Before Vegas…I’m kinda surprised, given how the announcement went at WWDC!
Regardless, Apple’s on a roll today!
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Regardless, Apple’s on a roll today!
Although the number of detailed 3D models are considerably fewer this time around. It could be because adding more models would take more time and Apple had to make this choice to finish all the 7 cities that were announced during WWDC on-time. My guess is that they realised that the earlier approach wasn’t scalable enough considering the sluggish rollout. Or maybe it’s just because some of these cities aren’t as big as London, New York and Los Angeles? I guess we will see when Chicago is released. While Las Vegas necessarily isn’t as big as some of the other cities, it has a lot of big hotels and casinos that could make the cut. I think we saw quite a lot of detailed models coming its way at WWDC.
I agree that Apple’s extreme perfectionism and attention to detail might have had a big impact on the Maps 2 rollout worldwide. Google, in comparison, just goes for massive updates and then fixes things afterwards.
Each of these approaches has its pros & cons and both companies could learn from each other. However, I find Google’s model more suited for software development and Apple’s - for hardware, as it is less simple to fix on the fly.
Right now Apple Maps 2 remain the best looking of the lot, while Google still has a superior POI database and more detailed maps overall.
I just realized the detailed city experience release dates were only listed in the iOS15 Maps thread...have added it to the first page here as well.
Justin noted that the Detailed City coverage for Seattle, Miami, and Atlanta is identical to the Look Around release for those three cities (as opposed to other cities where the Detailed part covered more than Look Around did and Look Around was then expanded to match).
Annnnnd just like that, my hopes of being included in Chicago's release are fading a bit. My hopes weren't exactly all that high to begin with because despite being in the suburbs, Apple would have to expand Look Around quite a bit for my area to be included, so my best shot is for a regional release or just the whole US. As long as the Detailed City experience covers the current Look Around area, I will at least get to experience it for a PART of my drive to work. That'll tide me over for a bit! That being said though...Apple DID do backpack data collection in my county and the Detailed coverage does seem to coincide with areas that had backpack data collection done, if I'm not mistaken 🤔
Annnnnd just like that, my hopes of being included in Chicago's release are fading a bit. My hopes weren't exactly all that high to begin with because despite being in the suburbs, Apple would have to expand Look Around quite a bit for my area to be included, so my best shot is for a regional release or just the whole US. As long as the Detailed City experience covers the current Look Around area, I will at least get to experience it for a PART of my drive to work. That'll tide me over for a bit! That being said though...Apple DID do backpack data collection in my county and the Detailed coverage does seem to coincide with areas that had backpack data collection done, if I'm not mistaken 🤔
Justin noted that the Detailed City coverage for Seattle, Miami, and Atlanta is identical to the Look Around release for those three cities (as opposed to other cities where the Detailed part covered more than Look Around did and Look Around was then expanded to match).
Annnnnd just like that, my hopes of being included in Chicago's release are fading a bit. My hopes weren't exactly all that high to begin with because despite being in the suburbs, Apple would have to expand Look Around quite a bit for my area to be included, so my best shot is for a regional release or just the whole US. As long as the Detailed City experience covers the current Look Around area, I will at least get to experience it for a PART of my drive to work. That'll tide me over for a bit! That being said though...Apple DID do backpack data collection in my county and the Detailed coverage does seem to coincide with areas that had backpack data collection done, if I'm not mistaken
If I am correct, you only have 6-7 weeks to wait. That assumes Apple demos some form of an AR device at the iPhone event.
Splash screen for Maps in beta 5 mentions landmarks for “Las Vegas, Seattle, Chicago, and more”
Given that Seattle was released the other day along with Miami and Atlanta (lump that into “and more”), Vegas and Chicago should be coming shortly! Sweet, bring it!!!
Given that Seattle was released the other day along with Miami and Atlanta (lump that into “and more”), Vegas and Chicago should be coming shortly! Sweet, bring it!!!
Here's hoping!
But as I mentioned the other day, the Seattle/Miami/Atlanta release has given me a bad feeling about whether or not I'll be included in Chicago's release. The only way I could be included is if it covers an area larger than the current Look Around release (which has happened with other cities. But didn't happen with the three cities last week). and the chances were already kind of low in my opinion because they'd have to expand the coverage by another 20 miles and I don't see an expansion that large happening. But who knows! If it only covers Chicago's current Look Around area, I'll still get to experience it during a portion of my drive to and from work, so that's better than nothing!
However, like I said in my post on Saturday, my county DID have backpack collection data done (they did backpack collection in ALL of the Chicago metro area counties), so if that has anything to do with the Detailed City experience in any way, that could be a good sign!
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So tired of reading about new updates to US areas. When were the new maps available in the US, two years ago or was it even more now? To have to sit in other countries and wait eons for updated maps is just... boring I guess.
Has been exclusively using Apple Maps for years, but the wait is tedious. Sweden and the other Nordic countries for 2023? 2024? I don't give a rat's ass about look around or anythin beyond updated maps, just give us that.
Has been exclusively using Apple Maps for years, but the wait is tedious. Sweden and the other Nordic countries for 2023? 2024? I don't give a rat's ass about look around or anythin beyond updated maps, just give us that.
I understand your frustration and this is unfortunately amplified by Apple's slowness in releasing all the features available in Apple Maps to all countries. With regard to Sweden and the Nordic countries, it seems likely that Apple will release the new map data in early 2023.
The iOS and iPadOS Feature Availability page was recently updated. Here are all the updates related to Apple Maps that I could find.
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Driving over 6 hours tomorrow to South Carolina to look at houses so I decided to try the advance directions on Maps and Google to see the difference. I need to be there by 3:30 I figured at the latest for a 4:00 showing.
Apple Maps said to leave at 9:00 am which is literally the exact time to arrive by 3:30...6.5 hour trip (and the route avoids a flash flood warning which was interesting).
Google Maps is advising I leave at 7:40 a.m. for the exact same route scheduled to arrive at the exact same time....AND the nearly identical 6.5 hour trip time. So, leaving me 90 minutes extra for stops like food/gas?
Considering I never drive the speed limit, I'm wondering if Apple knows me better?
Either way, I'll split the difference and probably leave around 8:30 a.m. and give myself 7 hours for the 6.5 hour trip. Will update timing tomorrow.
Apple Maps said to leave at 9:00 am which is literally the exact time to arrive by 3:30...6.5 hour trip (and the route avoids a flash flood warning which was interesting).
Google Maps is advising I leave at 7:40 a.m. for the exact same route scheduled to arrive at the exact same time....AND the nearly identical 6.5 hour trip time. So, leaving me 90 minutes extra for stops like food/gas?
Considering I never drive the speed limit, I'm wondering if Apple knows me better?
Either way, I'll split the difference and probably leave around 8:30 a.m. and give myself 7 hours for the 6.5 hour trip. Will update timing tomorrow.
Driving over 6 hours tomorrow to South Carolina to look at houses so I decided to try the advance directions on Maps and Google to see the difference. I need to be there by 3:30 I figured at the latest for a 4:00 showing.
Apple Maps said to leave at 9:00 am which is literally the exact time to arrive by 3:30...6.5 hour trip (and the route avoids a flash flood warning which was interesting).
Google Maps is advising I leave at 7:40 a.m. for the exact same route scheduled to arrive at the exact same time....AND the nearly identical 6.5 hour trip time. So, leaving me 90 minutes extra for stops like food/gas?
Considering I never drive the speed limit, I'm wondering if Apple knows me better?
I have learned to never leave when Apple says I should. I can be slightly exceeding the speed limit the whole way, with no incidents en route (either as I arrive at a given spot on the map or before I get there), and still the time of arrival creeps past the initial ETA.
For 5 years, I drove each week from the NY metro area to Boston, a trip of 154 miles. I can’t say that there was one time that this did not happen.
Yep…I know my stopping times pretty well and usually work backwards off of that, but the Google estimate is WAY too conservative in my opinion. But I’m sure it is based on actual times from travel data they have collected…just not to my personal driving.
I stop for gas and then go…drive thru lunch…MAYBE a bathroom break at one of the fuel stops. Hah. And I’m a very consistent driver on highways tending to be at least 10% over the limit at a minimum.
Update...got to SC in time for my appointment, but there was serious downpours for an hour that had everyone driving 10-35 mph...so, going to see what the drive home on Sunday suggests. But Apple definitely needs to add in "stop time" to their estimates for a more realistic arrival time.
Yeah we’re not all dual driver tractor trailer crews…or you.
For me their predictions are usually on the nose – unless I do stops. My drives are usually max 2 hrs. Not sure what I would appreciate more: An added general buffer depending on trip length/driving time (+10% on driving time?) or to keep the current one which seems to simply look at current traffic and road speed limits.
Hah…we’ll, at a minimum, you think they would be taking there anonymized data and getting the true time for longer trips and figuring out some sort of average “adder” based on that.
They have the data…just not sure why Google’s would add 90 minutes. Maybe that is the actual added time for most people on a 6 hour drive?
With Apple, I think a more personalized “adder” stating that “travel time may take an additional “x” minutes based on distance due to stops for refueling or eating” to the true driving estimate (which yes, is always spot on for me as well) would be nice.
Maybe a solution would be to have 2 ETAs. One for normal drivers who take brief stops during trips of 3 hours+. The longer the drive the more stops that automatically get added. If you take shorter breaks, that’s credited to you on your return to the car. The other ETA would be for long distance OTR truck drivers and those, like you, who do few or no stops (I’ve been there too, when i don’t have the family with me). That one would show the “straight through” ETA.
I’ll tell you: there is nothing so dismaying as being informed you’ve got a 10.5 hour drive ahead of you (Connecticut to Michigan, for example) when it’s really a 13 hour drive with meal, bathroom and gas stops.
My impression was that AM actually calculate our ETAs based on our actual previous driving habits? I personally find my ETAs for 1-2 hr drives quite accurate.
I recently bought a electric scooter which is classified as bicycle, so here Im waiting for Apple to add cycling directions to Apple Maps in Finland.
I think 1-2 hours probably doesn’t require much adjustment. But here in the US, it’s not uncommon to drive 10-15 hours just to go, for example, from the East coast to the eastern part of the Midwest. That’s you start running into difficulty due to the need to account for stops.