Apple has lost it's luster.

[jamezr]

I didn’t say Apple can’t innovate I just don’t think Face ID is a good example of them being innovative.

They bought Touch ID but I think their implantation of that was more impressive.

If I remember right Apple bought a FPS company as well but could not get under display technology to work so they went with Face ID. I'll bet given the choice of iPhone Xs and Xs Max with Face ID or Touch ID with or without under display FPS.....I'll bet models with Touch ID would outsell the models with Face ID. That's just my opinion......

I'm a huge Apple fan.......have had every iPhone since the first one and upgrade every year. But I am not blinded by brand loyalty to believe Apple does everything better than the competition.
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There's some in here making valid points. And then some who feel the need to justify that their device or products they own are better than someone else's. I'm surprised you have time to enjoy them.

it is funny that those you mention spend so much time in the alternative section stating their opinion as facts....

 

[pika2000]

Are you being serious?

Apple bought the company that made the Kinect sensor that Microsoft offered with Xbox, and turned it into Face ID.

This is what they bought:

And this is what they developed it into:

You think that was easy, and anyone could have done it, they would have, especially Microsoft. but they didn’t, did they?
Microsoft felt the best use of for that technology was putting it in the living room to use as a hands free solution for the Xbox, Apple made it into a secure biometric solution, that is the very definition of the word innovation, whether you choose to believe it or not, that’s on you.

Btw, what is the competition up to?
Another fingerprint sensor, yeah because they can’t copy Face ID. Smh.

Spot on bro. Microsoft, supposedly the pioneer in this tech, cannot even implement Windows Hello as seamless as FaceID.

People only thinks "innovation" as something shiny like animated wallpapers or making random new stuff every couple of months (which is what many Android OEMs are doing, like the mechanical front facing camera stuff). They forgot the real innovation in silicon. Apple is expanding their expertise in silicon, ranging from the Ax chip to the various Sx, Wx, and Tx chips. Slowly, but surely. This is, and will be huge. People just don't realise it yet. These things don't just come out overnight. Apple is building up, and the fruits will come decades later.

 

[Shanghaichica]

If I remember right Apple bought a FPS company as well but could not get under display technology to work so they went with Face ID. I'll bet given the choice of iPhone Xs and Xs Max with Face ID or Touch ID with or without under display FPS.....I'll bet models with Touch ID would outsell the models with Face ID. That's just my opinion......

I'm a huge Apple fan.......have had every iPhone since the first one and upgrade every year. But I am not blinded by brand loyalty to believe Apple does everything better than the competition.
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it is funny that those you mention spend so much time in the alternative section stating their opinion as facts....

I personally would have preferred Touch ID under the display to Face ID.

 

[jamezr]

I personally would have preferred Touch ID under the display to Face ID.

Same here......It is more user friendly and adds a better user experience and requires less effort to get to the home screen and use the phone.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Spot on bro. Microsoft, supposedly the pioneer in this tech, cannot even implement Windows Hello as seamless as FaceID.

People only thinks "innovation" as something shiny like animated wallpapers or making random new stuff every couple of months (which is what many Android OEMs are doing, like the mechanical front facing camera stuff). They forgot the real innovation in silicon. Apple is expanding their expertise in silicon, ranging from the Ax chip to the various Sx, Wx, and Tx chips. Slowly, but surely. This is, and will be huge. People just don't realise it yet. These things don't just come out overnight. Apple is building up, and the fruits will come decades later.

Perhaps so but google are also innovating heavily with AI and that will also be huge.

 

[FFR]

Spot on bro. Microsoft, supposedly the pioneer in this tech, cannot even implement Windows Hello as seamless as FaceID.

People only thinks "innovation" as something shiny like animated wallpapers or making random new stuff every couple of months (which is what many Android OEMs are doing, like the mechanical front facing camera stuff). They forgot the real innovation in silicon. Apple is expanding their expertise in silicon, ranging from the Ax chip to the various Sx, Wx, and Tx chips. Slowly, but surely. This is, and will be huge. People just don't realise it yet. These things don't just come out overnight. Apple is building up, and the fruits will come decades later.

Thanks.

Some people just don’t want to give credit where credit is due.

I suspect it could be from a lack of understanding regarding the technology being used.

Which is a shame.

 

[rocknblogger]

At one point in time it was worth it staying in the Apple locked down egosystem. The technology far surpassed what other's were doing. Those times have long gone.. They are simply not an innovative company any more. Tricking those in to thinking, it's the latest, it's the best..

I watched just a summary of the nonsense yesterday, this clown on stage was talking about the new Watch. "I know you guys are worried about the battery life, but we are pleased to say, it hasn't changed.." What kind of spin is that?

Needless to say I switched to Android 2 years ago, and haven't looked back. Sure Android's messaging system needs some love, but everything else is a better experience. It's not locked down, it's not controlled. I don't live with a bag of dongles and I am free..

Well, i'm not only moving on, I've moved on. You should as well.

I think there’s one too many absolutes in your statements. Last year I decided to experience Android for one year by way of a Note8. Yes it’s a fantastic phone, the s-pen is genius and works flawlessly. The customization capabilities are very cool. The apps are all on par with iOS counterparts. The stability and performance was on par with any iPhone I’ve ever owned. If iMessage was available on Android there’s a good chance I would have continued using either my current Note8 or possibly a Note9.

However the lack of iMessage was a significant pain point. It isn’t so much texting back and forth but sending photos and such was just a terrible experience when sending/receiving from my family and friends who have an iPhone.

I ordered the iPhone XS for delivery this Friday and I couldn’t be more excited. Also I wouldn’t say “everything” was a better experience rather in truth it’s all about the same.

As for your comment regarding “spin” on the Apple Watch is simply silly. Apple created a larger screen, a new more powerful processor and added more functionality and sensors. You might expect that battery might suffer with those additions but it did not. The fact that it stayed the same is a feather in the engeneer’s hats.

I think you need to take a step back and look at things more objectively.
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I don't care about your opinion and millions of others don't either. You can't pay me to switch to Android because it is pure garbage for me (and others). The only positive about this thread is that it's awesome less of you will be here at midnight preordering. I know I will.

I think it’s time to stop calling Android garbage. I just spent a year with a Note8 and I can tell you it’s a fine OS. It’s just as stable and smooth as iOS. Some things are better on iOS and some things are better on Android. It’s high time we give credit where credit is due and Android deserves a lot more respect than some of you give it.

The primary reason I ordered an iPhone XS this year is iMessage. If iMessage was available on other platforms there’s a good chance I would have upgraded to the Note9. One thing I will miss tremendously is the s-pen. Having the ability to take a quick note without having to unlock the phone first is phenomenal. Oh, and the always on display is also a great feature that I will miss.

 

[FFR]

The thing about Face ID is that it was bought, which in itself is not a problem. It’s just that the concept of facial recognition has been around for some time. It’s been on android since 2012, although it’s implementation was poor until recently. Also Microsoft. So yeah whilst Face ID works great and is the best implementation it wasn’t a big leap considering it’s been around for so long.

The “concept of technology”? I’m sorry that doesn’t make very much sense.
For starters that is not the way technology works.

By your logic oled displays aren’t really innovative, because there have been lcds and monochrome Chrome displays before it.

4k and 8k aren’t innovative, because we had 480p, Before that.

Touch ID isn’t very innovative either because we had the concept of pins or personal identification numbers preceding it.

Vr isn’t very groundbreaking at all because of we have had the concept of stereoscopes, since the 1800’s

Apparently there are no technological advances to airplanes, cars, trains, and boats either, since we have had the concept of transportation since humans could walk.

Should we also credit Jules Verne and Hergé with going to the moon?
You know because of the “concept” of it and not implementation.

Once again I’m sorry, but the logic your employing is not very sound. You might be confusing invention and innovation.

Regardless enjoy whatever device you land on.

 

[ericwn]

So you agree Ford is Google and Apple is Ferrari

You could try to answer the point raised instead of trying to evade.

 

[pacmacman]

If I remember right Apple bought a FPS company as well but could not get under display technology to work so they went with Face ID. I'll bet given the choice of iPhone Xs and Xs Max with Face ID or Touch ID with or without under display FPS.....I'll bet models with Touch ID would outsell the models with Face ID. That's just my opinion......

I'm not sure about any of this. Face ID isn't something that they just whipped up on the fly when in display touch didn't work out. I wouldn't be surprised at all that Face ID was the plan all along with in-display being the "hobby" that they looked at but decided against.

What we really need now is Face ID 2.0. Faster, and with landscape ability. I personally think Face ID is the best biometric security feature. I'm so used to simply picking up my phone and using it without thinking about it.

 

[jamezr]

I'm not sure about any of this. Face ID isn't something that they just whipped up on the fly when in display touch didn't work out. I wouldn't be surprised at all that Face ID was the plan all along with in-display being the "hobby" that they looked at but decided against.

What we really need now is Face ID 2.0. Faster, and with landscape ability. I personally think Face ID is the best biometric security feature. I'm so used to simply picking up my phone and using it without thinking about it.

FaceID is nice...but you can't just look at your phone to unlock it.....then you have to swipe as well. On my iPhone 8 plus I could have it unlocked before i could raise it. Sometimes if it was in my pocket i could have it unlocked and at the home screen by the time it was out of my pocket.

FaceID needs to evolve to allow a better user experience imho. Having to pause to look at my phone then swiping up is not as user friendly as TouchID was for me. No swiping and less effort to get to the home screen.

I think Apple had both FaceID and TouchID with FPS under the display in the mix and went with the technology that was ready to implement in the iPhone X production and release.

 

[pacmacman]

FaceID is nice...but you can't just look at your phone to unlock it.....then you have to swipe as well.

I almost never have to swipe up because I'm immediately interacting with my notifications. I much prefer seeing and dealing with my notifications first.

 

[jamezr]

I almost never have to swipe up because I'm immediately interacting with my notifications. I much prefer seeing and dealing with my notifications first.

It will be nice to be able to save multiple face scans. Also to hold the phone in landscape or even upside down.

 

[FFR]

I almost never have to swipe up because I'm immediately interacting with my notifications. I much prefer seeing and dealing with my notifications first.

If I want to look at notifications, I just tap the screen.

For everything else I usually swipe up before I even look at the display. As soon as l I look at the display , im already in the home screen or whatever app I last had opened.

iOS 12 really sped Face ID up.

 

[Applemaniac7]

The biggest problem with Android is it's lack of refinement. There is always some issue or another and you need to constantly tweak the software to keep it working well..

Please explain how you tweak the software on an OS pls. If closing open apps or clearing all the caches with one button press is what you are getting at but dressing it up as suggesting that you are somehow altering code, then can I ask what is your agenda? Are you being paid to trash android? If not then. Mmm.. interesting.. i use both OSs on a daily basis and they are so close to each these days.. plus and minus on both sides.... Oh, btw, 2013 called, it wants your android put downs back, they aint relevant no more...
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I don't think Apple has lost its luster at all. I think technology is not advancing as rapidly as it was during the OG iPhone days. Think about it, during that time, HD video was still a big deal. There wasn't MMS, or video recording. No App Store.

Oh bless you, all these things existed on other handsets.. Apple just held them back so they could make a big keynote speech about these great new things, call them "retina" lol, the crowd laps up a non HD display for the next 5 years as being a work of magic!! Embarrassing!!

 

[IdentityCrisis]

Got them from my phones off Antutu Benchmark app. It tests all the hardware not just the CPU. When you benchmark to be fair you must test all hardware. Honestly just posting the CPU just because it makes the iPhone look better due to it winning is not right.

Haven't used Note 9. Agreed!
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I don't know where you got these results from but this is the latest one and for your reference there is a legit source too.

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Source:
https://bgr.com/2018/09/18/iphone-xs-max-vs-android-benchmarks-review-says-apple-wins/

 

[FFR]

Note 9

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iPhone X

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Something is wrong with your scores.

How the hell is the iPhone X with 3gb of ram beating the note with 8gb.

It’s the last test, labeled memory.

 

[cuzo]

Apple thinks differently, a ekg on your wrist is big and a reliable OS that can get 4 years worth of updates is good. Regardless of the tech issues apple is thinking of how to make life more efficient, not just creating some awesome tech gadget.

I have android but all these android phones aren't exactly killing the sales market. Truth is the OS sucks compared to apple and this will be the downfall of android one day, most of us aren't downloading movies and torrents and all that crap on our phones, its not that serious.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Apple thinks differently, a ekg on your wrist is big and a reliable OS that can get 4 years worth of updates is good. Regardless of the tech issues apple is thinking of how to make life more efficient, not just creating some awesome tech gadget.

I have android but all these android phones aren't exactly killing the sales market. Truth is the OS sucks compared to apple and this will be the downfall of android one day, most of us aren't downloading movies and torrents and all that crap on our phones, its not that serious.

I don’t think android will fall down in the developing world because the majority can’t afford an iPhone. Most in the developing world can’t afford to buy movies and the only way they can get them is to illegally download them. That’s where android will always have an advantage over iOS.

I think the ECG is great and shows Apple have a vision for the watch. I may upgrade to series 4 from my series 3 but at the moment there’s no ECG support here and the irregular rhythm detection doesn’t work in the UK either so it’s not a day 1 device.

 

[Klyster]

I have android but all these android phones aren't exactly killing the sales market.

In sheer numbers they are, just not profit.
Android has a higher usage base than Windows now.

 

[Tsepz]

At one point in time it was worth it staying in the Apple locked down egosystem. The technology far surpassed what other's were doing. Those times have long gone.. They are simply not an innovative company any more. Tricking those in to thinking, it's the latest, it's the best..

I watched just a summary of the nonsense yesterday, this clown on stage was talking about the new Watch. "I know you guys are worried about the battery life, but we are pleased to say, it hasn't changed.." What kind of spin is that?

Needless to say I switched to Android 2 years ago, and haven't looked back. Sure Android's messaging system needs some love, but everything else is a better experience. It's not locked down, it's not controlled. I don't live with a bag of dongles and I am free..

Well, i'm not only moving on, I've moved on. You should as well.

How dare you say that, have you not seen the Apple profits!? These are a very useful feature for some on iPhone here like that is literally their only argument, the profit. One upon a time it was Market share, but when that got lost the yardstick had to move.

Honestly for me iPhone neve had any sort of luster.

iPhones to me are glorified feature phones, much like the old Sony Ericsson phone, with their lack of 3.5mm jack and endless dongles

The fact that I still cannot even select which Web browser I want my email links to open with baffles me.

 

[Shanghaichica]

How dare you say that, have you not seen the Apple profits!? These are a very useful feature for some on iPhone here like that is literally their only argument, the profit. One upon a time it was Market share, but when that got lost the yardstick had to move.

Honestly for me iPhone neve had any sort of luster.

iPhones to me are glorified feature phones, much like the old Sony Ericsson phone, with their lack of 3.5mm jack and endless dongles

The fact that I still cannot even select which Web browser I want my email links to open with baffles me.

I think iPhones were more like Nokia’s extremely popular but not as capable as their Sony Ericsson counterparts.

 

[Klyster]

Personally, I think iPhones are the best they've ever been.
They really are heading toward the point where I'd consider trying one.
Slagging phones off gets real boring real quick, I've said a few times, it's hard to buy a crappy phone these days, you really have to make an effort compared to 10 years ago, when bad phones were dime a dozen.
Apple deserves credit for raising the bar as far as how people expectations of what a phone should be, have become.

I really think Apple have have found a new lustre rather than losing it, and I'm not that much of an Apple fan.

The most important thing is the bar keeps getting raised, sure, we pay through the teeth for these tech wonders but because we do, the effect is even the cheap low-end devices get dragged up with the premium, or they'll sit on shelves gathering dust.

 

[decafjava]

In sheer numbers they are, just not profit.
Android has a higher usage base than Windows now.

That's shocking to think about that most computing devices are actually cheap android phones.

 

[Anandc]

Wonder what Google & Android came up with any revolutionary feature ever