. So I will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that changes are in the works in this area before pointing fingers at just one company.
Does it have to be binary? Are we limited to loving Apple and buying their products OR hating Apple and boycotting them? Can I be a customer with concerns and if enough people have concerns change might happen? I don’t pack my bags every time my country does something I disagree with.
I get the point you’re making but I don’t understand the criticism of people who are concerned about Foxconn working conditions.
Imagine in 2 years, iphones made in the USA, the high prices, the usa syndicate, imagine imagine?
and now the end is near and so we face the final curtain...
and now the end is near and so we face the final curtain...
Knowing absolutely nothing about product design or manufacturing...
Couldn't the iPhone be designed in a way that it could be assembled in the USA with a little bit of automation thrown in?
I mean we've got the hinge chassis of the 14 now. Apple has a lot of clout. Couldn't it be that they source lot of SIPs or pre-assembled parts that are relatively easily slotted into place in factories in the US?
Would it really be that expensive? Or does Apple fear lots of unionization?
I'm not American btw - I'm in the UK - but I would like to see manufacturing jobs return to the countries that are buying these products.
Couldn't the iPhone be designed in a way that it could be assembled in the USA with a little bit of automation thrown in?
I mean we've got the hinge chassis of the 14 now. Apple has a lot of clout. Couldn't it be that they source lot of SIPs or pre-assembled parts that are relatively easily slotted into place in factories in the US?
Would it really be that expensive? Or does Apple fear lots of unionization?
I'm not American btw - I'm in the UK - but I would like to see manufacturing jobs return to the countries that are buying these products.
Has anyone given any thought, I wonder, to how those people working for Apple over there feel about it? If Apple withdrew from China completely, would they be happy? Would their lives improve?
I have a hunch that quite the opposite would be true.
But virtue-signalling rhetoric seems to be quite fashionable these days. Free the slaves, they shout, while posting on the internet on the very devices that those slaves have made.
You are correct, if Apple were to leave China many workers would possibly be flung into poverty, but a company that claims to imbue all sorts of good things for the planet should be somewhat circumspect about the amount of hours and quality of working conditions these workers are enduring.
The west does need to change and diversify. But you as one person are not going to have much impact. Similar to climate change. Individual impact is negligible but companies like you to think you’re the problem. When in reality it’s the big corporations who have the power.
The food part of this rests mostly on the Chinese government and partially on FoxConn management. Apple probably wasn't aware the situation had gotten so dire, but now they should be, and they should step in to work with FoxConn to come up with a solution. The part that Apple definitely has the most leverage on is the non-payment of contractual bonuses. If FoxConn promised workers more pay to lure them back to work and then reneged I can certainly understand the workers' anger.