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Shanghaichica

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AirPods and Apple Watch, which are actually innovative and are leading the market to this day.
They aren’t revolutionary because we had smartwatches and Bluetooth headphones long before they came out. However I think the Apple Watch is the best smart watch on the market and the airpods are nice.
 
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They aren’t revolutionary because we had smartwatches and Bluetooth headphones long before they came out. However I think the Apple Watch is the best smart watch on the market and the airpods are nice.
They existed before but they didn't work as good as Apple ones, the whole watch industry belongs to Apple right now, that shows how much the product is innovative just like the first iPhone. AirPods are light, convenient, decent sounding and truly wireless, take with a recharging case that can easily charge them in less than 10 minutes and last through a whole day. They also sync between all of your devices so there's no need to pair them everytime like on Android and they don't lose connection ever. Innovation also comes inside the package take for example the Apple watch speaker mechanism which throws the water away after you take a swim with it so it won't damage the device, that's innovation aswell. People don't see it but it's felt and that's the small details that matter and make Apple costumers the most loyal ones.
 

Shanghaichica

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They existed before but they didn't work as good as Apple ones, the whole watch industry belongs to Apple right now, that shows how much the product is innovative just like the first iPhone. AirPods are light, convenient, decent sounding and truly wireless, take with a recharging case that can easily charge them in less than 10 minutes and last through a whole day. They also sync between all of your devices so there's no need to pair them everytime like on Android and they don't lose connection ever. Innovation also comes inside the package take for example the Apple watch speaker mechanism which throws the water away after you take a swim with it so it won't damage the device, that's innovation aswell. People don't see it but it's felt and that's the small details that matter and make Apple costumers the most loyal ones.
Whilst the Apple Watch is better than Samsung’s watches imo, apart from the ECG and irregular heartbeat detection there isn’t really anything the Apple Watch can do that the galaxy watches can’t.

I’ve seen that the galaxy watch can do that water ejection thing too. I’m not sure who had the feature first. The watch is supposed to be water resistant and is marketed as being able to be used for swimming so it shouldn’t be getting damaged in a swimming pool. The galaxy watches have also been water resistant for a while.

I can tell you that my airpods have lost the connection with my MacBook a few times. The not needing to repair with other devices is great and makes them very convenient to use.

The charging case was not Apple’s idea. Even Samsung had their own wireless earbuds out (gear icon X) before the airpods and they came in a case which charged them. Samsung were not the first to do that either.

I used some Samsung Bluetooth headphones with my Samsung phones in 2012-2014 and they did not drop their connection.


I agree that Apple make lots of great devices and their ecosystem is what makes people fans.

I have lots of Apple devices which I like but I Won’t sit here and say that they are all revolutionary.
 
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Whilst the Apple Watch is better than Samsung’s watches imo, apart from the ECG and irregular heartbeat detection there isn’t really anything the Apple Watch can do that the galaxy watches can’t.

I’ve seen that the galaxy watch can do that water ejection thing too. I’m not sure who had the feature first. The watch is supposed to be water resistant and is marketed as being able to be used for swimming so it shouldn’t be getting damaged in a swimming pool. The galaxy watches have also been water resistant for a while.

I can tell you that my airpods have lost the connection with my MacBook a few times. The not needing to repair with other devices is great and makes them very convenient to use.

I used some Samsung Bluetooth headphones with my Samsung phones in 2012-2014 and they did not drop their connection.


I agree that Apple make lots of great devices and their ecosystem is what makes people fans.

I have lots of Apple devices which I like but I Won’t sit here and say that they are all revolutionary.
I only lost connection with my AirPods on my Note 8, I usually have to pair it 4-6 times because it pairs, starts playing music and then it disconnects, never had this happening on my Macs or iPhones. The Galaxy watch is ugly in my opinion, that kept me from getting one because I can't understand how they though that design was attractive, but to each their own and what's ugly for me might be pretty for you and that's ok. Feature wise watchOS looks to be much more attractive than Tizen. I'm not sure if the Galaxy Watch has the ejection feature but I do know Apple has introduced it with the Apple Watch Series 2.
 

jamezr

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Wonder what Google & Android came up with any revolutionary feature ever
Features?
Well Apple has copied a lot of these features so I guess are are pretty great

Larger displays
Wireless charging
Copy and paste
water proofing
dual camera smartphones
tap to wake
raise to wake
NFC support
OLED displays
VR & AR

There is a bunch more but I'll stop here.
But just so you know they both copy from each other.
 

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Features?
Well Apple has copied a lot of these features so I guess are are pretty great

Larger displays
Wireless charging
Copy and paste
water proofing
dual camera smartphones
tap to wake
raise to wake
NFC support
OLED displays
VR & AR

There is a bunch more but I'll stop here.
But just so you know they both copy from each other.
They did copy, but are you sure they copied Copy and paste? Source?
 

jamezr

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They did copy, but are you sure they copied Copy and paste? Source?
I thought this was a given.....

Here is 101 more things Android had first with sources below. But now if you are asking me for sources....you will provide them as well right? For anything you post too....its only fair.
I see a lot of people post things here without sources...that go unchallenged

Just so everyone knows....I think they BOTH copy from eachother. Thats a good thing imho. It makes for more feature rich products for us consumers.

https://android.gadgethacks.com/news/101-features-android-phones-had-before-iphones-0184066/
 
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Anandc

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Features?
Well Apple has copied a lot of these features so I guess are are pretty great

Larger displays
Wireless charging
Copy and paste
water proofing
dual camera smartphones
tap to wake
raise to wake
NFC support
OLED displays
VR & AR

There is a bunch more but I'll stop here.
But just so you know they both copy from each other.

Lol
 

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I thought this was a given.....

Here is 101 more things Android had first with sources below. But now if you are asking me for sources....you will provide them as well right? For anything you post too....its only fair.
I see a lot of people post things here without sources...that go unchallenged

Just so everyone knows....I think they BOTH copy from eachother. Thats a good thing imho. It makes for more feature rich products for us consumers.

https://android.gadgethacks.com/news/101-features-android-phones-had-before-iphones-0184066/
True, I was just curious because I thought Apple was the first to introduce Copy and paste. They did make it useful though and not only tied to the browser.
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Nice counter argument. "lmao".
 

Anandc

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I thought this was a given.....

Here is 101 more things Android had first with sources below. But now if you are asking me for sources....you will provide them as well right? For anything you post too....its only fair.
I see a lot of people post things here without sources...that go unchallenged

Just so everyone knows....I think they BOTH copy from eachother. Thats a good thing imho. It makes for more feature rich products for us consumers.

https://android.gadgethacks.com/news/101-features-android-phones-had-before-iphones-0184066/

Fair enough but if you tell these are all revolutionary features like Face ID / Touch ID / Multitouch Screen / iPod / App Store / Apple's latest 7nm Chip / Siri - are the first in smartphone industry working accurately without any issue.

When Apple launched these features, it completely changed what we see today.
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True, I was just curious because I thought Apple was the first to introduce Copy and paste. They did make it useful though and not only tied to the browser.
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Nice counter argument. "lmao".

Thanks
 

jamezr

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Fair enough but if you tell these are all revolutionary features like Face ID / Touch ID / Multitouch Screen / iPod / App Store / Apple's latest 7nm Chip / Siri - are the first in smartphone industry working accurately without any issue.

When Apple launched these features, it completely changed what we see today.
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Thanks
C'Mon dude......are you seriously saying Siri works without issues?
Apple does a lot of really great things. But they also do some not so great things.......all companies are like that though.
That's why it is best to not let your brand loyalty get in the way of reality.
 

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The fact that it's 2018 and they have the balls to release a phone that could potentially cost upwards of $1400 without fast charging in the box really shows you that they're all about nickel and diming the consumer on a whole other level than they have been in the past.

I fully believe that under Jobs quick charging would have been in the box. The fact that you have to pay an additional $70 to use a feature that makes the phone experience itself better is just ridiculous IMO.
 

Anandc

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C'Mon dude......are you seriously saying Siri works without issues?
Apple does a lot of really great things. But they also do some not so great things.......all companies are like that though.
That's why it is best to not let your brand loyalty get in the way of reality.

Siri works properly but does much less things than Google Assistant and we all know it's due to security reasons.

As I said, there are revolutionary features made by Apple which nobody has ever done it.

Just like how Bill Gates changed the world through Microsoft Windows but now it surely lacks luster. While I do agree that Apple has not really come up with something more revolutionary like Multitouch back then but it surely going ahead with Face ID and Touch ID and it's Bionic Chips.

There's nothing about brand loyalty. If I'm talking about Apple so is you and others talking about Android and other Android manufacturers. Both of us are not paid by those companies and yet we are here answering each other because we have strong opinions about what we are using and I like to think it that way rather than saying I'm a troll or an Apple Fanboy.
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The fact that it's 2018 and they have the balls to release a phone that could potentially cost upwards of $1400 without fast charging in the box really shows you that they're all about nickel and diming the consumer on a whole other level than they have been in the past.

I fully believe that under Jobs quick charging would have been in the box. The fact that you have to pay an additional $70 to use a feature that makes the phone experience itself better is just ridiculous IMO.

Absolutely bang on.

If you buy Apple's 5W Power Adaptor it will cost you 19USD. If you buy Apple's 12W Power Adaptor it will cost you the same 19USD.

I don't understand how hard it is for Apple to include 12W Power Adaptor which charges iPhones & iPad quick. Both are the same price and it's bloody 2018. Are you kidding with me?

Also, I hate that iPhone XR doesn't support 1080p display. That's ridiculous. We have entered with so much of 4K content and you are giving us 720p while in that same smartphone it has almost all the flagship features.

I'm only disappointed with these 2 things. It's 2018, C'mon Apple!
 

jamezr

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Siri works properly but does much less things than Google Assistant and we all know it's due to security reasons.

As I said, there are revolutionary features made by Apple which nobody has ever done it.

Just like how Bill Gates changed the world through Microsoft Windows but now it surely lacks luster. While I do agree that Apple has not really come up with something more revolutionary like Multitouch back then but it surely going ahead with Face ID and Touch ID and it's Bionic Chips.

There's nothing about brand loyalty. If I'm talking about Apple so is you and others talking about Android and other Android manufacturers. Both of us are not paid by those companies and yet we are here answering each other because we have strong opinions about what we are using and I like to think it that way rather than saying I'm a troll or an Apple Fanboy.
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Absolutely bang on.

If you buy Apple's 5W Power Adaptor it will cost you 19USD. If you buy Apple's 12W Power Adaptor it will cost you the same 19USD.

I don't understand how hard it is for Apple to include 12W Power Adaptor which charges iPhones & iPad quick. Both are the same price and it's bloody 2018. Are you kidding with me?

Also, I hate that iPhone XR doesn't support 1080p display. That's ridiculous. We have entered with so much of 4K content and you are giving us 720p while in that same smartphone it has almost all the flagship features.

I'm only disappointed with these 2 things. It's 2018, C'mon Apple!
I think GA is better than Siri because it has more features like contextual questions and answers....not because of security reasons.

Apple did not do multi touch first though
I agree with you on TouchID and the Bionic chips....not so much with FaceID to be honest. But those are just my opinions.

As I said, there are revolutionary features made by Apple which nobody has ever done it.

What are those features? Can you name a few?
 

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Siri works properly but does much less things than Google Assistant and we all know it's due to security reasons.

As I said, there are revolutionary features made by Apple which nobody has ever done it.

Just like how Bill Gates changed the world through Microsoft Windows but now it surely lacks luster. While I do agree that Apple has not really come up with something more revolutionary like Multitouch back then but it surely going ahead with Face ID and Touch ID and it's Bionic Chips.

There's nothing about brand loyalty. If I'm talking about Apple so is you and others talking about Android and other Android manufacturers. Both of us are not paid by those companies and yet we are here answering each other because we have strong opinions about what we are using and I like to think it that way rather than saying I'm a troll or an Apple Fanboy.
[doublepost=1537541791][/doublepost]

Absolutely bang on.

If you buy Apple's 5W Power Adaptor it will cost you 19USD. If you buy Apple's 12W Power Adaptor it will cost you the same 19USD.

I don't understand how hard it is for Apple to include 12W Power Adaptor which charges iPhones & iPad quick. Both are the same price and it's bloody 2018. Are you kidding with me?

Also, I hate that iPhone XR doesn't support 1080p display. That's ridiculous. We have entered with so much of 4K content and you are giving us 720p while in that same smartphone it has almost all the flagship features.

I'm only disappointed with these 2 things. It's 2018, C'mon Apple!
If people buy the same expensive phone with 5W adaptor and waste $19 more for the 12W, then they have no reason to include it in the box. But then the defensors come up with the same lame excuses such as "the phone would get too hot while fast charging", "fast charging would damage the battery" until Apple finally includes it and then suddently becomes something magical and necessary, just like it happened with big screens and OLED "ohhhh 4" is enough more than that is just awful it's almost like a refrigerator" or "LCD is much better because it's color accurate and stuff".
Atleast you agree with the 1080p screen resolution on the XR. It seems that the folks on the iPhone forum do not like to be pointed out about that. :confused:
These are the type of arguments that you cannot discuss in the iPhone forum because they come at you "united" and use lame excuses as always to counter facts.
 
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Harthag

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The thing that is most unacceptable to me with iPhone: Apple treats OLED the same as LCD. My XS delivers later so I haven't seen it yet. But TrueTone was awful on my X compared to my 8. They didn't optimize that at all. Also there is no excuse to not have an "always on display" feature. How notifications have been neglected for this long by Apple is baffling to me. It is borderline inexcusable.

Having been back on my 8 for the past two days preparing for my XS, I really miss my Pixel 2 XL that I also have been using. Android 8 and 9 have really caught up with and surpassed iOS, in my humble opinion. It isn't even close. The only thing iOS has over Android, in my world, is iMessage. Tried Google maps with CarPlay yesterday for the first time, wow. Android Auto is so much better. Google has a lot of optimization they need to implement for CarPlay.

Again, just my opinion...don't hate me...I use iOS and Android simultaneously because I enjoy it.
 

Tig Bitties

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I have been with Android since the classic Nexus-One. Have owned probably 15 Android phones over the years since, and 3 iPhone. And I just cannot get comfortable with iOS, feels so jarring and messy and not well thought out, compared to stock Android.

Little things the way iOS work bug the heck out of me, making it a frustrating experience and just awful OS for me.

But kudos to Apple on making the best hardware and beautifully designed devices. It's just their OS sucks in my opinion.
 

nviz22

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Features?
Well Apple has copied a lot of these features so I guess are are pretty great

Larger displays
Wireless charging
Copy and paste
water proofing
dual camera smartphones
tap to wake
raise to wake
NFC support
OLED displays
VR & AR

There is a bunch more but I'll stop here.
But just so you know they both copy from each other.

I actually appreciated Apple copying these features. It took a 5S (which was decent in its own right, just hated small size of it at the time) and helped reconfigure the iPhone into the X/XS/XS Max and other legacy devices.

If you're not using industry best practices and offerings, then what's the point of competing?
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I have been with Android since the classic Nexus-One. Have owned probably 15 Android phones over the years since, and 3 iPhone. And I just cannot get comfortable with iOS, feels so jarring and messy and not well thought out, compared to stock Android.

Little things the way iOS work bug the heck out of me, making it a frustrating experience and just awful OS for me.

But kudos to Apple on making the best hardware and beautifully designed devices. It's just their OS sucks in my opinion.

I think iOS 13 will be more feature fledged. As I am committed all into iOS now, I have no option but to wait anyways. But if Android works well for you, no shame in that because there are some great devices. I think the OnePlus 6T is the one Android device to buy in the next month or so.
 

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I actually appreciated Apple copying these features. It took a 5S (which was decent in its own right, just hated small size of it at the time) and helped reconfigure the iPhone into the X/XS/XS Max and other legacy devices.

If you're not using industry best practices and offerings, then what's the point of competing?
The thing is that all of those features were highly criticized back in the day by the fans when not available on iPhone. When Apple copied them they were praised like it was something revolutionary just like the latest OLED addition to the iPhone when most of OLED bashers back in the day, can't go back to the LCD now. Water proofing? "why would I swim with my phone? thats just a gimmick" and now we have IP68 on the XS... These are just some examples.
 
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