Apple has lost it's luster.

[Anandc]

The best reply to that video posted above, and absolutely spot-on.

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First, that's the only thing you could see from the video which shows how you compare things.

If this means Apple selling eco-system then yes, I'm sold!

I have an iPhone, AirPods, Apple TV 4K, MacBook Pro & Apple Watch and it's like living in the future

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Apple sells it's Eco-System while Google can't even compete against iOS while selling it's Android OS. BTW, just to let you know Google also has a small failed Eco-System like Chromebooks, Google Home, Pixel Smartphones and Chromecast. According to sales, Apple's Eco-System is better than Google's Eco-System

 

[FFR]

So I learned another new fact today. Well thank you as well, seems this forum has it's uses.

Anytime.
Every once in a while civility reads it’s ugly head.

 

[Anandc]

It's 2018 and people still think higher Geekbench scores translate to a perceivable difference in real-world performance?

Also, I can tell from the obvious debt he's accrued to the Apple ecosystem, based on the wall behind him, that he wouldn't be a fan of Android.

I bet you wouldn't say this if Samsung Note 9 had higher Geekbench results. Let's not get there lol!

 

[Shanghaichica]

First, that's the only thing you could see from the video which shows how you compare things.

If this means Apple selling eco-system then yes, I'm sold!

I have an iPhone, AirPods, Apple TV 4K, MacBook Pro & Apple Watch and it's like living in the future

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Apple sells it's Eco-System while Google can't even compete against iOS while selling it's Android OS. BTW, just to let you know Google also has a small failed Eco-System like Chromebooks, Google Home, Pixel Smartphones and Chromecast. According to sales, Apple's Eco-System is better than Google's Eco-System

The pixel phones don’t sell much but chrome books are on the rise and are the device of choice in schools now. Google home is also taking off and is projected to over take the echo in a few years.

The ecosystem isn’t as good as Apple’s imo over all but some of the individual parts are good sellers.

I enjoy my Apple devices but I don’t feel like I’m living in the future. I’ve had my Apple Watch since 2015 so it’s old hat to me know. My most exciting devices now are my HomePods.

 

[Cryates]

I bet you wouldn't say this if Samsung Note 9 had higher Geekbench results. Let's not get there lol!

I owned an iPhone X before the Note9, which benchmarks higher than the Note9, and from my actual experience the two perform equally. Any benchmark differences are neglible. I'm guessing you haven't owned both though, so you can't really add any actual experience-based thoughtfulness to the discussion.

 

[IdentityCrisis]

I don't know about the new iPhone but X has 200k vs 280k for note9/s9 antutu benchmark which test overall system performance instead of just CPU alone. And X has twice geekbench single core. But still lost big time in overall performance. And XS is just 15% better in terms of CPU mark. Can the XS even catch up?

Note 9



iPhone X

 

[Anandc]

I owned an iPhone X before the Note9, which benchmarks higher than the Note9, and from my actual experience the two perform equally. Any benchmark differences are neglible. I'm guessing you haven't owned both though, so you can't really add any actual experience-based thoughtfulness to the discussion.

Haven't used Note 9. Agreed!
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Note 9

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iPhone X

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I don't know where you got these results from but this is the latest one and for your reference there is a legit source too.

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Source:
https://bgr.com/2018/09/18/iphone-xs-max-vs-android-benchmarks-review-says-apple-wins/

 

[Applemaniac7]

Yeah and after 6 - 12 months of usage I know how fast it performs.

How so, when your only experience of android devices are lame ass Sony! ! Try using a decent android and you will think different.
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According to sales, Apple's Eco-System is better than Google's Eco-System

This alone invalidates every post you have ever written, it show you have no concept of the meaning of the word " better" .

Are ford's better than ferraris ?, they must be according to your logic..

 

[Anandc]

How so, when your only experience of android devices are lame ass Sony! ! Try using a decent android and you will think different.
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This alone invalidates every post you have ever written, it show you have no concept of the meaning of the word " better" .

Are ford's better than ferraris ?, they must be according to your logic..

So you agree Ford is Google and Apple is Ferrari

 

[Shanghaichica]

I owned an iPhone X before the Note9, which benchmarks higher than the Note9, and from my actual experience the two perform equally. Any benchmark differences are neglible. I'm guessing you haven't owned both though, so you can't really add any actual experience-based thoughtfulness to the discussion.

I agree I’m sitting here with an iPhone X and as I’ve been saying for a while now the processors in phones are good enough. There is nothing that I would do on my phone that needs the horsepower of the A12 let alone the A11 in my current phone.

 

[Michael Goff]

So you agree Ford is Google and Apple is Ferrari

No. Unless I'm reading it wrong, he's saying Apple is the Ford.

 

[Applemaniac7]

No. Unless I'm reading it wrong, he's saying Apple is the Ford.

I'm not saying either, I'm saying sales are not a benchmark for better, best, supreme, awesome or any similar words of that ilk.

 

[Anandc]

Read the thread topic and then comment. It's not about if you are happy with iPhone X or Geekbench results does matter to you or not.

iPhone X is the Best Smartphone in the World and we have already discussed for the last 11 pages. It depends on the user to user but Apple's eco system + iOS security and supreme build quality has no match to Android OS or even any Android Manufacturer when it comes to 7nm A12 Bionic Chip.

At the same time, sales also do matter and Apple sells 1-2 smartphones in a year and they are much ahead in sales compared to any SINGLE Android Smartphone.

So hence, Apple has not lost their touch, it's time other manufacturers come up with something really original like Samsung came up with Curved Screen and in-display fingerprint sensor by Vivo and 3D Scan by Sony.

 

[Applemaniac7]

Read the thread topic and then comment. It's not about if you are happy with iPhone X or Geekbench results does matter to you or not.

iPhone X is the Best Smartphone in the World and we have already discussed for the last 11 pages. It depends on the user to user but Apple's eco system + iOS security and supreme build quality has no match to Android OS or even any Android Manufacturer when it comes to 7nm A12 Bionic Chip.

At the same time, sales also do matter and Apple sells 1-2 smartphones in a year and they are much ahead in sales compared to any SINGLE Android Smartphone.

So hence, Apple has not lost their touch, it's time other manufacturers come up with something really original like Samsung came up with Curved Screen and in-display fingerprint sensor by Vivo and 3D Scan by Sony.

Sounds more like you are trying to convince . yourself more than others when you are persistently banging on about the same points, over and over....

What happened, did an android user steal your girlfriend...

 

[Shanghaichica]

Read the thread topic and then comment. It's not about if you are happy with iPhone X or Geekbench results does matter to you or not.

iPhone X is the Best Smartphone in the World and we have already discussed for the last 11 pages. It depends on the user to user but Apple's eco system + iOS security and supreme build quality has no match to Android OS or even any Android Manufacturer when it comes to 7nm A12 Bionic Chip.

At the same time, sales also do matter and Apple sells 1-2 smartphones in a year and they are much ahead in sales compared to any SINGLE Android Smartphone.

So hence, Apple has not lost their touch, it's time other manufacturers come up with something really original like Samsung came up with Curved Screen and in-display fingerprint sensor by Vivo and 3D Scan by Sony.

Best phone is a subjective measure. I have an iPhone X but it all depends on what the user wants. Not everyone wants to be in the Apple ecosystem. There are more people in the world using android than iOS. Even in Europe where people can afford iPhones android is more popular.

 

[Anandc]

Sounds more like you are trying to convince . yourself more than others when you are persistently banging on about the same points, over and over....

What happened, did an android user steal your girlfriend...

Sounds like you have nothing to say

 

[decafjava]

Sounds like you have nothing to say

Dude, I am as big an Apple fan as you but you are really going a bit overboard with the snide remarks and not convincing anyone.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

No innovation beyond the bar far most powerful mobile chip in the industry? What about a class-leading screen that somehow outpaces Samsung's own?

Disregard all that and read this: https://daringfireball.net/2018/09/the_iphones_xs

No innovation? Apple is essentially leveraging class leading silicon, and widening the gap, and this is IMO largely to keep pace with Google. Pixel phones don't need that level of power because it can rely heavily on google cloud computing, which is another debate in of itself. But to state that Apple isn't innovating is ridiculous and ill thought out on your end.

-Best SmartWatch/Health Tracker? Apple
-Best all-around Bluetooth headphones? Apple - even android websites recommend airpods for android phones.
-Best tablets? - Apple, as Android on a table, is garbage (wait for chrome-os?) and window 10's inherent advantage is in 2 in 1s.
-Best mobile silicon and architecture? Apple
-Best sounds smart speaker - Apple (sound, not smart...which is why I bought it).
-Best phone or OS- debatable
-Best Assitant - Google
*Also faceID is very innovative rather you like it or not. Don't believe me? Most android phones, including the upcoming pixel, have a Notch. Others have a Notch and a much, much less secure version of face unlock.
-Best laptop/desktop OS? -debatable, but I prefer Windows 10


You can have your own biases, but to claim Apple isn't innovating is ignorant at best. I could ask you why you are wasting our time, but then I just took 5 minutes to type this up. So I can only blame myself.

 

[Shanghaichica]

No innovation beyond the bar far most powerful mobile chip in the industry? What about a class-leading screen that somehow outpaces Samsung's own?

Disregard all that and read this: https://daringfireball.net/2018/09/the_iphones_xs

No innovation? Apple is essentially leveraging class leading silicon, and widening the gap, and this is IMO largely to keep pace with Google. Pixel phones don't need that level of power because it can rely heavily on google cloud computing, which is another debate in of itself. But to state that Apple isn't innovating is ridiculous and ill thought out on your end.

-Best SmartWatch/Health Tracker? Apple
-Best all-around Bluetooth headphones? Apple - even android websites recommend airpods for android phones.
-Best tablets? - Apple, as Android on a table, is garbage (wait for chrome-os?) and window 10's inherent advantage is in 2 in 1s.
-Best mobile silicon and architecture? Apple
-Best sounds smart speaker - Apple (sound, not smart...which is why I bought it).
-Best phone or OS- debatable
-Best Assitant - Google
*Also faceID is very innovative rather you like it or not. Don't believe me? Most android phones, including the upcoming pixel, have a Notch. Others have a Notch and a much, much less secure version of face unlock.
-Best laptop/desktop OS? -debatable, but I prefer Windows 10


You can have your own biases, but to claim Apple isn't innovating is ignorant at best. I could ask you why you are wasting our time, but then I just took 5 minutes to type this up. So I can only blame myself.

I don't doubt that the iPhone X max will be the reigning screen champion again but I'd rather wait until display mate makes that declaration as they are more qualified than daring fire ball.

Apple bought face ID so I don't think they can take credit for that. I love my AirPods. luckily for me I'm not much of an audiophile so the sound quality is fine for me but there are bluetooth headphones out there with much better sound quality.

Speaker- I have an echo and my homepods sound better than my echos. Ive never used a google home max but I don't think I'd like it based on the reviews of it being base heavy. However I am aware that there are sonos speakers out there that sound better than the homepod and run Alexa. I think that my home pods sound great but I won't kid myself that they are the absolute best.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

I don't doubt that the iPhone X max will be the reigning screen champion again but I'd rather wait until display mate makes that declaration as they are more qualified than daring fire ball.

Apple bought face ID so I don't think they can take credit for that. I love my AirPods. luckily for me I'm not much of an audiophile so the sound quality is fine for me but there are bluetooth headphones out there with much better sound quality.

Speaker- I have an echo and my homepods sound better than my echos. Ive never used a google home max but I don't think I'd like it based on the reviews of it being base heavy. However I am aware that there are sonos speakers out there that sound better than the homepod and run Alexa. I think that my home pods sound great but I won't kid myself that they are the absolute best.

It is all relative. Yes there are better sounding speakers, but a speaker with smart functionality for that price mark, Apple sounds the best (last time I checked). I am not referring to the higher end sonos.

Regarding the screen, I wasn't intending to reference daring fireball on that. The iPhone XS will have class-leading screen accuracy if history is any indicator, but it will be up to personal preference on what is "best". Daring fireball went into depth on the actual physics of the camera module and design, and the sheer level of machine learning and computing power the new iPhone is performing in real-time, on the device, and it is highly impressive. That doesn't mean it will be better than a photo subjected to google's cloud computing algorithm, which theoretically should get better every day and is likely already better. I am involved in the tech commercialization and innovation industry, and I find things like this fascinating.

There are indeed better sounding wireless headphones. My bose wireless soundsports frees (whatever they are called) sound better in a number of ways. But I gave them to my wife to use with her Pixel Xl 2 when I bought airpods. The Airpods win as a whole package on ease of use, convenience, size, sound, mic quality, etc. Its nit-picking, but I carry my headphones with me at all times. The size of the airpod case is perfect, while the bose was too big. The airpods have better connectivity. So all in all, they (for now) still offer the best all-around package.

Apple did indeed buy faceID....but they bought it and they implemented it in an innovative way. The Microsoft kinect was the first to try the tech. Buying a company may not be innovative, but Google bought Nest and I consider the Nest thermostat to be an innovative product. If a company buys something and makes it better then they are innovating that product. Lots of people have great ideas and innovative tech, but identifying the market and implementing a product to scale in a way that people will buy is hard to do. Apple has mastered this in a way that no other company has, and in turn has fostered a outstand brand loyalty.

None-the-less, we can argue over what is what, but the point is Apple is an innovative company, as is Microsoft, Google, and Samsung. Apple I already argued above. Microsoft is doing some neat things with azure and behind the scene stuff, but honestly, I haven't kept up on them recently (I love my windows 10 xps 9560 and my home-built desktop). Samsung is the maker of the best mobile screens on the market, some innovative mobile camera tech, and a rumored foldable smartphone which sounds like star-trek. Google's AI is far more advanced than anyone realizes and can already identify cancer based off of histology photos at a faster and more accurate rate than the most experienced doctors. I have experience in this, and its outstanding to know that a computer can do it better than I can...just don't tell my committee when I defend my dissertation next month haha.

 

[FFR]

Apple bought face ID so I don't think they can take credit for that. I love my AirPods. luckily for me I'm not much of an audiophile so the sound quality is fine for me but there are bluetooth headphones out there with much better sound quality.

Are you being serious?

Apple bought the company that made the Kinect sensor that Microsoft offered with Xbox, and turned it into Face ID.

This is what they bought:

And this is what they developed it into:

You think that was easy, and anyone could have done it, they would have, especially Microsoft. but they didn’t, did they?
Microsoft felt the best use of for that technology was putting it in the living room to use as a hands free solution for the Xbox, Apple made it into a secure biometric solution, that is the very definition of the word innovation, whether you choose to believe it or not, that’s on you.

Btw, what is the competition up to?
Another fingerprint sensor, yeah because they can’t copy Face ID. Smh.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

Are you being serious?

Apple bought the company that made the Kinect sensor that Microsoft offered with Xbox, and turned it into Face ID.

This is what they bought:

And this is what they developed it into:

You think that was easy, and anyone could have done it, they would have, especially Microsoft. but they didn’t, did they?
Microsoft felt the best use of for that technology was putting it in the living room to use as a hands free solution for the Xbox, Apple made it into a secure biometric solution, that is the very definition of the word innovation, whether you choose to believe it or not, that’s on you.

Btw, what is the competition up to?
Another fingerprint sensor, yeah because they can’t copy Face ID. Smh.

A perfect example of what I was saying. A company can buy a technology and innovate it into something much greater than its original product vision or implementation.

Here is something else to consider. Intellectual Property. Apple had to buy this company to use it IPs or at the very least license it. It is likely the purchase of the company brought some expertise with it, just like when Google bought HTC. But even if Apple wanted to make face ID without buying said company, said company already had IP on the tech that was best suited for FaceID. It's much more complicated than "Apple buys a company because it can't innovate".

 

[Shanghaichica]

It is all relative. Yes there are better sounding speakers, but a speaker with smart functionality for that price mark, Apple sounds the best (last time I checked). I am not referring to the higher end sonos.

Regarding the screen, I wasn't intending to reference daring fireball on that. The iPhone XS will have class-leading screen accuracy if history is any indicator, but it will be up to personal preference on what is "best". Daring fireball went into depth on the actual physics of the camera module and design, and the sheer level of machine learning and computing power the new iPhone is performing in real-time, on the device, and it is highly impressive. That doesn't mean it will be better than a photo subjected to google's cloud computing algorithm, which theoretically should get better every day and is likely already better. I am involved in the tech commercialization and innovation industry, and I find things like this fascinating.

There are indeed better sounding wireless headphones. My bose wireless soundsports frees (whatever they are called) sound better in a number of ways. But I gave them to my wife to use with her Pixel Xl 2 when I bought airpods. The Airpods win as a whole package on ease of use, convenience, size, sound, mic quality, etc. Its nit-picking, but I carry my headphones with me at all times. The size of the airpod case is perfect, while the bose was too big. The airpods have better connectivity. So all in all, they (for now) still offer the best all-around package.

Apple did indeed buy faceID....but they bought it and they implemented it in an innovative way. The Microsoft kinect was the first to try the tech. Buying a company may not be innovative, but Google bought Nest and I consider the Nest thermostat to be an innovative product. If a company buys something and makes it better then they are innovating that product. Lots of people have great ideas and innovative tech, but identifying the market and implementing a product to scale in a way that people will buy is hard to do. Apple has mastered this in a way that no other company has, and in turn has fostered a outstand brand loyalty.

None-the-less, we can argue over what is what, but the point is Apple is an innovative company, as is Microsoft, Google, and Samsung. Apple I already argued above. Microsoft is doing some neat things with azure and behind the scene stuff, but honestly, I haven't kept up on them recently (I love my windows 10 xps 9560 and my home-built desktop). Samsung is the maker of the best mobile screens on the market, some innovative mobile camera tech, and a rumored foldable smartphone which sounds like star-trek. Google's AI is far more advanced than anyone realizes and can already identify cancer based off of histology photos at a faster and more accurate rate than the most experienced doctors. I have experience in this, and its outstanding to know that a computer can do it better than I can...just don't tell my committee when I defend my dissertation next month haha.

I agree that Apple should get credit for the way they implement things. I think the android OEMs are better at developing new features however often the implementation is poor or they forget about it or don’t harness it properly. I don’t think Apple are that good at coming up with entirely new features but are good at taking existing features and polishing them up and implementing them in a way that’s useful and meaningful to a mass market.

The thing about Face ID is that it was bought, which in itself is not a problem. It’s just that the concept of facial recognition has been around for some time. It’s been on android since 2012, although it’s implementation was poor until recently. Also Microsoft. So yeah whilst Face ID works great and is the best implementation it wasn’t a big leap considering it’s been around for so long.

I also have a pair of Bluetooth headphones which sound better than my airpods but my airpods are just more convenient. However I think Samsung have their own gear icon X headphones which came out before the airpods and they basically do the same thing. The only thing I’d say about the icon X or even the pixel buds is that I don’t think I’d find them that comfortable.

Yes the google assistant is light years ahead.

The A12 is powerhouse but I just wish Apple would actually have things on their devices that could really take advantage of all that power.
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A perfect example of what I was saying. A company can buy a technology and innovate it into something much greater than its original product vision or implementation.

Here is something else to consider. Intellectual Property. Apple had to buy this company to use it IPs or at the very least license it. It is likely the purchase of the company brought some expertise with it, just like when Google bought HTC. But even if Apple wanted to make face ID without buying said company, said company already had IP on the tech that was best suited for FaceID. It's much more complicated than "Apple buys a company because it can't innovate".

I didn’t say Apple can’t innovate I just don’t think Face ID is a good example of them being innovative.

They bought Touch ID but I think their implantation of that was more impressive.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

I agree that Apple should get credit for the way they implement things. I think the android OEMs are better at developing new features however often the implementation is poor or they forget about it or don’t harness it properly. I don’t think Apple are that good at coming up with entirely new features but are good at taking existing features and polishing them up and implementing them in a way that’s useful and meaningful to a mass market.

The thing about Face ID is that it was bought, which in itself is not a problem. It’s just that the concept of facial recognition has been around for some time. It’s been on android since 2012, although it’s implementation was poor until recently. Also Microsoft. So yeah whilst Face ID works great and is the best implementation it wasn’t a big leap considering it’s been around for so long.

I also have a pair of Bluetooth headphones which sound better than my airpods but my airpods are just more convenient. However I think Samsung have their own gear icon X headphones which came out before the airpods and they basically do the same thing. The only thing I’d say about the icon X or even the pixel buds is that I don’t think I’d find them that comfortable.

Yes the google assistant is light years ahead.

The A12 is powerhouse but I just wish Apple would actually have things on their devices that could really take advantage of all that power.
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I didn’t say Apple can’t innovate I just don’t think Face ID is a good example of them being innovative.

They bought Touch ID but I think their implantation of that was more impressive.

Fair enough.

The sheer power of their mobile chip is impressive, and you can see where it may be implemented in a Mac soon. But I think they may be utilizing this power more than we realize. All the smarts on the iPhone, from photography to smart features in the new photo apps, siri shortcuts, etc (yes, largely playing catch-up with google assitant/photo/etc) is done on the device. This is why some of the features, such as the photo app, requires being on the charger to do its indexing. Google does this all dynamically in the cloud. Honestly, I think a large part of Apple pioneering in mobile chip architecture is attempting to keep up with Google's cloud platform while maintaining their stance on privacy. That and AR, I guess.

 

[michael9891]

There's some in here making valid points. And then some who feel the need to justify that their device or products they own are better than someone else's. I'm surprised you have time to enjoy them.