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Ubuntu

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what happened during your interview? :(

That's the thing, my seminar was really good, group interview wasn't bad (but it was the worst out of the three) so when I got invited back to the final interview I thought I really had to impress them, which I did. Part of me thought they just invited me back for the hell of it, and I was kinda right. The final interview didn't involve much, it practically had the same questions as the seminar and group interview, so I don't know. Bit annoyed because frankly they wasted my time with the final interview.
 

iamrawr

macrumors 6502
Apr 16, 2010
263
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New Jersey
That's the thing, my seminar was really good, group interview wasn't bad (but it was the worst out of the three) so when I got invited back to the final interview I thought I really had to impress them, which I did. Part of me thought they just invited me back for the hell of it, and I was kinda right. The final interview didn't involve much, it practically had the same questions as the seminar and group interview, so I don't know. Bit annoyed because frankly they wasted my time with the final interview.

That's not right. They shouldn't invite people to a final just to waste their time =/

On that note, I had a seminar last Sunday and it went well for me. They said my name without looking at my nametag and I gave them some good laughs. They said they would email everyone back to see if they qualify for the next step by midweek and if your applications online were complete. It's Thursday. I'm a little anxious/worried. Would they tell you if you didn't make it to the interview? Or would they leave you in suspense for all eternity...?
Your online app is considered complete onced you've confirmed everything right? Or did I miss something?
 

Ubuntu

macrumors 68020
Jul 3, 2005
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That's not right. They shouldn't invite people to a final just to waste their time =/

On that note, I had a seminar last Sunday and it went well for me. They said my name without looking at my nametag and I gave them some good laughs. They said they would email everyone back to see if they qualify for the next step by midweek and if your applications online were complete. It's Thursday. I'm a little anxious/worried. Would they tell you if you didn't make it to the interview? Or would they leave you in suspense for all eternity...?
Your online app is considered complete onced you've confirmed everything right? Or did I miss something?

Well my app was never actually modified throughout the whole process. I would send them an email (could make a new email account if you're worried there's a dragon on the other end who will automatically throw your application into the bin if you ask them) and just politely ask if you'll be informed either way or rather what the outcome for you is.l

Sadly the quality seems to vary quite a bit. For my seminar + group interview I received replies on the same day but I don't know about the people who didn't get invited back.

On another note, I emailed the recruiter once more just to ask what they meant by choosing people "more qualified for the job" (the job has no qualification requirements so I was wondering) and he explained to me that because I'm a student, studying full time, they couldn't offer me the hours I wanted. An awful excuse as I was asking for 24-32 hours so I don't believe it. If it was true, why couldn't they just check this at the start?

We had 700 people for the seminars, why not just get everyone to write down their hours of availability in the first place to save time? I love Apple but this recruitment process is stupid. I said to my girlfriend that I'd probably get to the final stage only to find out the hours were not suitable and apparently I was right. :(
 

ddehr026

macrumors 6502
May 1, 2010
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I still havent heard anything yet on my application. I'm assuming I am not qualified enough. It will be two weeks tomorrow. :eek:
 

iamrawr

macrumors 6502
Apr 16, 2010
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New Jersey
I still havent heard anything yet on my application. I'm assuming I am not qualified enough. It will be two weeks tomorrow. :eek:

just reedit your resume =) keep it short, pleasing to the eye, but make it sound informative and professional. and include how much you like/love apple. (don't be a suck-up) I got a seminar invite within two days of submitting my first application.
 

ddehr026

macrumors 6502
May 1, 2010
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just reedit your resume =) keep it short, pleasing to the eye, but make it sound informative and professional. and include how much you like/love apple. (don't be a suck-up) I got a seminar invite within two days of submitting my first application.

you talking about cover letter or resume?
 

iamrawr

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Apr 16, 2010
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New Jersey
Resume lol. Cover letter should be like an introduction. still, keep it short (well not too short, honestly I don't really know what would be short for them, I guess it jut depends on the recruiter) and to the point, throwing in some love for apple lol

and as said earlier in this thread, for your resume only put in relevant significant achievements, past occupations that you have done
 

Pro-Metal

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Apr 14, 2010
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Well my app was never actually modified throughout the whole process. I would send them an email (could make a new email account if you're worried there's a dragon on the other end who will automatically throw your application into the bin if you ask them) and just politely ask if you'll be informed either way or rather what the outcome for you is.l

Sadly the quality seems to vary quite a bit. For my seminar + group interview I received replies on the same day but I don't know about the people who didn't get invited back.

On another note, I emailed the recruiter once more just to ask what they meant by choosing people "more qualified for the job" (the job has no qualification requirements so I was wondering) and he explained to me that because I'm a student, studying full time, they couldn't offer me the hours I wanted. An awful excuse as I was asking for 24-32 hours so I don't believe it. If it was true, why couldn't they just check this at the start?

We had 700 people for the seminars, why not just get everyone to write down their hours of availability in the first place to save time? I love Apple but this recruitment process is stupid. I said to my girlfriend that I'd probably get to the final stage only to find out the hours were not suitable and apparently I was right. :(

Yeah the same thing happened to me, it just seems like a cheap excuse, Its as if they are not giving you a straight answer. Its been about 5-6 weeks since i heard from them and when the manager phoned me she said "This defiantly wont be the last you hear from us" but that was 6 weeks ago and she said it would likely be before the Ipad was released, so they just ... dont like to give people a straight answer and that pees me off. Oh well i will just apply again.
 

SillyWills

macrumors newbie
May 30, 2010
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The whole process is pretty numbing.

I don't want Apple locking me down, so won't say exactly which store I got called in for. But I will say I went to a recruitment seminar recently for a London store. I got through to stage 2, but didn't get called back again. I'm inclined to send an e-mail politely asking Why? Not that it'll change anything.

I felt 50 / 50 about making it past stage 2. Everything else at stage 2 went great except my interview, which I was unsure about because the guy interviewing me just didn't seem to care and asked me strange questions.

Okay... Recruitment stage 2: Three Apple staff in attending. Two of them seemed cool, laid back and the kind of people you could have an interview with without being nervous and being able to naturally get your good points across. They seemed like top people, who everyone in attending got along with. One of them was a complete wall who seemed emotionless, disinterested in the session, and spent most of his time with his head in his MacBook. Guess who I get interviewed by :(

It just threw me. I felt confident about the interview until he picked me to interview. Then I just had this feeling in my stomach it was all gonna go to sh** (pun not intended).

I want to stay hopeful I can turn this around somehow, but know I can't. I wanted this sh** so BAD! lol

I swear these interviews are the worst. You get fed the Apple propaganda, meet the people you potentially could be working with (possibly even make some friends and acquaintances amongst them as I did) and want the job more during the process than you did when you first applied. And then when you don't make it, you just feel ~Urgh!~ :)
 

SillyWills

macrumors newbie
May 30, 2010
3
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Fickle as f***

I still havent heard anything yet on my application. I'm assuming I am not qualified enough. It will be two weeks tomorrow. :eek:

Dude, don't take it as anything. And don't take it personal. The whole situation regarding applying for jobs is fickle and it seems even more so with Apple.

Seriously. I applied to be an Apple creative at a couple of stores way back in February and forgot all about my application. Then a few weeks ago they e-mail me inviting me to a seminar for a Specialist! Apple aren't always recruiting on any given day when and as they need staff like most places. They recruit in waves. So you could get a reply tomorrow, or you may not get one until November!

Communication with Apple's recruitment department seems to be pretty sporadic. Plus, they don't update the Retail section of their website. They've been showing the same vacancies at certain stores since 2009, when most of them probably don't exist now.

My advice is just to keep applying and make subtle changes to your CV and cover letter along the way. They'll probably get in touch with you when you least expect it.
 

ddehr026

macrumors 6502
May 1, 2010
317
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Dude, don't take it as anything. And don't take it personal. The whole situation regarding applying for jobs is fickle and it seems even more so with Apple.

Seriously. I applied to be an Apple creative at a couple of stores way back in February and forgot all about my application. Then a few weeks ago they e-mail me inviting me to a seminar for a Specialist! Apple aren't always recruiting on any given day when and as they need staff like most places. They recruit in waves. So you could get a reply tomorrow, or you may not get one until November!

Communication with Apple's recruitment department seems to be pretty sporadic. Plus, they don't update the Retail section of their website. They've been showing the same vacancies at certain stores since 2009, when most of them probably don't exist now.

My advice is just to keep applying and make subtle changes to your CV and cover letter along the way. They'll probably get in touch with you when you least expect it.



Thanks for the advice. I just don't see why a company would do that. For the most part, people that are applying to jobs are actively looking, and will probably have a job by the time Apple gets around to "getting in touch". It's definitely a weird way of recruiting for positions.

I thought for sure I would have gotten an invite to a seminar when I applied for the inventory specialist considering I have inventory experience and an MBA. I guess I'll wait it out and see what happens!!!
 

FormerApplewkr

macrumors newbie
Jun 1, 2010
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Have to Argue with you

they are very choosy about the people that they employ i reckon - they want the right personality in aswell as the right type of product knowledge -

I use to work at an Apple store and I attempted to go back to it. I had to go thought the Seminar ( a complete waist of time) and then several interviews. I didn't get the job. I had the Apple experience. I use to work in their stores.

I noticed that all the employees are from the low 30 down. I am 40. They don't care about knowledge, when I first got the job there, I knew noting about macs for I recently switched. They seem to be looking for a young, hip type. Some of the other people who got rejected didn't' fit the type either.

Needless to say, it isn't knowledge they want.
 

Green2Delta

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Sep 27, 2007
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Has anyone been invited to a seminar, but has no prior retail experience? I got invited to one, but I haven't worked retail since high school, maybe 14 or 15 years ago. I actually applied for a few positions at the Apple data center in North Carolina (for which my career expertise would be much better suited), but got an email back saying they wanted me to "explore a career in Apple retail". I listed no retail experience in the resume I posted.
 

Anthony T

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Jul 10, 2008
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I got invited to a seminar this Tuesday. Can someone tells me what actually goes on at these seminars? What are the interviews like, and what types of questions do they ask?
 

iamrawr

macrumors 6502
Apr 16, 2010
263
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New Jersey
Has anyone been invited to a seminar, but has no prior retail experience? I got invited to one, but I haven't worked retail since high school, maybe 14 or 15 years ago. I actually applied for a few positions at the Apple data center in North Carolina (for which my career expertise would be much better suited), but got an email back saying they wanted me to "explore a career in Apple retail". I listed no retail experience in the resume I posted.

I'm just about to graduate high school and I've never had a job before. I got my invite to a seminar two days after I sent in the first job resume I've ever made, and all my past working experience was just pretty much required volunteer hours for my high school, which I've put in my resume. I also listed sports because "I'm a great team player" lol. Now (two agonizingly suspenseful weeks after the first seminar) I've just been called this afternoon for an interview so I'm like, "wtf that's barely enough time for me to prepare for it!" but yea... Like people have said in this forum, transform yourself into the most social and talkative "you" you can ever be and go in there not showing any fear. Don't be too cocky about yourself or do anything to make you look crazy.

So... Anyone got any interview tips for me? Right now I'm deciding to just wing it. But I don't wanna go through all this work just for nothing =/
 

iamrawr

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Apr 16, 2010
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New Jersey
update! =D

so... i just came back from my interview and i passed it. i was happy that i'm finally on my way to the job training but then he began to say things about a second interview, this time with 2 people... so yea. he really enjoyed the interview and said i have good potential so yea. just an update =]
 

rayn122

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Jun 5, 2010
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so... i just came back from my interview and i passed it. i was happy that i'm finally on my way to the job training but then he began to say things about a second interview, this time with 2 people... so yea. he really enjoyed the interview and said i have good potential so yea. just an update =]
I was wondering what did you wear to the first seminar and how did you find it?
 

iamrawr

macrumors 6502
Apr 16, 2010
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New Jersey
I was wondering what did you wear to the first seminar and how did you find it?

For the first seminar I wore a tucked-in button down. No tie. Nice belt and dress pants. Loafers. Some people came in suits and others in jeans, but they didn't really seem to care about dress code.

I found the first seminar cuz they emailed me when and where lol.
 

Bman3221

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Feb 16, 2008
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I went to the Apple Seminar today....my experience

im just sharing because i think its better for those looking for a job at apple. Personally after today, i think that the Apple Seminar thread needs to be updated and the last one made was 2 years ago. One of the Specialists talk about how the hiring process has CHANGED over the past 2 years aka for those giving me links from years ago telling me we dont need another thread.

I had mixed reviews prior to today. Some said that they will make you do a video as a group promoting the products or something. Others said that you will need to know alot about their products for their products for them to hire you or they prefer that you dont know alot.

I like the whole idea where they put you in a group but the only problem is that you're in a group of 5 and you rotate around to 5 stations with a specialist and they ask you questions and stuff. One problem is that you obviously have the other 4 people in the group trying to impress them and a certain amount of time. I had 2 other group members who rambled on and on and wouldnt stop talking. By the time we went to other members we were kind of cut short on time because we had to move on. Personally i think those members are not going to be hired and also affected the rest from getting hired because we didnt get much of a chance. They told us at the beginning to keep everything concise, short, and get to the point.

they ask mainly at all four stations your relevant retail experience (if you dont have any its fine) and what are your passions. that is all they asked mainly. And they had us on one station have them promote a pen to the specialist. It was hard!

They explained at the end that they are looking for people who are Mac enthusiastics and want to show people how mac can change peoples lives or their own. And at the same time interactions with the customers are their MAIN priority rather then promoting their product.

I thought it was great but i wish i had a second chance. They will let me know on Tuesday or Wednesday. They go through 4 interviews process to hire someone. First with specialists, then higher level people like the manager and store manager. something like that.

They said they prefer people with little or no experience in products and retail because it allows the creatives (teachers who train you) to shape you into how you want them to be. but they also hire people who know alot about products. Overall i think i did OK and maybe about average in 1 or 2 stations. What do you think?
 

iamrawr

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Apr 16, 2010
263
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New Jersey
My seminar was like that also. I didn't do any presentations or too outrageous. We were put into groups and were asked to mingle with others. Basically one big social test. Then we just watched some apple videos and asked questions as a group. Nearing the end they gave us question packs to look at our individual views of apple and how much we know about it, saying that there was no wrong answer.

Oh and good luck with yours =)
 

Bman3221

macrumors member
Feb 16, 2008
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My seminar was like that also. I didn't do any presentations or too outrageous. We were put into groups and were asked to mingle with others. Basically one big social test. Then we just watched some apple videos and asked questions as a group. Nearing the end they gave us question packs to look at our individual views of apple and how much we know about it, saying that there was no wrong answer.

Oh and good luck with yours =)

oh then it was pretty much the same. Well yea i guess there is no wrong answer. I just hope I answered everything right. :D
 

SillyWills

macrumors newbie
May 30, 2010
3
0
The run down...

Long post alert!!! lol

I remember coming in here hoping for as MUCH info as I could get on this whole process. So I hope that having been put mid way through the Apple recruitment wringer, I can help those about to be put through it themselves and share my experiences.

Okay...

The group seminars seem to differ depending on country / location and the role you're applying for. But generally you get several stages...

1: A group interview
You get fed the Apple propaganda via snazzy videos of employees at Apple stores around the world saying how wonderful it is to work for Apple. You also have to introduce yourself (Your name? What are you currently doing? Why you want to work for Apple?) do a couple of role plays and a little Q and A.

2: A smaller group interview and a 1 on 1
The group interview is pretty much the same as the first on a smaller (more tense) scale. You introduce yourself again (a good chance to get in what you might not have at the first stage). The choice of either doing another role play or a presentation on an Apple product of your choice. And then you go off and have a 1 on 1 interview with an Apple person.

3 (and sometimes 4): 1 on 1 interviews
The stages where they'll (sometimes) offer you the job if they want you. (From what I've been told) this is usually with a higher up: store manager or the field recruiter who dug your CV and invited you to the group seminar.


Different people
I'm not sure if it's a deliberate thing on Apple's part or just MY experience. But no same Apple employee's were at the different stages. So you're pretty much having to sell yourself from scratch each and every time. So you need to go into each stage like it's the very first. You can't bank on that one Apple employee you REALLY got on with at one stage, being there at another. And that when they huddle together over their MacBooks to select candidates that THAT one person will lobby for you. You need to win EVERY PERSON over so that they want to pick you to go through to the next stage and ultimately hire you.

Dress code
This may differ from country to country as I noticed from past posts that dress code was highlighted in the seminar invites. But for seminars in the UK, there isn't really a dress code for the Apple seminars / interviews. Just think of what the staff wear in the stores. As long as you have an Apple t-shirt, pretty much whatever else you wanna wear is fair game! *lol* My advice would be not to go too smart. One guy showed up in a suit and looked really, REALLY out of place. A shirt / sweater and some jeans and a pair of Converse / Plimsolls or clean trainers will do. Dress code is the least of your worries. Just wear what you'd wear day-to-day. Wear what YOU feel comfortable in. Just as long as it's not a birthday suit :p

Experience
Work experience doesn't seem 100% necessary with Apple. It obviously helps some. But it's not solely what EVERY employer goes on. Especially one like Apple who will train you on everything you need to know and program you with how Apple does things for a month before you actually hit the sales floor. A couple of the people who I went through to the second stage with had zero retail experience. But most of us in the group interview had degrees / were studying for a degree. So education may be a key angle to push if you're lacking the work experience. If it's in something creative like Graphic design, Audio, Animation - even better!

CV
The fact it could be months until somebody from Apple's recruitment department gets in touch with you doesn't help gauge how good or bad your CV is neither. Do the best you can with it and just hope for the best. Apply for other jobs with it. If you get responses from other places, you know your CV is obviously doing something right for you and that there's every chance Apple will look twice at it if other potential employers are doing the same. Chances are you could get a job and gain months of the work experience you feel you lack in the time it can take Apple to get back to you! lol

There are no rules
The crappy thing about Apple interviews (all interviews for that matter) is that there is no fail safe. No steps to guarantee you'll get through it all. Even with great places such as this forum. You will find that people go through to later stages who you never thought would. And people who you think have the job in the bag don't get it. You never know EXACTLY what Apple are looking for. So the best thing to do is just be yourself and do everything you can to help yourself. You don't have to show you know everything about Apple and their products. But you have to show you're personable and willing to learn and that you don't just want to work at Apple "Because it's a job!" One guy said this during a group interview, and I thought "Bye!". Although on second thought; he might be all up in the Apple store as a Specialist now! LOL

It goes without saying that you should obviously read up on the company. Not just Apple as a company in itself, but Apple's impact on retail in particular. The experience of an Apple store is a BIG thing that comes up often. So it might help to go into a store the day before your interview (or the very same day depending on what time it is) just so your experience of an Apple store is fresh in your mind and your thoughts of it can just roll off the tongue.

The formal questions you get asked in interviews don't push for Apple knowledge. But when you're bantering with the Apple staff, they'll often bring up something Apple retail related; and it looks good if you can offer insight that goes beyond "I love my iPhone / iPod!" (though that is a sentence you should squeeze in at some point. :p) In my second interview, everybody was just chit chatting away about how cool the stores are and us interviewees were gassing on about how much we wanted the job. It's in THESE moments where it's easy to slip and let your guard down that you need to be on the ball and really shine. Remember: everything is on the record. Something you or do off the cuff in these moments may help balance out an iffy interview. And it works both ways.

Make an impression
This is key. If you make a positive lasting impression, you'll be remembered. Even if it's something silly like cracking a joke or making people laugh during a role play. Making a good lasting impression can really save your ass if your self introduction sucked. It shows you have personality and person-ability - something everyone gravitates towards. Don't try too hard though, as this can have the opposite effect. And if testing humour isn't your thing, but you know your stuff where Apple products are concerned; kick ass with your knowledge in the role play.

I wish all of you going for jobs at Apple the best of luck, and hope you do a better job than I did. You may not wanna take my advice given I didn't get the job (which IS fair do's LOL). But I hope this helps with what to expect. I'll also need whoever gets a job at Apple as a result of my help to hook me up with some discount if they get hired :p
 
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