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And maybe for some reason a launch in November makes more sense for all partners involved (maybe Apple wants to get AP Cash ready, or Deutsche Bank / Commerzbank aren't ready on their side IT wise, or - I don't believe this at all, but who knows - Sparkasse or Volksbank is ready to join and needs time to implement the backend.

Whoever supports GooglePay is technically ready (Commerzbank, Comdirect, Wirecard). ApplePay is 80% of the exact same implementation (Visa/MasterCard tokenization). As far as I heard the Deutsche Bank Project around tokenization was more or less finished with their own Android payment app. Sparkasse & Volksbank will almost certainly not join the party this year (they just launched their proprietary payment solution and want to bring Apple to open up the NFC chip APIs). My best bet for the first wave of banks to be onboarded and live on ApplePay would also be early November.
 
i saw today at the installation of Apple watch s4.
 

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Have you discovered a hint to Apple Pay?
It is (unfortunately) mostly false alarm


# 1 Instructions during configuration
When you start a new iPhone, iPad or Apple Watch for the first time, you get all sorts of instructions to get you started using and setting up your Apple device. Apple Pay is also part of this screen. It is a general translated instruction screen that is shown in all countries, regardless of whether Apple Pay is available or not. Also often pass the instructions to set up Apple Pay Cash, while that feature can only be used in the United States for the time being. These options to set up the payment service also appear when adjusting your region settings. It is also possible that the option appears when you log in with an American Apple ID. You will then also see the Apple News and TV app, for example. The options for Apple Pay also appear in the settings, but disappear again when you return to your own region.

# 2 Booklets and manuals
After the release of the latest devices such as the iPhone XS and Apple Watch Series 4 Apple mention Apple Pay in the supplied booklets and manuals. Apple makes these booklets the same for every country, including translations. It is more work to make special versions for countries where Apple Pay isn't available. Apple already prepares you for the future as soon as the Apple Pay is available. So Apple doesn't have to replace all the iPhone manuals with new ones.

# 3 Everything in your language
That Apple has already translated the instructions for setting into your language doesn't mean anything. By far the most functions on your iPhone and iPad are always immediately translated by Apple. The Apple Pay instructions have even been translated since the introduction of Apple Pay in iOS.
That also has a reason: for example a Dutchman who lives in America and prefers to use his iPhone in Dutch, simply gets the instructions and settings in his own language preference. The fact that this has been translated on your iPhone does not say anything about an early rollout of Apple Pay in your country.

# 4 Logo on iCloud.com
Once you log in to iCloud.com and enter a code for two-factor authentication, bottom buttons and logos appear for Find my iPhone, Apple Pay and the Apple Watch settings. Via these buttons you quickly reach the relevant settings in case you cann't receive a two-factor authentication code, for example in case of theft. This page is the same for everyone and the logo for Apple Pay has been here for at least a number of years. The button is therefore primarily intended for people who have already set up the payment method, because they live in a country where Apple Pay is already active.

# 5 Buttons on Apple Watch
Since watchOS 5 a Apple Pay button appear in the Messages app. However, the Scribble button and Apple Pay button are gray and cann't be used. Since watchOS 5, Apple has changed something so that the buttons are visible to everyone, even if the functions do not work in your country. The fact that both the button for Apple Pay and Scribble are visible, immediately shows that it has nothing to do with Apple Pay in particular. Apple will deliberately make the buttons visible to everyone, although it may also be a mistake that may be solved in a future watchOS version.

# 6 Logos on packaging
The Apple Pay logo pops up now and then, for example on mobile PIN devices and packaging of similar accessories for the iPhone. These kinds of devices are often sold in several countries, making it inconvenient to remove that one logo especially for your country. The same applies to commercials in which the logo passes, as was recently the case with Dutch advertising of a pin accessory for the iPhone.
These types of logos only indicate which services support a device. This is useful, for example, for shopkeepers who have a lot to do with tourists, so they can see that they can pay with Apple Pay.
 
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# 5 Buttons on Apple Watch
Since watchOS 5 a Apple Pay button appear in the Messages app. However, the Scribble button and Apple Pay button are gray and cann't be used. Since watchOS 5, Apple has changed something so that the buttons are visible to everyone, even if the functions do not work in your country. The fact that both the button for Apple Pay and Scribble are visible, immediately shows that it has nothing to do with Apple Pay in particular. Apple will deliberately make the buttons visible to everyone, although it may also be a mistake that may be solved in a future watchOS version.
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I have to correct you there, Scribble is available in Germany since the introduction of watchOS4 („Kritzeln“).

Otherwise nice, correct and complete summary / piece of information!
 
I have to correct you there, Scribble is available in Germany since the introduction of watchOS4 („Kritzeln“).

Otherwise nice, correct and complete summary / piece of information!

Ah really. Didn't know that. In The Netherlands we don't have the Scribble function. So that's why it's in my post.
 
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Guys, I’ll just say that Apple Pay Cash has probably nothing to do with the German launch of the usual Apple Pay service.

Just because some documents are translated from English into German doesn’t mean anything. Most of the time Apple tries to localize every part of the UI and also support almost all support documents in the major international languages (English/French/German).

If you want to look for leaks about a German/EU launch of Apple Pay Cash then you have to look at the footnotes of the support documents. The most probable bank that’ll be used as the backend of Apple Pay Cash is Wirecard since they’re the biggest and can cater in to Apple‘s needs.

Since this has not yet happened and the set up process is still US-centric, there’s nothing to talk about.
Also, I don’t even think that Apple is that eager to start Apple Pay Cash in the EU with an average of 25% market share for the iPhone in the whole Union, iMessage usage being at 10% at the most since WhatsApp is basically the communication standard here.

Comparing this to the US situation where 55% of smartphones are iPhones and iMessage is THE standard, then there’s nothing to talk about.

In order for Apple Pay Cash to even be usable, most iOS users should use iMessage as the standard messaging app, which it currently is not.
 
PayPal issued MasterCard Debit cards in the US have been supporting Apple Pay for some time now:

https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/About-Products/Apple-Pay/td-p/1247745

They still issue them. I think first people were able to add their cards in late 2017 to the wallet. Since then Paypal shows the wallet support in the App Store. I don’t think PayPal will ever give out MasterCards in Germany. Didn’t they try this a couple of years ago with virtual cards and then canceled it? And i cannot imagine PayPal to support Apple Pay as Google Pay does since they pretty much are a competitor to Apple Pay Cash.
 
They still issue them. I think first people were able to add their cards in late 2017 to the wallet. Since then Paypal shows the wallet support in the App Store. I don’t think PayPal will ever give out MasterCards in Germany. Didn’t they try this a couple of years ago with virtual cards and then canceled it? And i cannot imagine PayPal to support Apple Pay as Google Pay does since they pretty much are a competitor to Apple Pay Cash.
Sorry, I meant PayPal-issued, as in issued by PayPal, not that they were issuing them and not anymore :)

But, after supporting Google Pay, Supporting Apple Pay could make sense, even more if they want to be a competitor to Apple Pay Cash.
Know why?

Take the US as an example:
P2P apps for sending money are quite popular, most of the people use the Cash app or AP Cash. The Cash app also gives you a Visa card which can be added to Apple Pay and Apple Pay Cash is there automatically.

The reason for these cards existing is so that people can use the money their friends sent them right away, and not having to transfer the balance to their bank account first. This is where PayPal want to be on the same level probably.

And PayPal is already issuing Mastercards in Germany, just not physical ones, only digital ones for Google Pay.
 
So is USA the only country where you currently get Paypal for Apple Pay?

And in which countries Paypal is available for Google Pay? Germany check... USA I guess? Which one else?
 
So is USA the only country where you currently get Paypal for Apple Pay?

And in which countries Paypal is available for Google Pay? Germany check... USA I guess? Which one else?
Yup, US is the only country you can use PayPal with Apple Pay right now.

PayPal + Google Pay possible in the US and Germany.
 
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I don´t think so. Don´t forget the iPhone XR. Maybe they flip the switch with the release of iOS 12.1.
Again: The Apple Pay Start has absolutly nothing to do with a iOS Software release. The exact same rumor existed already with the realease of iOS 12.0 and nothing happend.
 
Again: The Apple Pay Start has absolutly nothing to do with a iOS Software release. The exact same rumor existed already with the realease of iOS 12.0 and nothing happend.
I know that, I´m on board with you all long enough but many times they released an update and flipped the switch too.
 
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